PM Arts and Alts Thread

[ArtfulHobbes]

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Yeah this sounds like a great idea! Of course it would require new animations for the pummel and all the throws so it would be quite the project, but it would be great to see more canon animations for characters.

Kinda like Ganon. And now we love Ganon even more.

 

[ArtfulHobbes]

it should look like this

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Yeah this sounds like a great idea! Of course it would require new animations for the pummel and all the throws so it would be quite the project, but it would be great to see more canon animations for characters.

Kinda like Ganon. And now we love Ganon even more.

 

[Draco_The]

Honestly, this bothers me more than the grapple beam:

 

[Narpas_sword]

Honestly, this bothers me more than the grapple beam:

What exactly?

Yeah this sounds like a great idea! Of course it would require new animations for the pummel and all the throws so it would be quite the project, but it would be great to see more canon animations for characters.

Kinda like Ganon. And now we love Ganon even more.

Samus's throws are pretty terrible, down has some followups, up has some vs spacies as a mixup. otherwise her grab and throws are poor.

she either needs some love in the grab itself or keep the grab high risk and give her better throw options.

 

[Draco_The]

What exactly?

The arm cannon doesn't morph when firing a missile.

 

[CBO0tz]

I'm not quite sure what you mean here.


I like Samus' when she shoots into the air. That's a really good idea. I would love to see more Smash 64 representation. When I heard the menu theme of Smash 64 in Smash 4, I wanted to cry tears of joy.

You know the Dr. Mario Victory anim where he holds 2 pills up in both hands and goes: "Aha!"? That one could be alright with Mario I think.
and yeah, Samus's iis pretty badass.
I'm not sure how I feel about the Luigi one where he's waving in the wrong direction though. It seems too Caboose-y.

 

[Nefnoj]

Samus's throws are pretty terrible, down has some followups, up has some vs spacies as a mixup. otherwise her grab and throws are poor.

she either needs some love in the grab itself or keep the grab high risk and give her better throw options.

I've been trying to use grabs more often, I don't use them as much as I should, so I've been experimenting a lot with them...
As a casual, I completely agree.
I think with new grabimations, they could make Samus' pummel more drastic, by having her do so with her arm cannon, THAT WOULD HURT LIKE STEAK. Maybe her throw could utilize her arm cannon akin to Fox, Falco's, and Melee Mewtwo's projectile throw, since her arm cannon is now free. As she throws, she could fire her beam, which would vary in power depending on how charged it was. People would charge a lot more often. That'd be cool. Perhaps if you do a Smash throw (that's not an actual thing, right? I'm imagining a hard-press dash-press of the stick while holding) it would change to a super missile.
We're moving into a bit of gameplay stuff though, it's a bit off-topic. But it's also cosmetic, so it's not that bad.

You know the Dr. Mario Victory anim where he holds 2 pills up in both hands and goes: "Aha!"? That one could be alright with Mario I think.

UGH, I actually have to LOOK IT UP... Haha.
Yeah, that would be awesome, with Mario, he would have two fireballs floating there.

I'm not sure how I feel about the Luigi one where he's waving in the wrong direction though. It seems too Caboose-y.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Caboose-y", it looks like he's insulting the other players, rubbing his victory in their faces, haha.

 

[CBO0tz]

Jeez, we're like turning Samus into a stone cold killer with these ideas.. First it was bringing back the victory animation where she shoots into the air like she's the Joker in the scene before he tells Rachel about his scars in the Dark Knight, now we're suggesting she puts people down with her friggin' Arm Cannon for a D-Throw or B-Throw..

I like the victory animation idea, but the thought of her putting her cannon to a character's face and shooting seems a bit more violent then usual.. Just a pinch

Also, I found some old GameGrumps playthrough videos of Wario World, and there's a couple of animations that I was thinking could be changed or altered in a few ways..

Wario in that game has a three-hit combo where his last his was a big headbutt that hit many foes. That could either be a new jab combo for him in-game, but it could also be a new U-Smash for him, since the whole 'Spin while my head grows large for some reason and does damage' thing seems a little off..

He could carry certain enemies DK-style.. That would be a cool feature, but I'm not sure how the Wario mains out there would like it, and it probably would do drastic things to the metagame.

