Pivot Punch Charge Cancel to Back Air

[Dragoomba]

Yeah, I've discovered this some time ago, but I have just decided to post it.

I am not entirely sure if anyone else has discovered this. In my opinion, it's kind of useful for changing your direction in mid-air quickly. (Even though side b can do this, it has a stall, however) Basically, when in the air, pivot and charge your Donkey Punch*, then immediately hit L/R to cancel then back air, or maybe even forward air if there was a certain situation.

So in simpler terms:

• Pivot Charge (Press the opposite direction and press B, but not at once.)
• Cancel it immediately after (Press L or R.)
• BACK AIR!

Some of you may find this kind of useful, but if you can learn to successfully pull it off every time, I can see a couple mind-game integrations.

*Obviously does not work when the Donkey Punch is already fully charged.

 

[Cosmick]

Nice find!
I see how useful this can be to the DK users. DK sure is working his way up on the tier list.

 

[Mith_]

Nice find!
I see how useful this can be to the DK users. DK sure is working his way up on the tier list.

No DK needs to stay where he is so people will underestimate his great fury.

I guess if somebody tried to gimp you while charging this could be useful.

 

[Mr.Victory07]

Could you not just RAR instead...?

 

[Mith_]

Could you not just RAR instead...?

Ahh, I understand what the OP is saying now.
Ok well this could be used as a simple mix up, mindgame if you will.

 

[pure_awesome]

Sure, you could RAR, but this lets you do it in mid-air.


History Lesson!

 

[blakinola]

Ooh, nice find. I'm going to try this tonight.

 

[TheNix]

Yeah, I knew of this mostly because I sometimes did the same thing with Sheik in Melee. It's pretty useful if you are trying to recover to the stage from high, so you can defend yourself with a bair.

 

[Donkey Bong]

Could you not just RAR instead...?

you cant RAR in midair, you have to use a b move to change which direction you're facing
you can do the same thing with the headbutt too.

 

[i1337]

lol, cool.

 

[magikguy]

i guess this can work since dairs always get owned by sword users >_>.

 

[Luigi player]

Does anyone know when you will airdodge out of your charge-cancel in the air?

I don't know why, but sometimes I don't airdodge and sometimes I airdodge (when the punch is NOT fully charged).


It would be really good to know this, because I've done this some long time ago very often, but it was way to risky, because sometimes I airdodge and then I can't get back up to the stage.

Btw, it is NOT because I press L/R/whatever more than once.

 

[TheNix]

I'm pretty sure it has to do with how long you hold down the L/R button. I find that if I just tap L, I don't air dodge.

It might just be coincidence, though.

 

[Luigi player]

I'm pretty sure it has to do with how long you hold down the L/R button. I find that if I just tap L, I don't air dodge.

It might just be coincidence, though.

Yeah maybe... I'm testing it right now. If you hold shield too long he will airdodge.

The strange thing is just that I sometimes airdodge while I was testing if I always just press it shortly he shouldn't airdodge... maybe it's because L/R are stupid buttons... >_< I'll try changing something else to shield and if it works maybe I'll use it as new controls for DK ^^


EDIT:

Okay, I tested it. It is strange to suddenly shield with Y, but anyway... I press as slightly as I could, but I still airdodged really often o.O I don't get it, but it has to be something else.

Maybe if you cancel during a specific part of the animation you'll airdodge... >_> how lame.

 

[Ragnar0k]

It might have something to do with the swings of DK's arm. Similar to how grab attacks affect jump/ground releases.

 

[Luigi player]

It might have something to do with the swings of DK's arm. Similar to how grab attacks affect jump/ground releases.

Yeah, I'm now probably 100 % sure it's because of that, because I could do it constantly now, just by hearing at that "swing" sound.

 

[ook]

Yeah, I remember reading somewhere, if you hit L/R when you hear the "swoosh" sound, you won't airdodge.


Or maybe it was something else, but it's definitely a part of the animation that determines it



edit: ninja'd

 

[Ragnar0k]

So canceling when you hear the noise prevents air dodging? Just for confirmation.

