Pit's Better Half: Dark Pit General/Social Thread

[Bowserlick]

Usually these threads with a small amount of pages have their character eventually pop up as playable.

 

[Blakexd9]

Well to be fair, only 4 palettes were shown for everybody. This could mean that half of the alts have not even been shown/recreated yet. The teasing for Dark Pit is very interesting though.

Yeah, I also learned that Wireframe Mac isn't available either, so it's entirely possible Pit still has his Dark Pit palette. This also makes me hopeful that Marth has a Lucina alt.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm just disappointed that of the three characters I've made a thread for, it had to have been Dark Pit that gets something mysterious to watch out for and not the two that I would be ecstatic over, Wrestler (curse you Chorus Kids!) and Black Shadow.

 

[Glaciacott]

People are lacking context. Dark Pit being on Palutena's trailer really winds up meaning as much as Mega Man's trailer closing with Yellow Devil: he's in the game, but he's not playable.

I like the idea of him being a boss in Palutena's Temple. Just flying around and sniping. Works great for a stage that has so many aerial elements, and does a great job representing his chapter in the game in which you have to search for him in different areas and defeat him thrice.

It also really fits the line of him "crashing Palutena's party"

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Also, a character interfering with the players in a big stage is possible. Remember the ultimate chimera?

 

[Smash_Veteran_Amtoj]

The ONE thing I find going against Dark Pit as a costume is that it'll change Pit's identity.

We've haven't gotten an identity changing costume revealed yet, and if I'm not mistaken Sakurai dislikes the idea. He wants costumes to represent that character.

 

[Cobalsh]

People are lacking context. Dark Pit being on Palutena's trailer really winds up meaning as much as Mega Man's trailer closing with Yellow Devil: he's in the game, but he's not playable.

I like the idea of him being a boss in Palutena's Temple. Just flying around and sniping. Works great for a stage that has so many aerial elements, and does a great job representing his chapter in the game in which you have to search for him in different areas and defeat him thrice.

It also really fits the line of him "crashing Palutena's party"

But we knew Yellow Devil was a boss. This is a whole different matter. He's legitimate enough to be his own character, but would probably be a clone. My only problem with Dark Pit is that he's from one game, could very well never appear again, and therefore be a useless, cloney addition. However, he could also use other KI weapons, and maybe this new 3DS game is a Kid Icarus: Uprising sequel: Kid Icarus: Downfall.

 

[Spazzy_D]

But we knew Yellow Devil was a boss. This is a whole different matter. He's legitimate enough to be his own character, but would probably be a clone. My only problem with Dark Pit is that he's from one game, could very well never appear again, and therefore be a useless, cloney addition. However, he could also use other KI weapons, and maybe this new 3DS game is a Kid Icarus: Uprising sequel: Kid Icarus: Downfall.

On the other hand, if he IS in Smash, he will almost definitely be in the next Kid Icarus game.

EDIT: Not meaning that he wouldn't appear anyway, just responding to the "could very well never appear again."

 

[Smash_Veteran_Amtoj]

On the other hand, if he IS in Smash, he will almost definitely be in the next Kid Icarus game.

With the treatment he got in Uprising, him appearing in a sequel isn't far-fetched at all.

 

[Glaciacott]

But we knew Yellow Devil was a boss. This is a whole different matter. He's legitimate enough to be his own character, but would probably be a clone. My only problem with Dark Pit is that he's from one game, could very well never appear again, and therefore be a useless, cloney addition. However, he could also use other KI weapons, and maybe this new 3DS game is a Kid Icarus: Uprising sequel: Kid Icarus: Downfall.

We imagined Yellow Devil was a boss because he's huge and usually static and a boss in Mega Man. If anyone suggested he was playable everyone would have laughed at their face.
But really, Dark Pit is in the same boat. He was revealed in the end of another character's trailer as a threat to that character. The only reason he isn't being treated the same way as Yellow Devil is because of the sheer bias people have in wanting him playable and his shape/size/movement diversity allowing it more.

Bottom line is: IF he was playable, he would have gotten his own trailer. And his own poster, and his own hype. He didn't, therefore he is not, and given the precedent from Yellow Devil, Sakurai's position on alt. costumes, and the overall importance of his character, the only logical conclusion we can reach from the data we have is that he could very possibly be a boss in a stage.