Lastly is just a cosmetic thing, he occasionally says things after throwing people, he says stuff like "GET OUTTA HERE", and "EXCELLEENT", and he says "HAVE A ROTTEN DAY" when he does the in-game equivalent of a B-throw.

I mean like, Caboose from RvB has a thing where he often looks the opposite direction with cameras and cool scenes in trailers because he's an idiot, and it just seemed like Luigi did that, since he looks like he's.. Waving I guess? .. If he could be portrayed in PM in a way that made him seem like he was gloating, that would be kinda funny.

But I feel like the 'Cowboy' victory pose he does in PM/Brawl already kinda has him doing that, because he looks in the direction of the losers and kinda nods at them with his hands on his hips in a confident pose before spinning around and saying 'Bang Bang!' in a cool way.

 

[Nefnoj]

Jeez, we're like turning Samus into a stone cold killer with these ideas.. First it was bringing back the victory animation where she shoots into the air like she's the Joker in the scene before he tells Rachel about his scars in the Dark Knight, now we're suggesting she puts people down with her friggin' Arm Cannon for a D-Throw or B-Throw..

I like the victory animation idea, but the thought of her putting her cannon to a character's face and shooting seems a bit more violent then usual.. Just a pinch

Well... She already was a stone cold killer, hehe.
I wasn't thinking it would be a down throw, just a side or maybe up-throw while the enemy's in mid-air. But a down throw COULD be a Prime 3 reference where she TOTALLY SHOOTS RIDLEY IN THE FACE.
Or Other M pah butts.

He could carry certain enemies DK-style.. That would be a cool feature, but I'm not sure how the Wario mains out there would like it, and it probably would do drastic things to the metagame.

Lastly is just a cosmetic thing, he occasionally says things after throwing people, he says stuff like "GET OUTTA HERE", and "EXCELLEENT", and he says "HAVE A ROTTEN DAY" when he does the in-game equivalent of a B-throw.

I don't like the carrying thing, it could be more like Snake's, Wario's my almost-main. The saying stuff idea is beautiful.

 

[ConDeeCas]

I'm loving all these ideas but SWEET JESUS I DON'T KNOW WHAT YALL TALKING ABOUT! I mean, I am a casual player. The most technical thing I know is being able to dodge. AND I JUST FIGURED THAT OUT LIKE YESTERDAY. So, basically, WHAT IS A FRIKIN D- B- DOWN MEGA ULTRA THROW JAB COMBO THINGY. plz help im so confused

 

[CBO0tz]

side or up throwing seems a bit too close to what Fox does, I'd almost say it seems a bit unoriginal.

I'd actually try and make her throws more similar to her current d-throw, make her slam the enemy down beside her in a way that either pops them up above you, or straight down behind you.

I'm loving all these ideas but SWEET JESUS I DON'T KNOW WHAT YALL TALKING ABOUT! I mean, I am a casual player. The most technical thing I know is being able to dodge. AND I JUST FIGURED THAT OUT LIKE YESTERDAY. So, basically, WHAT IS A FRIKIN D- B- DOWN MEGA ULTRA THROW JAB COMBO THINGY. plz help im so confused

It's not all that hard once you separate everything you're trying to hear, for one. If you go into any Character Discussion thread, they'd have a Beginner's Guide to whoever you want to play, showing the moves they have, and the usefulness of each move. the moves are what make up combos. But that's pretty off-topic.
Although we did sort of start it.. Sorry ._.

 

[Nefnoj]

I have a question! A while ago we mentioned moving the true Dark Suit to the last slot and replacing the recolour with the Phazon Suit, akin to the Fusion Suit, should the Phazon Suit go in the red slot? It's a lot more red than the pink suit.

 

[CBO0tz]

What? No, from my understanding, the Phazon suit would replace the black costume slot the Dark suit recolor used to be in. And you still don't want the pink red recolor, even after finding out it was a reference to the classic Metroid colors? :C

 

[Nefnoj]

What? No, from my understanding, the Phazon suit would replace the black costume slot the Dark suit recolor used to be in. And you still don't want the pink red recolor, even after finding out it was a reference to the classic Metroid colors? :C

Oh no, that's not true, I love it, it's absolutely necessary, it's obligatory! If they took it out, I'd shotgun my Wii!
What I meant to say was... The Phazon Suit would replace the Dark Suit recolour... But be used for the Red Swap. In other words, and on a technical level, the Dark Suit recolour would be replaced with the pink suit. The slot that previously had the pink suit would become the Phazon suit.

