Pokemon Trainer (Red!) Discussion

[Rapid_Assassin]

I love how by your logic the character is either "Broken" or "total crap." The stamina is there to prevent the character from being broken without limiting the forms to make them completely comparable with each other (being equal parts competitive against the same characters, one not having distinct advantages of the other.)

Why can't the character just be "Balanced?"

It won't necessarily be "balanced" because there's no way to make 2 characters exactly equal without them being the exact same. What he was saying is that it depends on how much of an effect stamina will have on game play. If it has little to no effect, people will just find the Sheik out of the pokemon, or the counterpick for their opponent. And if one of them does in fact turn out to be as good as Sheik is in melee relative to the rest of the cast, it could be broken. Now, if stamina has a huge effect, it will force people to change from the Sheik to the Zelda of the pokemon from time to time, which could be worse than just staying as Zelda in melee.

 

[Nigguh-witta-attitude]

Wooooooooow i was laughing at the people who suggested red i was wrong

 

[Wreked]

I just though of this, will you be able to change pokemon once you're in the air. Say squirtle is falling so you want to change to charizard cause he can fly. Would you be able to?

 

[Caael]

What a punch in the face! Hoping for somebody popular, like Ridley, Dedede or Diddy, but no. We get the god**** POKEMON TRAINER! GTFO!

 

[PitIcarus]

I have a feeling Trainer is going to suck hard, but will be one of those characters that is hard to get good at so people use it for that reason.

 

[ZeldaFox38]

This is severely, truly messed up. I mean, interesting concept with the three different characters in one, but I just don't see it working out.

I sense that I have a new punching bag. :D

 

[Hejiru]

OMG, i swear I was thinking about this same idea the other day. the only difference was instead of the trainer in the background, I had him throw Pokeballs, and a random pokemon came out, following the trainer like the Ice Climbers sort of.

I didn't post it, because I thought later, "No, that's a dumb idea, they'll never do it." Apparently, I was wrong!

Cool! I'm definately going to be him. I guess its like Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Blastiose are the characters, you can just switch between them, since he dosen't actually fight.

 

[Sgt.Frog]

I said human trainers wouldn't appear (manually fighting anyway) and look now.
I stand corrected.

This is just too awesome, can't wait to take him for a spin.

 

[Bendu]

It won't necessarily be "balanced" because there's no way to make 2 characters exactly equal without them being the exact same. What he was saying is that it depends on how much of an effect stamina will have on game play. If it has little to no effect, people will just find the Sheik out of the pokemon, or the counterpick for their opponent. And if one of them does in fact turn out to be as good as Sheik is in melee relative to the rest of the cast, it could be broken. Now, if stamina has a huge effect, it will force people to change from the Sheik to the Zelda of the pokemon from time to time, which could be worse than just staying as Zelda in melee.

That's what makes the stamina balanced. Since Sheik was a really good character that many felt was broken, and Zelda was mediocre by comparison. So knowing you have to eventually switch and utilize all aspects of the character will be balanced, if done right.

Also, you seem to have completely missed my point cause I mentioned that there was no way to make the characters truly balanced unless they basically had the exact same effectiveness on every other character. Which you basically repeated in your post.

 

[SSJ4Kazuki]

simply no, that is a horrible idea.

EPIC PHAIL!

 

[Hejiru]

I think it's awesome. Think of it as a new pokemon character fighting, but you can change, like Zelda/Sheik can change.

 

[PitIcarus]

I'd rather control one good character than 3 weak characters.

 

[Jakatsu]

Look at Charizard and tell him he's weak. He's bigger than you, thus wins. :D

 

[Kashimaru]

And who says that they are weak characters? huh?

CharizardFTW!

 

[PitIcarus]

And who says that they are weak characters? huh?

CharizardFTW!

Well considering it says that when you play with trainer, it rotates in all 3 pokemon.

So naturally each pokemon has to be 1/3 as powerful. Logic for the win.

 

[Red_Maniac]

I want to see DainBramaged's reaction.

Waluigi, Mii and Blaziken CONFIRMED!!

 

[Kashimaru]

Not necesarily, i.e. Sheik/Zelda

 

[PitIcarus]

Not necesarily, i.e. Sheik/Zelda

sheik is just a transformation. Do you not understand how trainer works? You knock out squirtle, then you knock out bulbasaur, then you knock out charizard.

 

[Hejiru]

I wonder if Charizard will still be in a pokeball, now he's kind of a character.

 

[Chibirobo]

WHAT. THE. F*CK. This is what ran through my mind when I saw that. I never,NEVER thought Pokemon Trainer would get in(and neither did anyone else),but with these three pokemon,it truly looks awesome!


