PM Wolf Social thread

[Samuch]

I play Samus as my main, and she's the one, but Wolf is my lover on the side. I picked him up because I love his balls to the wall gameplay. I probably SD more than I get killed though. I don't care. I just respawn, howl, and go back to suffocating the opponent with my wolf sac.

 

[airpirate545]

Decided to main Wolf after messing around with him a bit in 3.5. I never played Melee competitively, so I'm pretty new to playing spacies. I'm trying to get my shine game started up; how do players throw it out and act out of it so quickly? I seem to get stuck in the animation whenever I try to do some things I've seen on stream. Any other tips you guys would have for a Wolf pack newb? Also is the Skype group active at all?

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

Decided to main Wolf after messing around with him a bit in 3.5. I never played Melee competitively, so I'm pretty new to playing spacies. I'm trying to get my shine game started up; how do players throw it out and act out of it so quickly? I seem to get stuck in the animation whenever I try to do some things I've seen on stream. Any other tips you guys would have for a Wolf pack newb? Also is the Skype group active at all?

Wave Dash out of Shine just Practice and you will get better its pretty easy TBH but I main Spacies in Melee so that helps me lol

 

[Crome]

What's a good way to practice ledge sweet spotting? I'm very bad with spacie recovery.

 

[Kitanamonk]

What's a good way to practice ledge sweet spotting? I'm very bad with spacie recovery.

There are plenty of different ways of getting the sweet-spot. With side-B, get used to angling the control stick up or down in order to sweet-spot on the fly and to trick the opponent into thinking that you will side-B on stage. Alternatively if you can consistently shorten the side-B, use the shorten to juke the opponent and sweet-spot when they would read the stage recovery.

With up-B you can aim downwards towards the ledge from above, and while in the up-B animation rest the analog stick in the neutral position to automatically grab the ledge from any distance. You can also use double jump to put yourself perpendicular with the ledge to easily up-B sweet-spot, this leaves the option to recover on stage if you see them about to grab ledge. Another trick to learn is the many up-B angles. When close to the stage wall you can almost always sweet-spot using the slightly tilted upward angle towards the stage.

Those are really just tricks though, to learn how to sweet-spot confidently is just about dedicated practice to learn the exact distance. Try going to FD, dropping straight down from ledge and up-B'ing, continuously until you get the distance down, then do it from the 45-degree angle.

On the subject of recovering, I currently don't use shine-stalling at all, and I am not sure where it is useful. Does anyone have any tips on this?

 

[Crome]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQjVxAijQSs&t=5m20s

how did chillin do this?

 

[Third]

When you shorten Flash on a slope, it gives you a moonwalk when you land.

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

Whats a good way to pressure someones shield and could Double Shines work?

 

[ViewtifulHoe242]

awooooooooh!
Wow not a single post here since the 29th? Shame upon this wolf pack, a damn shame.

 

[Ogopogo]

Well, it could be worse :s I remember someone saying that Wolf's shine not immediately stalling his momentum helping his recovery but I can't remember anything else about what he said, or what he said.

 

[Kitanamonk]

Well, it could be worse :s I remember someone saying that Wolf's shine not immediately stalling his momentum helping his recovery but I can't remember anything else about what he said, or what he said.

Chillin mentioned this in his latest wolf vid, but I havn't noticed a difference. For those who don't know, apparently when wolf is hit off the stage at high percent, shining before jumping sort of... reverses the momentum? I'll do some tests but its really hard to tell

 

[Ogopogo]

Chillin mentioned this in his latest wolf vid, but I havn't noticed a difference. For those who don't know, apparently when wolf is hit off the stage at high percent, shining before jumping sort of... reverses the momentum? I'll do some tests but its really hard to tell

Yeah! That was it. I'll have to try that out later. Thanks.

 

[Crome]

Chillin mentioned this in his latest wolf vid, but I havn't noticed a difference. For those who don't know, apparently when wolf is hit off the stage at high percent, shining before jumping sort of... reverses the momentum? I'll do some tests but its really hard to tell

Source on the vid?

