People, there WILL be more Mario reps

[nobletoast]

Square would be horrible buisnessmen if they had any involvement in this game and didn't include one of their real characters, they're practically being payed to advertise. Why waste it on a character they don't use?

A very valid point but your forgetting nintendos business arrogance.

Especially in the 90's nintendo were the bully boys of the gaming (they screwed sony out of some disc deal which spurred them into making their own gaming system which nintendo laughed off at the time - i read that in a gamespy article on the worst gaming decisions ever. An article i never seem to be able to locate as proof...maybe i was dreaming). I doubt Square would want to piss off nintendo considering how the nintendo wii is selling like hot cakes with sales above even the xbox 360 which had a year head start (im sure Halo3 pushed microsft back up though). Square have no vested interest in anything competing with Smash Bros so to lend them a character they've ALREADY lended them before for no gain is likely.

With their famous business arrogance in full swing since they have the entire casual gamers and non-gamers imaginations caught with the nintendo wii and since its gonna cost Square Enix sweet f-a to loan Geno theres no reason for him to not appear.

TBH I wouldnt be suprised if they used this oppertuinty to sell Nintendo Geno's rights back to make a bit of cash.

In conclusion if nintendo wants him in....hes gonna be in.

 

[Shadowbolt]

In conclusion if nintendo wants him in....hes gonna be in.

I like this guy!

*hands over Logic Award*

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

1) Some of you seem to think only from a business perspective and I doubt even half of you are qualified to know anything about that....

2) If you don't want to hear anything about Geno...Don't start a **** Mario thread

 

[GreatClayMonkey]

NO! You may say people say there are to many mario reps but there are. Many people dont even realise that waluigi has only been in mario sports game so he dosent deserve it. Birdo should in my opinion remain part of the stage. Daisy is the same as peach. The only re-motley good choice is geno but hes third party therefore not technically part of mario.

 

[volbound1700]

Dr. Mario and Luigi? That is two more. Dr. Mario sounds laughable but could happen.

 

[Shadowbolt]

NO! You may say people say there are to many mario reps but there are. Many people dont even realise that waluigi has only been in mario sports game so he dosent deserve it. Birdo should in my opinion remain part of the stage. Daisy is the same as peach. The only re-motley good choice is geno but hes third party therefore not technically part of mario.

So very wrong, you make baby rabbits cry. That's how sad it is. >_>

Geno's only ever been in Mario games. Thus, he's a Mario character.

 

[Knyaguy]

i would like as mario reps(not including the ones we have already)

1. Bowser Jr.
2. Koopa Troopa
3. Foreman Spike
4. Waluigi

 

[volbound1700]

How come nobody mentions Kamek, he has been pretty popular in the series since SMW2.

 

[frankisvital]

PsychoIncarnate... you use... ellipses... way... too much...

You're also... overestimating Geno's chances... Just because... everyone on... Sma...shboards is in... love with... him... doesn't mean... that every... mainstream gamer... does... Now don't... get me... wrong... he'd be... a very... original and... welcome addition... to the... Smash roster... just......................

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[Luke Groundwalker]

Where is your proof of this? That's right you have none, you never do but your opinion is fact of cours. Not once have you given me any proof at all when I asked for it, you just ignore it when I ask, no you just flame me on other points where I express my opinions and the general consensus from what I can tell.

Sakurai's poll is proof enough.

Many of my friends both on the internet and irl have played Super Mario RPG, and know well and wide who Geno is even if they played it years ago. From that experience, that's simply and personally enough for me to see how popular Geno is.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

PsychoIncarnate... you use... ellipses... way... too much...

You're also... overestimating Geno's chances... Just because... everyone on... Sma...shboards is in... love with... him... doesn't mean... that every... mainstream gamer... does... Now don't... get me... wrong... he'd be... a very... original and... welcome addition... to the... Smash roster... just......................

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I can believe any character I want is in...the only problem with Geno is that whole Square thing which people doubt him for which can be fixed a number of ways.

I know what people estimate his chances are...But I don't believe in those estimated chances because it's not based on anything other than assumptions...

What is considered a "Mainstream gamer"?

 

[Youkai Master]

DK, Diddy and Wario are NOT Mario representatives, they're their own franchise... Yoshi though, I agree is pretty much still Mario.

And while there certainly could be more Mario characters, expecting 9-13 is unrealistic... same with the roster at 45-50. The most I could see would be two new ones, Geno and Bowser Jr., others would just be stupid generic enemies or filler characters...

 

[nobletoast]

An argument against Genos inclusion i have seen brought up is the agrument that

"Why would Square Enix lend nintndo a character they cant make money off in future endavours since they never use Geno".

Well it has just occured to me that after smash and after his profile and reputation is considerable raised that Square Enix could use Geno in a future game made by them.

Just something i though id throw out since ive never heard the idea before.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

I really wish for Hammer Bro to be playable, but unfortunately he's an AT. Hammer Bro deserves a lot better!!!

