Pit's Better Half: Dark Pit General/Social Thread

[Shorts]

I wonder.... this update has me thinkin' Dark Pit is playable..

He... IS Pit though. Lucina isn't Marth. He's like, IDENTICLE to Pit, how could that work? Maybe he's a pallete swap + voice?

 

[young grasshopper]

I bet that pit will have custom moveset options that are more like dark pit, and he will also have a dark pit color swap

 

[Neo Zero]

If Dark Pit is a newcomer here's a trailer idea.

Start it right at the end of Plautena's trailer

"Dark Pit, you just dropped in to crash my party?"

"Uh huh"

Cue Dark Pit intro splash. As Dark Pit wields his weapons, a dark blast comes from behind Palutena, caused by Ganondorf. Finally, before Ganondorf and Dark Pit begin there attack to overwhelm Palutena, a bright slash knocks the two away. Enter Shulk, complete with intro splash text. Then have gameplay focusing on Shulk, with a little bit of Dark Pit and Ganondorf thrown in (since ones a vet and one would be a clone/semi clone)

I feel this would be the best option, you highlight a wanted original character, you reveal Ganondorf to parallel how Link was with Pit, and you also establish Dark Pit.

 

[_Darkpit_]

Dark Pit has some differences to Pit. Here some facts and some ideas:

- Pits wish is to fly by himself ( because he can't fly ). But Darkpit can fly infinite. ( B-UP ). Maybe Darkpit can fly longer and can better fight in the air than Pit. For this he is weaker on the ground.

- Darkpit has his own weapon ( staff of dark pit ). Pits main weapon is the >Palutena<bow. Okay they can use weapons from each other, but the staff of dark pit and Palutenabow are self-titled. Other weapons aren't that. Plus some weaponcategories are missing like staffs, claws......... We have a bow, orbitars and arm ( Pits moveset ) and a club ( as Item ) That makes 4 / 9. Darkpit could have a staff claws and maybe a hand.

We would have 7 / 9 weapons. A canon and a blade as an Item too and we would have one weapon from each category. I think this is very rounded for the Kid Icarus characters. 3 weapons for Pit 3 weapons for Pittoo and 3 weapons as Item. ^^ Smash would be more versatile than the weapons wouldn't be added. ^^

- Personality ( okay I think this is superfluous ). But they have different personality.


Another nice theory.... Sakurai said he don't add a second Subspace Emmissary. But maybe he create a smiliar oppotunity for Wii U. ( Or another thing ). And than you'll see Darkpit in a story.

For Nintendo 3DS... Darkpit appears maybe after or while a mission like the events in Melee.

 

[dezeray112]

Wouldn't really surprise me if Dark Pit ends up being playable at this point.

 

[Tsutori]

If Dark Pit is a newcomer here's a trailer idea.

Start it right at the end of Plautena's trailer

"Dark Pit, you just dropped in to crash my party?"

"Uh huh"

Cue Dark Pit intro splash. As Dark Pit wields his weapons, a dark blast comes from behind Palutena, caused by Ganondorf. Finally, before Ganondorf and Dark Pit begin there attack to overwhelm Palutena, a bright slash knocks the two away. Enter Shulk, complete with intro splash text. Then have gameplay focusing on Shulk, with a little bit of Dark Pit and Ganondorf thrown in (since ones a vet and one would be a clone/semi clone)

I feel this would be the best option, you highlight a wanted original character, you reveal Ganondorf to parallel how Link was with Pit, and you also establish Dark Pit.

That would be pretty epic xD And might serve as a nice parallel to the anime episodes, in which Palutena's trailer is "episode 1" and Dark Pit's would be "episode 2".

 

[RidleyKraid187]

Honestly, No Matter How Different Dark Pit is made, I would still rather have the Original Kid Icarus trio of Pit, Palutena, Medusa than Dark Pit. It's Like having Link, Zelda, Dark Link to me. you're not adding the "Ganondorf" of the series, but rather, another minor Villian Character? that just seems odd to me.... I'd be happy with Dark Pit as an Alt, but no more, please.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Now I think Dark Pit and any other plausible semi-clone has a 50/50 chance at this point, now that Lucina is seperate.

 

[Phaazoid]

I heard a really good argument against dark pit.