 

[Ogopogo]

Source on the vid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZZTQmnty-I

 

[Kitanamonk]

I did some testing, but couldn't find any difference, weird because when my friend tried to play wolf he would always shine when trying to get back thinking it helped him.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

We are starting a campaign to get Sakurai to make Wolf a DLC character so he can be playable in Super Smash Bros for Wii U and Super Smash Bros for 3DS. Wolf was a Brawl veteran from the Starfox series, he had a unique moveset, and was a well balanced character who had really bad*** taunts. However he did not make the initial cut for Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS. However DLC is possible, but to our current knowledge, Sakurai is hesitant to do more DLC. You don't hesitate, just act. We are here to act, and to get our veteran playable again.

^In Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS, Wolf has been reduced to a trophy of himself from Starfox Assault, has three renditions of his theme in the game, Fox has a custom move blatantly named Wolf Flash, Wolf's side special, but perhaps the worst of all is appearing in the Lylat Cruise codecs, He appeared in them back in brawl, and in one of them was hinted at being playable. "Boy those two are always itching to fight huh.",Slippy referencing that Wolf and Falco are unlockable characters. However in this game that same codec is still there, yet Wolf is not playable in the game,but Falco is, and still an unlockable character, to make matters worse, Wolf has been stripped of his highly detailed brawl model, and replaced with a much less detailed model, which to some looks hideous. In a way its like he's being mocked for not being playable. Wolf does not deserve this, he is a villain/antihero and a very iconic Nintendo character, best know for his bad*** one liners like "Can't Let you do that Starfox" Wolf is also reported to appear in the new Starfox game for Wii U, making him a relevant character. Smash games usually span 6 years before a new entry is released. Wolf should not have to be stuck like this for 6 years or more, when he can be added to Super Smash Bros for Wii U and Super Smash Bros for 3DS as DLC. Paying to have Wolf playable, is better than having no Wolf playable.

^This is what Wolf looked like back in Brawl, you can see how much more detailed he is than the Wolf currently in Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS. We must restore him to his former glory, DLC can do that, but we must convince Sakurai to commit to Wolf DLC, if he secretly isn't doing it already. We only require your support, simply tell us you support our cause, and your name will be added to the supporters list. Also convince others to request Wolf for DLC. There is strength in numbers.Any additional support, ranging from making videos, pictures, and other forms of entertainment that are geared towards achieving more support to have Wolf be playable in Super Smash Bros Wii U and Super Smash Bros for 3DS as DLC is greatly appreciated. We must start this campaign now, its purpose, To persuade Sakurai to make Wolf DLC, or if Sakurai already is making Wolf DLC, this is to show our support and appreciation for doing so.




Wolf's supporters. WOLF FOR DLC
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PM Wolf is a beast

 

[True Blue Warrior]

What's up.

 

[Kerfuffle]

Need serious help with the marth and Roy matchups. I can't deal with the spacing, especially when I'm trying to go in. Once I get a hold of Roy he's as good as dead, but its that first hit that I have trouble landing. Especially seeing Roys CC'd dtilt is so devastating to wolf, my only approach options are nair or dair mixed in with lasers. It gets predictable after a while. any advice from the wolf pack?

 

[Taytertot]

Need serious help with the marth and Roy matchups. I can't deal with the spacing, especially when I'm trying to go in. Once I get a hold of Roy he's as good as dead, but its that first hit that I have trouble landing. Especially seeing Roys CC'd dtilt is so devastating to wolf, my only approach options are nair or dair mixed in with lasers. It gets predictable after a while. any advice from the wolf pack?

Im just beginning to learn wolf so i dont know what he should do specifically but my main is roy so maybe my insight into roy will help you come up with some options.