Could he be playable? Of course he could, he's an easy character to make playable. But he was revealed within another character's trailer. To me that means he's disconfirmed and saying he's not, with the data we have, feels like just grasping at straws.

 

[Deleted member]

Mr. Game & Watch.


A veteran, not a newcomer, but still. Shown at the end of another character's trailer and hasn't been announced as a character himself. Yet is treated as a confirmation instead of a disconfirmation.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

That's because nobody expect a character to get downgraded, from playable to something else.

I'd say that the Ancient Minister (and the ROB enemies) are a better example.



But again, this kills the possibility of Dark Pit playable for me, but raise the possibility of a bigger role than being an AT or a mere trophy.

 

[Frostwraith]

Ridley, Mr. Game & Watch and Dark Pit have all been teased somehow, but what roles they will play are ambiguous. It could be anything, really.

 

[Snagrio]

Ridley, Mr. Game & Watch and Dark Pit have all been teased somehow, but what roles they will play are ambiguous. It could be anything, really.

While not concrete evidence that they will all end up playable, Palutena also got quite a bit of teasing (second only to Ridley) and look where she ended up.

 

[Leafeon523]

Ridley, Mr. Game & Watch and Dark Pit have all been teased somehow, but what roles they will play are ambiguous. It could be anything, really.

Some other characters that have been teased are Wario, Ganondwarf, and Shulk. The first two through the Robot Chicken spoof, and Shulk through the twitter pic. Given how many teasers we have had, I think it's a possibility that all of them may be unlockable.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Some other characters that have been teased are Wario, Ganondwarf, and Shulk. The first two through the Robot Chicken spoof, and Shulk through the twitter pic. Given how many teasers we have had, I think it's a possibility that all of them may be unlockable.

Shulk tease? Kinda off topic, but can I see that? I missed it apparently.

 

[Frostwraith]

What Shulk tease? If it's about Sakurai's Tweet where he showed an image of the Monado from a concert, I wouldn't put much stock on it, honestly.

 

[Kind Dedede]

Wasn't it Sakurai who actually came up with the whole Dark pit thing from Brawl? Could just be paying homage to where he originated since he was responsible for Uprising too, which actually gave him a whole new level of importance.

 

[Glaciacott]

Mr. Game & Watch.


A veteran, not a newcomer, but still. Shown at the end of another character's trailer and hasn't been announced as a character himself. Yet is treated as a confirmation instead of a disconfirmation.

Because veterans are not revealed with the fanfare of secrecy followed by videos and posters. Veterans just get a picture and a "here they are!"

In the case of game and watch, we treat it like a confirmation because making reference to a character that's been playable before without explicitely saying the character is cut MOST LIKELY MEANS the character is back. It's a matter of what's more logical.

 

[Malkior7]

after that tidbit at the end of Palutena's reveal trailer I think he could very well be in line for a playable character (or boss at the very least) slot worried he could be a clone though

 

[Deleted member]

Because veterans are not revealed with the fanfare of secrecy followed by videos and posters. Veterans just get a picture and a "here they are!"

In the case of game and watch, we treat it like a confirmation because making reference to a character that's been playable before without explicitely saying the character is cut MOST LIKELY MEANS the character is back. It's a matter of what's more logical.

 

[Kind Dedede]

He went from Pokemon Trainer to being solo. Technically a veteran but they probably gave him one out of respect of confirming transformations are obsolete.

Him and Sonic have debatable video entrances but I feel they warrant them each for being shown off special occasions.

 

[Glaciacott]

Now show me Dark Pit's image with the catchy caption.

Oh that's right. He didn't get one.

 

[I_hate_usernames]

That's because Sak said no more form changes, and having 4 gen 1 starters take up the entire Poke-roster would be a kick to the teeth for any fan of the newer franchise.

Chances are Dark Pit's going to be an alt costume much like Male WiiFit and Wire frame Mac.

And honestly, if what people are saying is true, the roster is squeezed enough as it is. I'd rather see a unique, fresh character than yet another clone.

 

[Deleted member]

Now show me Dark Pit's image with the catchy caption.

Oh that's right. He didn't get one.

...Nor did Mr. Game & Watch.

Save the sarcasm for when you've actually got a point.


EDIT: To everyone that's using the "because Charizard is separated" logic, explain why Zero Suit Samus and Sheik did not get their own segments in a trailer.

 

[Glaciacott]

...Nor did Mr. Game & Watch.

