PM Arts and Alts Thread

[Sour Supreme]

Yeah it's actually very well done.

http://kc-mm.com/2014/07/13/wait-is-it/

It would be kind of cool to see the forearms be Wii Remotes instead of just plain metal haha

WELL YOU DONT MAKE THE RULES DO YOU TIME SMASH.

jk that would be cool happy easter bust some chops.

 

[TimeSmash]

WELL YOU DONT MAKE THE RULES DO YOU TIME SMASH.

jk that would be cool happy easter bust some chops.

TIMESMASH IS ONE WORD AND YOU ARE ALL TERRIBLE FOR DOING THAT

Haha, it really is one word though

 

[Exodo]

ill just drop this by again:

Spoiler

such and epic choice for a Roy alt isn't it? it would follow the pattern of the FE reps cosplaying other Lords. Marth=Sigurd Ike=Hector Roy=Leif?

 

[TRJV]

Gamecube ROB should be a thing.

Also Wii Rob

Also Virtual Boy Rob.

 

[ConDeeCas]

Also Virtual Boy Rob.

Alt doesn't have a R.O.B. Privilege your check.

 

[Nefnoj]

TIMESMASH IS ONE WORD AND YOU ARE ALL TERRIBLE FOR DOING THAT

Haha, it really is one word though

HEY TIMESMASH

TIME

SMASH
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!

I was just joking I hope I didn't hurt your feelings I'll buy you chocolate.

 

[ThePlacidPlatypus]

Here's a minor gripe that I have with the stage select screen in regards to ASL. I noticed that while the icons up top do show the picture of the alt stage (which is great) it doesn't show the name of the alt stage. This doesn't seem like as long as it's not impossible for some odd reason. Maybe make the font for the alt stage smaller or something.

 

[FMArthur]

Are capes and other drapeable pieces possible to add to Captain Falcon? It'd be cool to be able to do his disguise from F-Zero GX or downright awesome to get his alter-ego (or descendent) from the future, Phoenix. Maybe they could be not-weird as stiff model pieces if they were adjusted to be more like a short mantle.

 

[Sour Supreme]

Are capes and other drapeable pieces possible to add to Captain Falcon? It'd be cool to be able to do his disguise from F-Zero GX or downright awesome to get his alter-ego (or descendent) from the future, Phoenix. Maybe they could be not-weird as stiff model pieces if they were adjusted to be more like a short mantle.

No. Something about bones. Something about integrity. My boi @ Shin F. can probably elaborate.

 

[Shin F.]

No. Something about bones. Something about integrity. My boi @ Shin F. can probably elaborate.

I could, but you've already pretty much said everything that needs to be said.

 

[Sour Supreme]

I could, but you've already pretty much said everything that needs to be said.

I try, Shinny.

 

[BronzeGreekGod]

so question, are there gona be regular weekly art updates? Like Art sunday? or tuesday?

 

[Sour Supreme]

so question, are there gona be regular weekly art updates? Like Art sunday? or tuesday?

I honestly doubt it.

 

[NinfanNanz]

I honestly doubt it too. With the Project M 3.6 trailer being released, it can be assumed that we are close to release date, so there is no need since we are going to get the game shortly and find out ourselves.

 

[BronzeGreekGod]

I feel like the release is close, but not thatt close. And i also feel like they have a few other things up their sleeves for us.. but thats just a hunch lol
I suppose we shall see soon enough!

 

[Shin F.]

Didn't Nano say they have nothing else (at least art-related) planned for 3.6?

 

[BronzeGreekGod]

Oh did he? I know he said something along those lines, but im not sure if it meant whatever was in the trailer is the only new stuff. Even if there isnt more art, i feel like theres more stuff we dont know about yet.

 

[Xermo]

Nano's said on more than one occasion that this was just supposed to be a balance / touch-up patch. What we got in the trailer / reddit post showcased near-everything we're to expect.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It's been a while since I posted here. Has Toon Link's Conductor Outfit been confirmed?

 

[ThePlacidPlatypus]

Oh did he? I know he said something along those lines, but im not sure if it meant whatever was in the trailer is the only new stuff. Even if there isnt more art, i feel like theres more stuff we dont know about yet.

Well we specifically know that there are no more costumes or characters. There might be some ASL stages we don't know about, but that's probably it.

 

[Nefnoj]

It's been a while since I posted here. Has Toon Link's Conductor Outfit been confirmed?

Nope... But I wish I could say otherwise.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Nope... But I wish I could say otherwise.

Don't worry, mate. I wish I could've read otherwise as well.