Roy has a great combo game, but also gets comboed easily
Roy has an awesome CC dtilt but is very weak to CCing from others (something to note is that while roy is a fast faller he is also light weight so CCing should only be effective for him up to 40ish% at most other then wolfs nair which has little KB)
Roy plays very aggressively but doesnt have a lot of safe pressure options from neutral so he relies on punishes and sectioning off space to force you into a bad position so that your forced to be reckless, which will allow for a punish situation. Otherwise roy has to kinda dash dance around and bait out something to punish. If you can get the roy to be reckless or over-commit is some way then avoid it and punish (almost everything roy has isnt safe on shield, though you'll have trouble punishing tipper ftilt, tipper dtilt or tipper fair OoS, but they arent fast enough on the end lag for roy to put on good shield pressure so you can wavedash back OoS to reset to neutral).
Roy's dtilt combos into just about roy's entire moveset if it connects so watch out for it (at low percents a roy can CC another roy's dtilt so maybe wolf can CC roy's dtilt at low percents btw.)

Let me know if theres anything else about roy that you want to know.

 

[Taytertot]

Is it just me or is wolf's dtilt under-utilized? I find that it comboes pretty well. Also im curious is it a smart option to use sideB to tech chase someone whos landed on a platform from a ways away? I was playing on dreamland and was SH sideBing the CPU when I'd hit him onto the platform on the opposite side from me.

 

[Kitanamonk]

Is it just me or is wolf's dtilt under-utilized? I find that it comboes pretty well. Also im curious is it a smart option to use sideB to tech chase someone whos landed on a platform from a ways away? I was playing on dreamland and was SH sideBing the CPU when I'd hit him onto the platform on the opposite side from me.

I like D-tilt but it has many weaknesses. Firstly it gets easily beaten by crouch-cancelling, secondly it's not very safe as it extends Wolf's hurtbox very far, meaning it can be shield grabbed if the opponent is quick. It's also slower than the other good D-tilts like Marth's. However, with that said D-tilt is one of the secret moves that lead into Side-B, if not DI'd. Generally if DI'd properly the only follow up is up-air, and in mid combo there is almost always a better combo option than D-tilt, up-tilt if they are close, dash attack if too far, grab if they are somewhere in between.

On the Side-B point. Yes its a viable platform tech-chase option but only for really hard reads. There are some benefits in that you can platform-cancel the flash. Best options to cover are tech away or a missed-tech. Really though its risky.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

We are starting a campaign to get Sakurai to make Wolf a DLC character so he can be playable in Super Smash Bros for Wii U and Super Smash Bros for 3DS. Wolf was a Brawl veteran from the Starfox series, he had a unique moveset, and was a well balanced character who had really bad*** taunts. However he did not make the initial cut for Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS. However DLC is possible, but to our current knowledge, Sakurai is hesitant to do more DLC. You don't hesitate, just act. We are here to act, and to get our veteran playable again.

^In Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS, Wolf has been reduced to a trophy of himself from Starfox Assault, has three renditions of his theme in the game, Fox has a custom move blatantly named Wolf Flash, Wolf's side special, but perhaps the worst of all is appearing in the Lylat Cruise codecs, He appeared in them back in brawl, and in one of them was hinted at being playable. "Boy those two are always itching to fight huh.",Slippy referencing that Wolf and Falco are unlockable characters. However in this game that same codec is still there, yet Wolf is not playable in the game,but Falco is, and still an unlockable character, to make matters worse, Wolf has been stripped of his highly detailed brawl model, and replaced with a much less detailed model, which to some looks hideous. In a way its like he's being mocked for not being playable. Wolf does not deserve this, he is a villain/antihero and a very iconic Nintendo character, best know for his bad*** one liners like "Can't Let you do that Starfox" Wolf is also reported to appear in the new Starfox game for Wii U, making him a relevant character. Smash games usually span 6 years before a new entry is released. Wolf should not have to be stuck like this for 6 years or more, when he can be added to Super Smash Bros for Wii U and Super Smash Bros for 3DS as DLC. Paying to have Wolf playable, is better than having no Wolf playable.