Also,between this and the Asssist Trophies my character predictions are now screwed up beyond repair....

 

[PitIcarus]

I wonder if Charizard will still be in a pokeball, now he's kind of a character.

You are referring to ASH's charizard. This isn't Ash's charizard. This is trainer from the games, not Ash from the anime.

 

[Red_Maniac]

sheik is just a transformation. Do you not understand how trainer works? You knock out squirtle, then you knock out bulbasaur, then you knock out charizard.

No, you switch them out using Down B.

 

[Wreked]

I was thinking of that too hejiru, I don't know probaly not but i'm sure another fire pokemon would replace his flamethrower. Maybe Blaziken?

 

[SmashWhammy]

One question, what if on of Red's Pokemon is turned into a mid fight snack by Kirby or Yoshi

 

[NeoSoul]

charizard in the game= ridley in the game......


confirmed!

 

[Chidosengan]

HOLY JESUS CHRIST! ASH (Red) MADE IT!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

 

[PitIcarus]

No, you switch them out using Down B.

Ok I failed to see the part that they share the same damage meter.

Which in itself sounds kind of dumb, but the only way to make it practical I guess.

 

[yogho]

HOLY JESUS CHRIST! ASH (Red) MADE IT!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

I'm just as suprised as you are.

 

[PitIcarus]

Trainer =/= Ash.

 

[smasher32]

irony to the 10th degree

although, the trainer is pretty awesome imo

 

[Chidosengan]

Trainer =/= Ash.

But he is based on Red, and Ash is based on Red.

So it's almost like Trainer = Ash.

Plus it really looks like Ash!

Just glad he isn't really doing any real fighting.

 

[SmashWhammy]

You are referring to ASH's charizard. This isn't Ash's charizard. This is trainer from the games, not Ash from the anime.

No, was one of the pokemon in a :item9: in the last two SSB games, so what the question is asking is, will a new pokemon replace in the :item9:?

 

[Bendu]

Trainer =/= Ash.

In many cases the trainer from the original games has been reinforced as Ash in subsequent games. The remake/special edition of the original games (Yellow) was based on the anime and featured the generic character name "Ash" instead of "Red" (Red being accepted as the generic name for the Red/Blue protagonist, with Blue being the rival.) Also, in Gold/Silver at the end of the game the final fight is with the original R/B trainer, who goes by the name "Red" and uses all three starters along with Pikachu. Sounds like he's heavily based on Ash to me.

Red and Ash are basically different names for one character. And the Pokemon Trainer is modeled after Red.

 

[Lauf]

Ok I failed to see the part that they share the same damage meter.

Which in itself sounds kind of dumb, but the only way to make it practical I guess.

And including the stamina bar shows that Sakurai is serious about keeping the game in balance

 

[Chidosengan]

Guys, go look at page 19...

OMG I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!

 

[Wreked]

I'm just going to call this new character ash. He looks like ash. Or i'll call him PT for short.

On topic do you guys think there will be a female PT. Not as a new character but as a costume change. I think that it would be cool if she had different pokemon like the three starters form fourth generation.

Probaly Empleon, Grotle, and Chimcar. Or something of that order.

 

[tirkaro]

Guys, go look at page 19...

OMG I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!

page 19 has a funnier effect if you read the entire thread, and see them all get owned

 

[PSIguy89]

wow i laughed so hard when i saw todays update.....first off hes looks to be pretty fun and second off i laugh at all the people who completly bashed Red from the start ^^ HES IN!!!!! (or atleast his pokemon)

 

[Bendu]

I'm just going to call this new character ash. He looks like ash. Or i'll call him PT for short.

On topic do you guys think there will be a female PT. Not as a new character but as a costume change. I think that it would be cool if she had different pokemon like the three starters form fourth generation.

Probaly Empleon, Grotle, and Chimcar. Or something of that order.

If the Pokemon were to change with the costume, I'm almost positive that the evolution choices would stay the same for the types. Meaning that it would probably be Piplup, Grotle, and Infernape. Which is better because Chimchar is totally lame, while Infernape is awesome, and Empoleon is pretty lame, and Piplup isn't.

But I doubt they'd do that unless they were going to include all 4 sets of starters (I would be completely in love with this game if they did that.) And I find that highly unlikely.

 

[Chidosengan]

I'm just going to call this new character ash. He looks like ash. Or i'll call him PT for short.

On topic do you guys think there will be a female PT. Not as a new character but as a costume change. I think that it would be cool if she had different pokemon like the three starters form fourth generation.

Probaly Empleon, Grotle, and Chimcar. Or something of that order.

Just call him Ash. I mean he looks so much like him, not to mention Red, who Ash was based on.

I mean look at tirkaro's Sig.