The Phazon suit has a lot of red, it's got red lights, red visor, a sorta-red tum-tum area, it could have red slits and veiny parts, and most of all, the Project M team would DEFINITELY use a red SamusRef file.

 

[CBO0tz]

Ingame though, it's mainly black.

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For reference.

 

[Nefnoj]

Ingame though, it's mainly black.

Spoiler

For reference.

Yeah... I guess my opinion's a bit clouded by these two:

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That second one is a bit extreme, I adjusted it in my build so it's at a half-way point: The slits are only SLIGHTLY glowey.
To mimic the glowey red stuff, the team would use a red SamusRef file: Meaning that her reflection would always be red, they did it with the Dark Samus swap, albeit with blue.

 

[CBO0tz]

Oh nice. The blue on the Dark Samus swap would be cool to see.

 

[ConDeeCas]

So I was thinking and I'm not sure if I put this on Codex's thread or this one, but basically we have these stages smushed together into like a flatzone stlyle stage. I think it'd be super badaaaasss! (also possibly through some of these songs in it, though they don't really loop well)

 

[GFooChombey]

I've always wanted someone to make a Smash Land collective stage, but most hackers don't have the ability to make that and have it look good. Though I believe the PMDT does, I don't know if it would fit.

But if any of you guys want to make it for fun...

 

[CBO0tz]

I really want Fox to get some replacement animations from Smash 64. His B-throw from that game is way cooler than the one he currently has.

 

[Nefnoj]

What should Toon Link's last costume slot go to? I was hoping for Conductor Link, though Project M might use it for a purple Outset slot.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

What should Toon Link's last costume slot go to? I was hoping for Conductor Link, though Project M might use it for a purple Outset slot.

Boy, I'm really hoping for Conductor Link......even though I don't like Spirit Tracks

 

[Nefnoj]

I have an idea for a Sonic palette:

Boy, I'm really hoping for Conductor Link......even though I don't like Spirit Tracks

Same here, Spirit Tracks I think suffered from poop controls, but the design is awesome.

 

[Lorenzo The Comic]

Silly Sonic bootlegs!

 

[Draco_The]

You guys know what I'd like to see before any other alt? New CSPs. Like, completely new poses, new stock icons and all that stuff.

 

[ArtfulHobbes]

You guys know what I'd like to see before any other alt? New CSPs. Like, completely new poses, new stock icons and all that stuff.

I agree. Official Project M new CSPs would be awesome! But I wouldn't expect them for quite a while seeing as brand new CSPs for every character and colour takes a long time.

 

[Lorenzo The Comic]

I would like more Luigi alts.

 

[Shin F.]

I agree. Official Project M new CSPs would be awesome! But I wouldn't expect them for quite a while seeing as brand new CSPs for every character and colour takes a long time.

Well, they were mentioned a long while back, so if they already started on them, they could be well on their way to done. I've been working on brand-new csps for a few months and I'm nearly half-way through the cast, but that's just me working on and off by myself, so a group that's a bit less lazy than me might already have finished such a task if they wanted to.

 

[Draco_The]

In case that ever happens I think this should be a must (from the Visual Fixing thread):

- CSP Pack updates: I'm about to go into detail in regards to increasing quality for the CSPs on the battle selection screen, for those who don't know, Ondo has a created a method that free's up space on the menu screen so that you can in quality CSPs (His thread goes into detail about it but basically the CSPs in 3.5 are compressed as CMPR but that's because if it goes over a certain filesize limit it would crash, various changes are made to what Ondo has done allows you to use CI8 compression) If I'm missing out on anything please correct me I'm speed typing this!

For a visual example here's what I mean:

Left is before, and the right one is after:

Quite a big change isn't it? Still working on various things, for more details on how this work, check his thread out HERE!

I also tested this on the Wii and the detail shows quite a bit, even moreso around the edges of the CSP!