But seriously, WHY IS IT NOT IN PROJECT M?! Sure, Spirit Tracks wasn't the best Zelda game, but that outfit.....

 

[Nefnoj]

Don't worry, mate. I wish I could've read otherwise as well.

But seriously, WHY IS IT NOT IN PROJECT M?! Sure, Spirit Tracks wasn't the best Zelda game, but that outfit.....

Definitely, especially that cap and the sword he had.

Something that I would love to see that they would probably never do is give the purple, red, and blue Toon Link the Four Sword, though I recall Nanodads saying something to the effect that the team colours will never have a different model or whatever. It'd also be neat if Dark Link's shield and sword were more Lorule inspired: The Triforce could be upside down, and maybe the sword could be the deactivated Master Sword from Wind Waker or whatever.

In my build, the Master sword's blade is darker, the blue bits are purple, and the jewel is red, same with the sheath. I also have the shield use the Majora's Mask rather than the Triforce.

 

[Comeback Kid]

This thread is filled with too many requests as is but something I would like @Nanobuds and the art team to think about hopefully in the future.

The new Bowser emblem and theme make perfect sense for him when you consider that he is NOT a member of the Mushroom Kingdom and has his own empire with its own logo. For other villains like Ganondorf (Triforce emblem) or Dedede (Popstar emblem) those are more general symbols which still represent those characters and series at once.

But what about Wolf? He isn't a member of Team Star Fox so the emblem and victory theme don't represent him as a character at all. If only there were a Team Star Wolf symbol like Fox has on his belt.......

<------ Right here

So a symbol does exist that represents Team Star Wolf! Plus with the fact Wolf has his own classic theme too I think he deserves the Bowser treatment while no other character does.

 

[ThePlacidPlatypus]

This thread is filled with too many requests as is but something I would like @Nanobuds and the art team to think about hopefully in the future.

The new Bowser emblem and theme make perfect sense for him when you consider that he is NOT a member of the Mushroom Kingdom and has his own empire with its own logo. For other villains like Ganondorf (Triforce emblem) or Dedede (Popstar emblem) those are more general symbols which still represent those characters.

But what about Wolf? He isn't a member of Team Star Fox so the emblem and victory theme don't represent him as a character at all. If only there were a Team Star Wolf symbol like Fox has on his belt.......

<------ Right here

So a symbol does exist that represents Team Star Wolf! Plus with the fact Wolf has his own classic theme too I think he deserves the Bowser treatment while no other character does.

The symbols are just meant to represent series, so I'm fine with Wolf and the other villains keeping their emblems. It wasn't necessary for Bowser to get his own either.

 

[CBO0tz]

I personally feel like they shouldn't make the old versions of HD stages their ASLs. It seems like a waste of slots, and it seems un-uniform if some maps have old versions of the stages while others have completely new stages.

Not to mention, who's going to miss a stage with graphics made for the N64 when we have nice 3D stages?

I think there should just be new stages entirely, or at least take the slot of the old maps, keep the stage layout, and create a whole new area the stage happens at.

 

[Xermo]

I personally feel like they shouldn't make the old versions of HD stages their ASLs. It seems like a waste of slots, and it seems un-uniform if some maps have old versions of the stages while others have completely new stages.

It's not wasting slots if they're literally adding in more stages. Plus, the ASL isn't limited to just one more additional slot. It can accompany up to 26 I believe (one for each letter in the alphabet).
I'm not seeing the un-uniformity. If anything, it's more uniform to allow the remastered stages to get the older designs. Also, which stages are getting "completely new" slots, exactly?

Not to mention, who's going to miss a stage with graphics made for the N64 when we have nice 3D stages?

Plenty of people (myself not included). The stage may look fresh and new, but people are used to the way the old stages looked and functioned.

 

[Llama Juice]

Not to mention, who's going to miss a stage with graphics made for the N64 when we have nice 3D stages?

For the official build it makes sense to me to include the original stage as the alt. The only way that an alt is selected is by deliberately selecting it, so it's not like it messes up your random stage selections. It allows us to have the same music for both stages while basically making it very easy for fans to replace the alt with something else if they please. (Or putting the new "HD" version in the alt's slot while putting whatever they want in the main slot.)

Another thing, is that it's just neat to be able to flip back and forth between new and old art. In the Halo 1 and Halo 2 remasters on Xbox you can press the "Back" button on the controller to flip between graphics at any time and see how far we've come over the past XX years. We can't be THAT dynamic with our flipping back and forth, but it is still pretty neat to be able to play on an old stage, then replay the same match on the new graphics or vice versa.