If he was a clone like Lucina, why didn't he get his intro during Palutena's trailer, like Lucina did in Robins?

That's enough to convince me.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

The day I believe in Dark Pit is the day I see a full set of alternate colors for him that in no way can be confused with Pit's.

 

[Phaazoid]

The day I believe in Dark Pit is the day I see a full set of alternate colors for him that in no way can be confused with Pit's.

Man before though when I thought dark pit was gonna be in I think it was the most a villain has ever scared me

 

[Deleted member]

This news of Lucina does seem to give more meaning to the idea of Dark Pit.
Among other clone oddities like Toon Zelda, Dr. Mario's return (W00T), etc.

Then of course, there's the fact that Lucina was revealed outright in the latest trailer while Dark Pit was just thrown in at the end of Palutena's with no notion as to his role.
Which goes back to Mr. Game & Watch, who now has Captain Falcon as a counter given that while Mr. Game & Watch wasn't given a character page after his appearance at the end of Pac-Man's trailer, Captain Falcon was for his role in Lucina's/Robin's as well as a brief snippet of in-game footage.

What we have here is a mystery, gang. So let's split up and search for clues. (Not really; let's just wait it out)

The day I believe in Dark Pit is the day I see a full set of alternate colors for him that in no way can be confused with Pit's.

Quoth the OP:

"But, isn't Dark Pit just a recolor of Pit? How would that work for Alternate Colors?"
A way to counter the dreaded Alternate Colors issue is a color set like this, courtesy of Venus of the Desert Bloom:
Pit:

Spoiler

Dark Pit:

Spoiler

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[Phaazoid]

. (Not really; let's just wait it out)

Sounds like a plan

 

[Tsutori]

Dang, Dark Pit looks pretty nice in that blue there.

 

[RidleyKraid187]

The day I believe in Dark Pit is the day I see a full set of alternate colors for him that in no way can be confused with Pit's.

GOOD POINT!

 

[BluePikmin11]

Maybe Dark Pit can have an dark aura glowing around his body to avoid confusion.

 

[Neo Zero]

What we have here is a mystery, gang. So let's split up and search for clues.

I'll go with Velma and Daffney. Golden, you go with the dog food eating hippie

Love those recolors btw, I don't see how anyone can get confused by those, its no more confusing than Mario and Luigi

I'm feeling pretty confident at this point though, I believe in Pittoo

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I feel sad that you guys haven't gotten anything other than a debatable cameo appearance, so even though I don't want it, I shall hope for you guys too!

 

[BluePikmin11]

I feel sad that you guys haven't gotten anything other than a debatable cameo appearance, so even though I don't want it, I shall hope for you guys too!

Hopefully we don't fall in the same fate as Chrom.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hopefully we don't fall in the same fate as Chrom.

That would be a shame, but it seems likely in my eyes unfortunatly

 

[Louie G.]

I have a good feeling about Dark Pit at this point. And come to think of it, I'm kinda happy about it.
Now that we're getting clones, Dark Pit is probably one of the best options. More air time and overall better and faster air game (but his ground game is slower and inferior to Pit's) plus dark effects on his attacks.

I'm down.

 

[obeymalleo]

Think about it guys, today's Photo of the Day increases Dark Pit's chances as being playable. Just look at what Sakurai stated: "whenever there is even a small difference in abilities, that character gets an actual roster slot". Now, Pit and Dark Pit are clones according to KI: Uprising. However, we must take into account that they still have there differences (personality, and weapons). Specifically pointing out the weapons, Pit and Dark Pit wield different weapons in KI: Uprising, thus "having a small difference in abilities", as Sakurai would think Dark Pit deserves a spot. Because of this, that would mean that Dark Pit would get his very own slot on the roster.

 

[Bowserlick]

Let us examine the clone aspect. The super-clone solution.

Follow me: Lucina is the beginner's Marth. Same stats (slightly smaller), but without a bonus sweet-spot and the trade-off sour-spot. Instead opting for a sword that hits decently everywhere.

Can Dark Pit do this in reverse?

Same stats at Pit except he can glide, but has a shorter Up B or has Pit's old Up B.

Dark Pit can fly better than Pit from the game from what I read.