Save the sarcasm for when you've actually got a point.


EDIT: To everyone that's using the "because Charizard is separated" logic, explain why Zero Suit Samus and Sheik did not get their own segments in a trailer.

Sorry, I thought all manners of arguing were fair when you started treating exceptions like they're rules.

Just to clarify since you get defensive it seems, I have nothing against Dark Pit. But I do have something against poor logic being shot at me instead of thought out arguments.
Now, show me a newcomer being revealed without one of those screens, and then you have an argument.

 

[I_hate_usernames]

EDIT: To everyone that's using the "because Charizard is separated" logic, explain why Zero Suit Samus and Sheik did not get their own segments in a trailer.

Because they got their own time in the actual showcase instead.

 

[Burigu]

Well I will adress points made in this topic, really people go overboad with their hopes,

It makes sense to show Mr. Game and Watch because he is a veteran, edit: apparently people don't accept this as evidence, it helps little to my point so if people use this against my logic you can ignore this since this is not my main point, I didn't erased just because, that is like I am retracting for my point which I am not

So I ask you people does it makes sense to show a BRAND NEW CHARACTER at the end of another newcomer, I think not.

Look what happened to TOM NOOK people expected him because he was shown at the end of Villager's trailer, I can understand people expecting Ridley because that was a questionable shadow, but A BRAND NEW CHARACTER showed the way DP was that is anticlimatic

That part was a tribute to KIU chapter 1, he might be playable as a separate character for Pit but that hadn't been Sakurai style to show a NEWCOMER, that is not even considered a teaser Dark Pit was fully shown.

I am a great KI fan and I think the more of it in Smash the better but I don't see why this is treated as a "teaser" for a playable character when Sakurai has never done that in the past, so it could happen but let's look objetive at the evidence and not to our personal hopes.

I will resume this: EVERY NEWCOMER has a trailer DARK PIT was SHOWN in another NEWCOMER TRAILER with no confirmation of being playable, I don't see another trailer enfoqued on Dark Pit happening when they could simply have revealed him with Palutena. Until Sakurai give us a precedent that is true to what was shown in the trailer, (NEWCOMER with announcement + NEWCOMER without it) this means little to Dark Pit and yes IN THIS CASE the Mr. Game and Watch argument is valid, every NEWCOMER have had and ANNOUNCEMENT and that has been CONSTANT so no more Veteran reveals inconsistences even Miis got them in a way or another, they got them.

EDIT: for the record I am not bashing Dark Pit, he is not my favorite but don't take my claims the wrong way, my intentions are not to make people mad, I am only sharing my thoughts, and what to me is most likely

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry, I thought all manners of arguing were fair when you started treating exceptions like they're rules.

Just to clarify since you get defensive it seems, I have nothing against Dark Pit. But I do have something against poor logic being shot at me instead of thought out arguments.
Now, show me a newcomer being revealed without one of those screens, and then you have an argument.

Ironic, since poor logic is all I'm getting with this.

Poor logic and circlejerk excuses.
"Dark Pit wasn't given a character announcement, therefore he's disconfirmed!"
->Mr. Game & Watch
"Mr. Game & Watch doesn't count! He's a veteran! Veterans don't get trailer announcements, they get a pic and a quiet reveal!"
->Charizard
"Charizard doesn't count! He was made his own character with transformations being gone so he gets his own trailer segment!"
->Sheik and Zero Suit Samus
"But they're veterans! Show me a newcomer not being revealed without a debut screen!"

->One of two options:
a. Mii Fighters didn't get any aside from gag ones about Abe Lincoln, Elijah Wood, and Ice-T (America)/Shinya Arino (Japan). Hell, they didn't get a legitimate trailer.
b. It's a Stinger/Teaser, not a reveal. We've only got two examples aside from this within trailers; Yellow Devil, and Mr. Game & Watch. And of the three total, only Yellow Devil had context as to what role it serves, which was obviously not a character.

Both of which would probably be met with more excuses.
The simple fact of the matter is WE. DON'T. KNOW. WHAT'S. HAPPENING. To try make a solid argument by using past trends and justifications why exceptions to those past trends exist is fruitless.

I personally don't beleive Dark Pit is going to be playable at this point either. But I am not willing to make hasty judgements with such little context given.

Well I will adress points made in this topic, really people go overboad with their hopes,

Yeah, no. Hope hasn't got anything to do with it.
It's logic (and the lack thereof in some arguments, like yours).