^This is what Wolf looked like back in Brawl, you can see how much more detailed he is than the Wolf currently in Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS. We must restore him to his former glory, DLC can do that, but we must convince Sakurai to commit to Wolf DLC, if he secretly isn't doing it already. We only require your support, simply tell us you support our cause, and your name will be added to the supporters list. Also convince others to request Wolf for DLC. There is strength in numbers.Any additional support, ranging from making videos, pictures, and other forms of entertainment that are geared towards achieving more support to have Wolf be playable in Super Smash Bros Wii U and Super Smash Bros for 3DS as DLC is greatly appreciated. We must start this campaign now, its purpose, To persuade Sakurai to make Wolf DLC, or if Sakurai already is making Wolf DLC, this is to show our support and appreciation for doing so.




Wolf's supporters. WOLF FOR DLC
1. @ [Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]
2. @DoodleDuck97
3. @Xzsmmc
4. @mark welford
5. @Critzilean
6. @ProjectAngel
7. @CamZilla94
8. @eltacoenojado
9. @ Crome
10. @Lilfut
11. @TheDarkKnightNoivern
12. @Star-Lord
13. @Gene
14. @Strider_Bond00J
15. @Kikwi-Kiwi
16. @Cpt.
17. @ True Blue Warrior
18. @CliffJumper
19. @0ShadowStories
20. @Brawler610
21. @King Donkey Kong
22. @Yetiplays
23. @SmashBroski
24. @NonSpecificGuy
25. @BandanaWaddleDee
26. @HotNTasty
27. @NATGamer
28. @SmashingObjection
29. @Ffamran
30. @Ben Holt
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33. @Skyward
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35. @SpeedBoost
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PM Wolf is a beast

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How different does the latest project M Wolf play from Brawl Wolf?

 

[BearFist]

Completely different. He's like a melee spacie in pm. In brawl as far as I know he was kind of a spacing character that used a lot of bairs and fsmashes. In PM he has a fierce combo game, an amazing projectile, has all of the amazing melee shine options which lets him shield pressure something fierce, and is incredibly fun to play. He's super high risk high reward like the other spacies because he gets punished hard and dies fast, but his shield pressure game is almost unmatched.

As an example of how amazing he is in pm, his side b is a very viable kill option that hits the enemy away with a ton of knockback. It's even better because a lot of his moves often set up the other guy to be perfectly hit with it depending on DI, so it's completely realistic to combo somebody for 50% and finish it off with a flash kill. It's amazing.

 

[ForgottenLabRat]

Im having trouble doing short hop Air Dodge canceled lasers, could someone help me out. Currently I am jumping, pressing b as soon as possible, then immediately hitting down (any later and I'll fast fall and won't be able to ADC and earlier will result in a down b), then air dodge into the ground to cancel it. It is powerful outcome, but the inputs are hard to do consistently. Is there a better way of doing this?

 

[BearFist]

No. Keep doing it. Practice until you can do it consistently. That's the only way to get good at it.

 

[TimeMuffinPhD]

Now there's over 1790 supporters on this list.
How different does the latest project M Wolf play from Brawl Wolf?

How can I get in on this list?

 

[TimeMuffinPhD]

Im having trouble doing short hop Air Dodge canceled lasers, could someone help me out. Currently I am jumping, pressing b as soon as possible, then immediately hitting down (any later and I'll fast fall and won't be able to ADC and earlier will result in a down b), then air dodge into the ground to cancel it. It is powerful outcome, but the inputs are hard to do consistently. Is there a better way of doing this?

For future reference they're known as Waveland lasers, abbreviated as "WL". Just a faster way of what you were saying, and slightly more accurate.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

How can I get in on this list?

Just support Wolf in some way shape or form, and your on the list. Just added you.

 

[Heero Yuy]

I learned today I have some talent with Wolf thanks to my Melee spacie skills. Just want a quick answer what his matchup spread looks like and which characters I should be weary of IF I use him.

 

[Taytertot]

I learned today I have some talent with Wolf thanks to my Melee spacie skills. Just want a quick answer what his matchup spread looks like and which characters I should be weary of IF I use him.