 

[Neo Zero]

I agree with the air game approach. It should go without saying that Dark Pit is infinitely better in the air compared to Pit. I also feel like he should lack many of Pits multihitting moves for single hitting variations. As trade off, he has less ground control compared to Pit, and a more straight forward weapon arsenal compared to the variety Pit has.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Where's @ Frostwraith when you need him? I would like to know his opinion on the matter.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Like I said in the Discussion thread, in order to easily differentiate him from Pit to avoid confusion, they could easily give him a different pose like Lucina and the Dark Pit staff.
Just like to get that out of my chest.

 

[The21stSmasher]

Hm, you guys remember Sakurai's quote from July 15th's Pic of the day?: "However, whenever there is even a small difference in abilities, that character gets an actual roster slot."

Just out of curiosity, can that quote mean that he's hinting someone like Dark Pit? Because Pit and Dark Pit definitely have some differences in terms of abilities.

 

[Frostwraith]

Where's @ Frostwraith when you need him? I would like to know his opinion on the matter.

I have been summoned to this thread? With Robin revealed already, the other characters I want are Dark Pit and Mewtwo.

Anyway, Lucina's reveal as a clone really got me thinking on Dark Pit. It almost seems like Lucina was included for her popularity and because she was easy to make by tweaking an already existing character (Marth).

You could argue that the same could be said about Dark Pit. Popular character? Check. Fast to develop by basing off an existing character? Check.

What we've learned yesterday is that Sakurai isn't afraid of putting clones in this game, despite the fact most newcomers thus far have been quite unique characters, notably Rosalina and Mega Man.

Lucina is a tweaked Marth and Dark Pit could be a tweaked Pit. Notice how Sakurai stated that any minimal difference in ability would be enough for a character to get a slot. This is why Dr. Mario got his own slot in Melee, even though he's nearly identical to Mario. (Speaking of Doc, his chances are looking likelier than ever.)

Lucina, who could have easily been a costume swap for Marth, got her own slot. This coupled with Sakurai's statement of not liking putting different characters as costumes means that, if a character is another identity, no matter how similar that character may be, that character will get a separate slot.

Lucina's inclusion as the clone that is the least different from the original character in the entire Smash Bros. series opens the door to some characters that otherwise wouldn't have made it. Dark Pit has potential to be more different from Pit compared to Lucina's differences from Marth, but he could be "Pit's Lucina".

I like the idea that he could be more aerial oriented. It fits him. He could have some of Pit's old moves like the Up Special and/or gliding. The Bow special move could replicate KIU's shooting mechanics: hold B to shoot multiple shots or press B after some time to fire a charged shot. The Dark Pit Staff could also be implemented somehow... Perhaps as a Down Special? Or maybe it could be a side smash like Mega Man and Mii Gunner? Anyway, it could be a slow move that fired long range chargeable projectiles.

In the end, I don't know. Sakurai keeps throwing us curve balls, one after another. With this game, anything is possible.

What I can say is that Dark Pit could be on the same boat as Lucina. How much of a clone he could be is something we must wait and see.

 

[NintenRob]

Lucina is making me think Dark Pit WILL be playable, with a slightly updated design (As seen with his hair already)

Does anyone have images of Pits current swaps?

 

[Frostwraith]

Given recent insight on Lucina's development, things bode strongly for a Dark Pit alt for Pit, with full name and voice swap.

According to the latest Famitsu issue, Lucina was meant to be a Marth alt that changed model, voice and name, while keeping the same gameplay. This was changed mid-development and she became her own character, as a slightly tweaked Marth. The animations are still the same and almost everything about her makes it obvious she was based on Marth.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I think what kills Dark Pit being a separate character is Lucina. She was confirmed as a separate character in the trailer, Dark Pit wasn't.

Dark Pit will probably be a full skin with name, voice, and everything, because he wasn't announced as a separate character. Even then, though, if he IS a separate character, Lucina proves he'd probably just be a clone with minimal changes.

 

[Neo Zero]

If Sakurai went to the trouble of being mysterious with Dark Pit in the first place, something tells me his wording would purposely not allude to Dark Pit at all, which it did. Im not swayed either way at any rate.