It makes sense to show Mr. Game and Watch because he is a veteran,

Oh look, the "veteran" excuse again with absolutely no reasoning to back up why it makes sense to show a veteran at the end of someone's trailer and NOT at the very least formally announce him on the website alongside the character whose trailer they appear in.
Literally none of the veterans we know about showed up in a trailer prior to their announcement without their OWN announcement. So again, WHY does it make sense to have Mr. Game & Watch randomly show up in a trailer without announcing him as a returning character?

Zamus, Sheik and even Yoshi had their respective show time during the direct plus Zamus and Sheik were anounced as separed characters, meaning the anouncement of NO more transformations, which is a REALLY IMPORTANT NEW MECHANIC Yoshi got a great revamp in design so it makes sense and being the last one of the original 8 confirmed

Completely irrelevant argument.
They didn't show up in someone else's trailer without any sort of announcment of their own; they were shown off and formally announced by Sakurai himself when showing off gameplay of returning veterans.

So I ask you people does it makes sense to show a BRAND NEW CHARACTER at the end of another newcomer, I think not.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheStinger
Understand the concept of one now? Good.
Now learn the concept of these while you're at it:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SequelHook
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CliffHanger
The idea that Dark Pit "came to crash Palutena's party" with the trailer ending there implies there's more to the story than what we're being shown.
This isn't necessarily a sign that Dark Pit is going to be playable as well, I'm not arguing that. What I AM arguing is that it's too quick to make bold assumptions when there's more to the story yet to be told.

Look what happened to TOM NOOK people expected him because he was shown at the end of Villager's trailer, I can understand people expecting Ridley because that was a questionable shadow, but A BRAND NEW CHARACTER showed the way DP was that is anticlimatic

...Tom Nook was not at the end of Villager's trailer. He was in the beginning with many other AC characters as Villager is running off somewhere for an (when the trailer was first seen) unexplained reason.
There was nothing setting up for a future announcement (regardles of whether it's as a separate character or not) like with the ending of Palutena's trailer.
And don't even get me started on Ridley.

That part was a tribute to KIU chapter 1, he might be playable as a separate character for Pit but that hadn't been Sakurai style to show a NEWCOMER, that is not even considered a teaser Dark Pit was fully shown.

....A tribute to Chapter 1? As in, before Dark Pit came into existance? What?
Don't tell me it's because Medusa brought up Pit and Palutena "crashing her homecoming party"....SMH....
Also, don't try to tell me what is and what isn't Sakurai's style as if you know. This is the same man that hid R.O.B. under our very noses in Brawl by dressing him as a Digimon and had R.O.B. minions make people believe he was disconfirmed.

I am a great KI fan and I think the more of it in Smash the better but I don't see why this is treated as a "teaser" for a playable character when Sakurai has never done that in the past, so it could happen but let's look objetive at the evidence and not to our personal hopes.

Sakurai has never done a lot a things in the past that he's doing now.
I mean, you're claiming Sakurai's never done a "teaser" for a playable character (which is not true, but that's beside the point), when he's never done anything like what Dark Pit's appearance at the end of the trailer is for ANY character, playable or otherwise.

I will resume this: EVERY NEWCOMER has a trailer DARK PIT was SHOWN in another NEWCOMER TRAILER with no confirmation of being playable, I don't see another trailer enfoqued on Dark Pit happening when they could simply have revealed him with Palutena. Until Sakurai give us a precedent, this means little to Dark Pit

Repeating the same crap over and over doesn't make it any more true than the last time...

Until Sakurai give us a precedent that is true to what was shown in the trailer, (NEWCOMER with announcement + NEWCOMER without it) this means little to Dark Pit and yes IN THIS CASE the Mr. Game and Watch argument is valid, every NEWCOMER have had and ANNOUNCEMENT and that has been CONSTANT so no more Veteran reveals inconsistences even Miis got them in a way or another, they got them.

Again, NO VETERAN WAS SHOWN IN A TRAILER PRIOR TO THEIR REVEAL WITHOUT THEIR OWN ANNOUNCEMENT EXCEPT MR. GAME & WATCH.
So stop using the veteran excuse; IT. DOESN'T. WORK.