Im uncertain of his MU spread or if there is a defined spread for wolf at all. I can however link a video of what seems to be a rough MU though it may be just due to the way chillindude plays, but i find that hard to believe considering his long and successful melee history as well as being one of the best wolf players out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiCBLMeoius

 

[TimeMuffinPhD]

Im uncertain of his MU spread or if there is a defined spread for wolf at all. I can however link a video of what seems to be a rough MU though it may be just due to the way chillindude plays, but i find that hard to believe considering his long and successful melee history as well as being one of the best wolf players out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiCBLMeoius

I don't think Chillin was prepared for Esam at all. I don't think he played particularly well either, also note that this was awhile ago and is not the current patch. I've never played the Samus matchup, however I think it would be even thinking about it from a theoretical POV.

 

[Taytertot]

You might be right about that. I agree that it feels like itd be even, but i dont know for sure. Do you think that that match would have gone much differently with the 3.5 changes though (not considering that chillin wasnt prepared)?

 

[TimeMuffinPhD]

You might be right about that. I agree that it feels like itd be even, but i dont know for sure. Do you think that that match would have gone much differently with the 3.5 changes though (not considering that chillin wasnt prepared)?

Probably not, I think the circumstances are the most important thing to focus on here however. It's just good to note that the patch is different.

 

[Kitanamonk]

I learned today I have some talent with Wolf thanks to my Melee spacie skills. Just want a quick answer what his matchup spread looks like and which characters I should be weary of IF I use him.

Any Wolf who has played a good falco knows how hard that matchup is. Falco has the better lasers (in this matchup at least, although I prefer Wolf's overall), better pressure, equal combo potential, and much better zoning/Anti-air moves like Up-tilt, F-tilt, D-air, N-air, and B-air. This match-up just shows how much Wolf suffers from a lack of a strong zoning aerial, and comparatively weak pressure. Not un-winnable but you have to out-play them considerably in the neutral to beat the stage control Falco has.

 

[TimeMuffinPhD]

Any Wolf who has played a good falco knows how hard that matchup is. Falco has the better lasers (in this matchup at least, although I prefer Wolf's overall), better pressure, equal combo potential, and much better zoning/Anti-air moves like Up-tilt, F-tilt, D-air, N-air, and B-air. This match-up just shows how much Wolf suffers from a lack of a strong zoning aerial, and comparatively weak pressure. Not un-winnable but you have to out-play them considerably in the neutral to beat the stage control Falco has.

While I do agree that this matchup can be quite troublesome, Wolf has some really good gimps on Falco. Waveshine to f-smash can carry him out the stage which can lead to a d-air. Even just throwing him off-stage can help net a kill for Wolf since Falco's recovery is so bad.

 

[Gunslinger]

I learned today I have some talent with Wolf thanks to my Melee spacie skills. Just want a quick answer what his matchup spread looks like and which characters I should be weary of IF I use him.

I'd say Wolf has troubles with floaties if he has any bad matchups at all. Also anyone that has a good CC is a pain to deal with. If you play spacies in Melee you know how much of a glass cannon they are, Wolf is no different (and his shine is susceptible to CC so be weary of that at lower percents). Don't approach with dash attack all the time, make sure you space your Wolf Flash only when it'll hit, and be extra campy with lasers/DDing. You can zero to death the entire cast at the expense of them doing the same to you, don't play like you're invincible, play safe, smart, and efficient. Do that and you will be able to cover any weak matchups Wolf might have (I'd say Yoshi, Falco, Puff, Sonic, and Bowser are all difficult).

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

How do you shorten a side-b? I'm having trouble with it. Any advice would be awesome, thanks!

 

[TimeMuffinPhD]

How do you shorten a side-b? I'm having trouble with it. Any advice would be awesome, thanks!

It's a 1 frame window and not a 3 frame btw.

 

[Sur Fartsalot]

I watched your video, and for all the shortens you tell me to press B within three frames (or one frame). So how do control the shortens? Because if I press within as fast as posssible, sometimes I don't get the intended result.
P.S. How do you determine frames in PM?

 

[Taytertot]

PM plays at 60 frames per second meaning that every second 60 frames go by.