And yes, I know it can also just mean he's only an alt by taking the quote at face value, but I just don't buy it at face value atm.

 

[Curious Villager]

I wonder if they would include Dark Pit, that they would give him some of Pit's Brawl moves instead. In Brawl, Pit seems to have more recovery and air options compared to what he apparently does now (with the loss of his gliding mechanic and his seemingly less directional freedom for his up special). Which is understandable as Pit doesn't really have the ability to fly on his own whereas Dark Pit does (Granted that was due to the powers he stole from Pandora but still...)

Just my own speculations I guess. Granted if we had to get a new Kid Icarus clone/semi-clone I would have rather had Medusa but Dark Pit is cool I guess...

 

[Second Power]

Cross posting from official character discussion.

You know something simple that'd make Dark Pit really different from Pit? Give him a hover. Seriously, that can change so much with of his playstyle so easily.

 

[TheNerdyOne_]

Cross posting from official character discussion.

I really like this solution. Some people in the Ridley thread were speculating that Ridley will be announced alongside a new constant-hover mechanic, which would be given to other flying characters as well.

Also, if Dark Pit is a character I don't think we'll get an announcement video, and instead I suspect he'll be a secret character due to the fact that he has yet to be confirmed, just like Mr. Game and Watch.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Dark Pit looks even more than Pit than Lucina does to Marth. He was designed to be a palette swap.
I'm still hoping for him to be just an alt costume. After all, Sakurai said only a different moveset will guarantee you your own slot. While a different voice pack can still keep you as an alt (though there is the thing where Dark Pit and Pit in the end are not the same entity).

 

[JaidynReiman]

Dark Pit looks even more than Pit than Lucina does to Marth. He was designed to be a palette swap.
I'm still hoping for him to be just an alt costume. After all, Sakurai said only a different moveset will guarantee you your own slot. While a different voice pack can still keep you as an alt (though there is the thing where Dark Pit and Pit in the end are not the same entity).

Lucina was planned to be an alt. Based on that fact, they can easily have the voice over change to "Dark Pit" instead of "Pit."

 

[JaidynReiman]

I really like this solution. Some people in the Ridley thread were speculating that Ridley will be announced alongside a new constant-hover mechanic, which would be given to other flying characters as well.

Also, if Dark Pit is a character I don't think we'll get an announcement video, and instead I suspect he'll be a secret character due to the fact that he has yet to be confirmed, just like Mr. Game and Watch.

He's probably just a costume (he might be an unlockable costume). Lucina is mostlikely unlockable as well. The difference with Game and Watch is that Game and Watch is a veteran.

EDIT: Crap, double post, didn't mean to do that. If a mod sees this can you merge this post with the prior one?

 

[TheNerdyOne_]

He's probably just a costume (he might be an unlockable costume). Lucina is mostlikely unlockable as well. The difference with Game and Watch is that Game and Watch is a veteran.

EDIT: Crap, double post, didn't mean to do that. If a mod sees this can you merge this post with the prior one?

I'm not so sure. I personally find it interesting that both Dark Pit and Mr. Game and Watch were shown off in almost exactly the same way. The only difference that Mr. Game and Watch has is that he had a much higher chance of getting in the first place because he's a veteran. He still wasn't confirmed on the website, and Sakurai has seemingly pretended that neither of them exist since then.

Like I was saying the Official Character Discussion thread, when the community is confused about whether someone is a character, Sakurai has almost always clarified it soon after. The only exceptions are when the confusion is on purpose, and why would he purposefully leave us confused about an alternate costume (not to say that it's impossible).

 

[JaidynReiman]

I'm not so sure. I personally find it interesting that both Dark Pit and Mr. Game and Watch were shown off in almost exactly the same way. The only difference that Mr. Game and Watch has is that he had a much higher chance of getting in the first place because he's a veteran. He still wasn't confirmed on the website, and Sakurai has seemingly pretended that neither of them exist since then.

Like I was saying the Official Character Discussion thread, when the community is confused about whether someone is a character, Sakurai has almost always clarified it soon after. The only exceptions are when the confusion is on purpose, and why would he purposefully leave us confused about an alternate costume (not to say that it's impossible).

Lucina was given an intro when she first showed up. I think that basically disconfirms Dark Pit as a separate character.