I've also been meaning to take a screenshot of what the remastered CSPs look like in game, been meaning to for a while now!

I'm currently using Roy with the Sheath on, just testing a few things here and there, with the CSPs you can pick and mix whichever you like the most! This image is a just visual look at what it looks like.

I plan update the packs with Ondo styled CSPs,

Ondo Styled:

Default:

These CSPs only cut off parts that can't be seen in game, hence why it looks like it's been cut, when in fact it looks exactly as it does in the comparison screens!

 

[Xermo]

The brawl CSP poses are so worn out though. Even if they did implement Codex's, I'd replace them in a heartbeat.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I agree. Official Project M new CSPs would be awesome! But I wouldn't expect them for quite a while seeing as brand new CSPs for every character and colour takes a long time.

They could ask Codex, SJS or any other CSP maker to use theirs. It'd save time AND allow for some amazing CSPs

 

[Nefnoj]

I personally don't mind the default Brawl ones. I actually rather like them a lot, it makes it definitive that Project M is a mod of Brawl, not a standalone game.

But I wouldn't be at all opposed to new CSP's, especially if they were done by AlGeorgeRomo. Most other CSP's, like SJS', have way too much shadowy lighting stuff. It's pretty, and it's artistic, but it's also a bit unnatural, nice to look at, but too different from what they look like in game.

 

[TimeSmash]

I personally don't mind the default Brawl ones. I actually rather like them a lot, it makes it definitive that Project M is a mod of Brawl, not a standalone game.

But I wouldn't be at all opposed to new CSP's, especially if they were done by AlGeorgeRomo. Most other CSP's, like SJS', have way too much shadowy lighting stuff. It's pretty, and it's artistic, but it's also a bit unnatural, nice to look at, but too different from what they look like in game.

The Brawl ones are nice, but Project M has been all about indiviualizing itself as a Smash game--even though it's still very much a mod, it's like the PMDT is trying to make it stand as its own game.

Now we just need all new Event Matches and a completely different SSE haha

 

[Nefnoj]

I just had a thought.

Should the "Zero Laser" be changed to rainbow and renamed the "Hyper Beam" to reference the Super Metroid?

Just a thought.

 

[Shin F.]

I just had a thought.

Should the "Zero Laser" be changed to rainbow and renamed the "Hyper Beam" to reference the Super Metroid?

Just a thought.

Not really worth changing, IMO. Although I would like if it no longer forced the change to ZSS. Maybe make it optional depending on if you hold B. That would be nice.

 

[themaziest]

Should the "Zero Laser" be changed to rainbow and renamed the "Hyper Beam" to reference the Super Metroid?

I always thought that too! Would love that little change. In the same way, I won't spit on aesthetics changes for Starstorm to be more like "PK Rockin" or "PK Love", basically a psychedelic trip, or Crystal Flash for ZS Samus instead of Power Suit. But it has to be the lowest significant stuff for PMDT, considering this is a tournament oriented game. Would you mind some changes in this department?

By the way Shin, there is already a mod allowing this on these boards. Should be official IMO.

 

[Shin F.]

I always thought that too! Would love that little change. In the same way, I won't spit on aesthetics changes for Starstorm to be more like "PK Rockin" or "PK Love", basically a psychedelic trip, or Crystal Flash for ZS Samus instead of Power Suit. But it has to be the lowest significant stuff for PMDT, considering this is a tournament oriented game. Would you mind some changes in this department?

By the way Shin, there is already a mod allowing this on these boards. Should be official IMO.

I'd like PK Rockin / Love, but again, low priority. Crystal Flash would be excellent.

And yeah, I know about the mod. That's where I got the idea from.

 

[TimeSmash]

I'd like PK Rockin / Love, but again, low priority. Crystal Flash would be excellent.

And yeah, I know about the mod. That's where I got the idea from.

Show me a GIF of it because I might be thinking of something different. The PK moves I mean

 

[ChiePet]

Show me a GIF of it because I might be thinking of something different. The PK moves I mean

Trust me, PSi Rockin (b) looks GDLK.
A dream scenario, for sure..

 

[TimeSmash]

found one! My question is, how would it be avoidable since it spans the whole screen horizontally? Would it just span the center of the screen (think ala Zelda's arrow)