I made two of the HD remakes, and at first I didn't understand keeping the N64 graphics in the game either, but some people are very passionate about wanting to keep those stages in, and we found a way to do so without taking up any extra "real" slots. Basically, we're giving the fans options. Go wild with it.

 

[Rᴏb]

Not to mention, who's going to miss a stage with graphics made for the N64 when we have nice 3D stages?

Me.
The original stages are infinitely more interesting to me because they show off the contrast between the new and old Smash Bros. graphics; I think that's kinda cool. They're also what I grew up with, so I just have a natural preference for them.

 

[CBO0tz]

It's not wasting slots if they're literally adding in more stages. Plus, the ASL isn't limited to just one more additional slot. It can accompany up to 26 I believe (one for each letter in the alphabet).
I'm not seeing the un-uniformity. If anything, it's more uniform to allow the remastered stages to get the older designs. Also, which stages are getting "completely new" slots, exactly?

Wait, so if you wanted, you could choose up to 26 Alternate stages in a single Stage selection?

The un-uniformity that I was seeing was that there was all the Classic Stages, and then there Delfino Secret and Delfino Plaza. They're different stages, unlike the HD stages which it's ASLs are the same stage. The classic stages seemed a bit redundant in comparison to the opportunity of making a new stage.

As a fan of Halo, I can relate to the feeling of nostalgia when playing Halo Anniversary too, so I totally understand why some people would be against the idea of getting rid of the old stages, but I was thinking the idea of newer stages would outweigh the nostalgia.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Wait, so if you wanted, you could choose up to 26 Alternate stages in a single Stage selection?

If the PMDT is commited enough, there could be one alternate for each stage, giving 42 alternates.

Also, I'm assuming pre-3.5 Metal Cavern is one of those. Am I correct?

 

[Shin F.]

If the PMDT is commited enough, there could be one alternate for each stage, giving 42 alternates.

Also, I'm assuming pre-3.5 Metal Cavern is one of those. Am I correct?

Like Xermo said, there could be up to 26 per stage. 42 stages x 26 variants each is 1,092 in total. In short, there's never a reason to worry about them running out of stage slots. Ever.

 

[ThePlacidPlatypus]

There's plenty of room for alt stages and I doubt that they'll even all be filled, at least not for some time. So I don't think that it's a waste.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Like Xermo said, there could be up to 26 per stage. 42 stages x 26 variants each is 1,092 in total. In short, there's never a reason to worry about them running out of stage slots. Ever.

26 per stage? Oh my god, my mind just exploded because of the possibilities, but I think there will only be a limited number for hackless builds, unless the PMDT finds a way to use it on bigger SD cards....

 

[Shin F.]

26 per stage? Oh my god, my mind just exploded because of the possibilities, but I think there will only be a limited number for hackless builds, unless the PMDT finds a way to use it on bigger SD cards....

Well, I mean, you'd obviously never be able to fill every slot because of how much effort it would take to make that many stages, but you'd be surprised how little space stages take up. Most are 3-5 mb I think. That's probably not small enough to fit over 1000 stages plus all the costume and music changes even if you did want to put in that much work, but you could easily fit a few hundred if you were so inclined. I've done so in my own Brawl builds before. I once made a Project M build with a total of 157 alt stages. All together, the stages were only 320 mb. Not even a quarter of a gb.

Not that we should expect that, since it would be an awful lot of work for them to do, but it's technically possible.

 

[Nefnoj]

I'm still waiting for my Kingsonnn Dededoo alt.

One more slot, Project M. You know you should do it.
I also wouldn't mind Tock Knock's Quickdraw Dedede but whatevs.

 

[Comeback Kid]

I know this is still unofficial and all, but a big reason for having the retro stages in the game is so the retro costumes from the April Fool's trailer have nice stages to battle on that they feel at home in without the weird contrast between the highly detailed stages and the low polygon aesthetic.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I'm still waiting for my Kingsonnn Dededoo alt.

One more slot, Project M. You know you should do it.
I also wouldn't mind Tock Knock's Quickdraw Dedede but whatevs.

"I'm Here to clean your clock"

also I didn't know we were getting 26 per stage! that's awesome!

 

[Mansta]

I just remembered that I made a Lorule version of the Hyrule Castle stage, definitely replacing the alt with it. The alt system seems like a perfect fit for the stage.

EDIT: Castle, not temple lol, doesn't mean I can't make one for Hyrule Temple if people want it.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

"I'm Here to clean your clock"

also I didn't know we were getting 26 per stage! that's awesome!

We're not, I think the PMDT is only doing 1 alternate per stage. 26 is the max number they could per stage though.