 

[ook]

Yeah

Spoiler

10ninjas

 

[Luigi player]

Yeah you have to cancel it after the sound has finished to airdodge. So you have to cancel it during the sound to not airdodge...

 

[Donkey Bong]

thats good to know, thanks guys

 

[Mith_]

actually i just hit the grab button and it doesn't airdodge. no need to time it or anything. or maybe im just pro.

 

[Ragnar0k]

Mithx that's even more convenient thanks.

 

[Dragoomba]

I've actually only airdodged like 5% of the time. It's very rare for me.

 

[Luigi player]

actually i just hit the grab button and it doesn't airdodge. no need to time it or anything. or maybe im just pro.

Well, I just airdodged while using Z to stop the charge. Too bad. Oh well, I'll just use side B then, it's much saver.

 

[xxmoosexx]

Maybe video would be nice?

I think I understand how to do it, but I'd like to make sure Im doin it right.

If someone will do this, please include how to do it with the neutral b punch and the side b and tell why one is better than the other.

Please and thank you

 

[Veggi]

Disregard this post, someone said it. It's hard to see things on a cellphone.

 

[ZxChrono]

i have suicided a few times for charging off stage and i air dodge near the edge instead and end up dying. i tend not to do that as much anymore but sometimes charging off stage is safe.

 

[Jmex]

^ Just make sure you hit the shoulder button to anticipate the dodge. Depending on when you press the shoulder button you will either dodge or just cancel out the charge. So just in case you dodge your still slightly above the stage and you wont die.

 

[Boxob.]

It might have something to do with the swings of DK's arm. Similar to how grab attacks affect jump/ground releases.

It's the same as how it was in melee.

Go look it up

I've been doing this since release, you can do the same in Melee with anyone who has a chargable special.

Back to my Sonic boards now.

 

[ph00tbag]

It might have something to do with the swings of DK's arm. Similar to how grab attacks affect jump/ground releases.

This is it. Sit down and play around with DK's charge a bit, and you'll note that he only ever cancels the charged after each full swing. If you input a cancel during a swing, it won't cancel until after the swing.

You also can't punch during any swing in particular, only in between swings.

 

[Cyphus]

aerial pivot charge cancels have been around since Melee. Sheik's used it for B.airs, and occasionally DKs too.
I've been using it since i picked up DK.

 

[pure_awesome]

aerial pivot charge cancels have been around since Smash64. Sheik's used it for B.airs, and occasionally DKs too.
I've been using it since i picked up DK.

Fixed.

Gotta love the old school.

 

[Blad01]

aerial pivot charge cancels have been around since Melee. Sheik's used it for B.airs, and occasionally DKs too.
I've been using it since i picked up DK.

Same here

The only thing that saves DK from being juggled all day...

 

[Cyphus]

GOD ****ING **** I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what causes DK to sometimes airdodge from canceling his B in teh air is WHEN you press L. (it was driving me nuts)

If you press L (or hold, it doesn't make a difference) during an actual wind, it cancels it soon as the wind finishes...but if you press L right BEFORE a wind he dodges...somewhat odd timing..but god.
so good to know.

EDIT: "when you press L, not B, lol"

 

[itsthebigfoot]

i always used headbutt to turn around, this'll be useful for when i'm not 50 feet in the air though

 

[Blad01]

GOD ****ING **** I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what causes DK to sometimes airdodge from canceling his B in teh air is WHEN you press B. (it was driving me nuts)

If you press L (or hold, it doesn't make a difference) during an actual wind, it cancels it soon as the wind finishes...but if you press L right BEFORE a wind he dodges...somewhat odd timing..but god.
so good to know.

That's actually what i suspected but....

YEAH ! Thanks Lol that airdodge was so annoying sometimes... -_-'

 

[Dragoomba]

GOD ****ING **** I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what causes DK to sometimes airdodge from canceling his B in teh air is WHEN you press L. (it was driving me nuts)

If you press L (or hold, it doesn't make a difference) during an actual wind, it cancels it soon as the wind finishes...but if you press L right BEFORE a wind he dodges...somewhat odd timing..but god.
so good to know.

EDIT: "when you press L, not B, lol"

Awesum, so basically just holding down L before a wind is the easiest method?