EDIT: for the record I am not bashing Dark Pit, he is not my favorite but don't take my claims the wrong way, my intentions are not to make people mad, I am only sharing my thoughts, and what to me is most likely

You have a real funny way of sharing your thoughts without intending to anger.

 

[Cobalsh]

You know, Dark Pit being a clone would actually be good. Why? It means the roster is probably bigger than we all think.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Yeah. Clones again. Why? (because he might as well be a costume if that's the case)

 

[FirstBlade]

You know, Dark Pit being a clone would actually be good. Why? It means the roster is probably bigger than we all think.

Please no. If that is what Dark Pit is going to be I don't want him. Sure, I know Sakurai has lied before or gone back on his word but I'm expecting him to keep that "No new clone" statement. Dark Pit is not even prominent in Nintendo history compared to the likes of Brawl's newcomer clones (Toon Link and Wolf) considering Kid Icarus only really has 3 actual games. (Myths and Monsters didn't release in Japan until 2012). This would be in even bigger kick in the face than Brawl if someone with more history/relevance is denied again. (Ridley, K. Rool, Mewtwo, etc.)

Notice relevance. Relevance is not the same thing as recency. You don't just magically become irrelevant because you haven't appeared for a while. I.e. Megaman, Pacman (for those that want to question K. Rool being listed as relevant).

EDIT: And Dark Pit only appears in one of those 3 games, I meant to put this in the first paragraph.

EDIT: I would rather have a roster of unique characters with maybe less of them than one that is blown up for size with a bunch of clones. I would've taken Dedede over most of the Melee clones TBH.

 

[dimensionsword64]

Sorry, I thought all manners of arguing were fair when you started treating exceptions like they're rules.

Just to clarify since you get defensive it seems, I have nothing against Dark Pit. But I do have something against poor logic being shot at me instead of thought out arguments.
Now, show me a newcomer being revealed without one of those screens, and then you have an argument.

Mii Fighters

 

[praline]

Nah Dark Link ain't happening.

 

[Glaciacott]

Mii Fighters

You know, this whole affair reminds me of the handful of people who treated Sandbag appearing in the Little Mac trailer like acknowledgement from Sakurai that he might be playable.

 

[BluePikmin11]

That was more of a joke than an actual newcomer reveal IMO.
Just like how the announcers at the invitational have their own screens for humorous purposes.

 

[Cobalsh]

You know, this whole affair reminds me of the handful of people who treated Sandbag appearing in the Little Mac trailer like acknowledgement from Sakurai that he might be playable.

Wait...

MegaBidoof is a person?

 

[Glaciacott]

That was more of a joke than an actual newcomer reveal IMO.
Just like how the announcers at the invitational have their own screens for humorous purposes.

Except that it was an actual newcomer.

The principle of the Mii Fighter is "anyone can fight," therefore for the screens they based the puns and names on the highly requested silly fighters that would have otherwise not existed. IN any case, we're still talking about a newcomer receiving that screen.

 

[dimensionsword64]

You know, this whole affair reminds me of the handful of people who treated Sandbag appearing in the Little Mac trailer like acknowledgement from Sakurai that he might be playable.

That's just a fun thing to show you can basically play as anyone. An actual screen for Mii Fighters would have the Mii Fighters artwork, and would say Mii Fighters.
Also, in most newcomer trailers, they show a small cutscene, then have the introduction screen. The Mii's had a cutscene-gameplay mix, then they skipped the intro screen and stated, "Miis are playable."

 

[Glaciacott]

That's just a fun thing to show you can basically play as anyone. An actual screen for Mii Fighters would have the Mii Fighters artwork, and would say Mii Fighters.
Also, in most newcomer trailers, they show a small cutscene, then have the introduction screen. The Mii's had a cutscene-gameplay mix, then they skipped the intro screen and stated, "Miis are playable."

Oh, so it's not valid because it didn't fit the specific criteria you carry with you.

But let's skip the red herring and get back to the point .. And your point is? How does any of this make a point towards Dark Pit being playable?
He didn't have his video, his intro screen, and he was named and shown in another newcomer's introduction. I don't understand why everyone here is arguing about Game and Watch and Miis and Charizard when the bottom line is that the evidence overwhelmingly points to Dark Pit not being playable.

Yes, we don't know, but again, the evidence is overwhelmingly against it.

And btw, Burigu wasn't "intending to anger," it may be more of the case that people here are getting needlessly defensive and dismissing anything that flies in the face of their wild hopes.