 

[ElvishSpirit]

@PsychoIncarnate

I didnt mean to start a Geno war thread. The ONLY thing I said about Geno is that I used him as am example. I guess nobody can even speak of Geno anymore cause as SOON as he is mentioned, "ZOMG HE SAY TEH GENO!!!!! SPAM SPAM SPAM FLAME FLAME FLAME!!!111" It is quite riditulous.

@Youkai Master

Um..............ya Wario should be counted as a Mario Rep. He didnt star in his own freakin game until Warioware. Before that, he was in the Land games and Sports/Karts. And yes I am aware of Warioland, but that is just a spinoff of Mario basicly. In Warioware he started his own type of game.

Sorry if I sound pissed but between my thread turning into Geno Wars and the Lucas/Ness arguements...................

 

[Shadowbolt]

Elvish, truth be told, I couldn't care less about you not enjoying the ton of Geno debate. To say that would be to say that you're completely disregarding his popularity for your own causes.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

1. Wario is his own rep for WarioWare
2. Yoshi has a different icon b/c he represents Yoshi's Island series
3. DK and Diddy are Donkey Kong characters, although they do star in Mario games

This would explain why there are different icons for these characters.

 

[ElvishSpirit]

Elvish, truth be told, I couldn't care less about you not enjoying the ton of Geno debate. To say that would be to say that you're completely disregarding his popularity for your own causes.

Well what bugs me is THIS IS NOT A GENO THREAD. Look at it this way - I made this topic to almost SUPPORT Geno even thou I don't. I simply just wanted to make a statement and talk about the number of Mario charaters - and some are doing that and I thank you. Others are going off topic and BOOM! Its the Geno Wars!

 

[Shadowbolt]

Well what bugs me is THIS IS NOT A GENO THREAD. Look at it this way - I made this topic to almost SUPPORT Geno even thou I don't. I simply just wanted to make a statement and talk about the number of Mario charaters - and some are doing that and I thank you. Others are going off topic and BOOM! Its the Geno Wars!

So if someone wants Geno, but too many people have already mentioned him, they can't say anything? Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.

The topic is about Mario characters. Geno is blatantly the most popular choice. You can't force people to talk about characters they don't want. =_=

 

[ElvishSpirit]

So if someone wants Geno, but too many people have already mentioned him, they can't say anything? Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.

The topic is about Mario characters. Geno is blatantly the most popular choice. You can't force people to talk about characters they don't want. =_=

...................ok, fine. You are not getting the point. I understand people want Geno. And I understand this is about Mario reps. But I hate the fact everyone is argueing back and forth about Geno when this topic just breifly mentions him. See what I mean?

And for the record, I hate Geno and don't want him in, but it isnt why I want people to stop. I wouldnt care if it was Paper Mario (which I full heartedly support) I would still ask people to stop aruging in a thread that just mentions him. Geno here is like Tom Nook at the Nintendo forums. Everyone dared not even to mention Nook, or else as soon as someone else did, it would be like a virus and all of a sudden half the topics would be about Nook.

But, whatever. I don't really care anymore. Go ahead talk about anybody you want.

edit: and incase you noticed, people right now arnt just "mentioning" Geno is this thread.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well this is a Mario character rep discussion basically and Geno is one of the favorite to get in...

...I don't really know why you hate Geno...Do you have any specific actually reason or are you just irrational?


Also, I still don't like the idea of just alternate versions of other characters that are already in the game...

 

[raphtmarqui]

Also, I still don't like the idea of just alternate versions of other characters that are already in the game...

U dont know how much i agree with that.

 

[thejbr12]

Well this is a Mario character rep discussion basically and Geno is one of the favorite to get in...

...I don't really know why you hate Geno...Do you have any specific actually reason or are you just irrational?


Also, I still don't like the idea of just alternate versions of other characters that are already in the game...

Psycho, I just want to say that I overuse the ellipse too any there's nothing wrong with that... Fight the "complete thought" power!

To get back on topic I'll run through my opinions on more Mario characters...

1. Geno. I don't care either way, as I've said, but I'll do a quick rundown. He has the popularity, he's unique, he could have a unique moveset, and he's important to a popular game. He may be third-party, but I can see several situations where SE would let Nintendo use him. I'd give him a 40% chance.

2. Bowser, Jr. I'd like this character. He's NOT a clone (he's basically Bowser's son, especially according to Sunshine). I can see a unique moveset (using the paintbrush, and maybe shadow Mario). I'd give Jr. a 50% shot, especially since I have him on my personal roster.

3. Paper Mario. He could definitely be unique, BUT he's Mario. He IS Mario. If I'm wearing a hat, I'm me with a hat on. Despite this, I can see Sakurai replacing Dr. Mario (Mario with a coat on) with Paper Mario (a totally different Mario). 25%

4. Daisy. Not happening. Alt costume for Peach. 0%

5. Waluigi. People tend to hate Waluigi because... well he's kinda dumb. I don't like his possible movesets either. 5%

6. Plum. Not happening. 0%

7. Koopa Trooper/Paratrooper. Hammer Bro is an AT, so these guys are out. 1% chance, but a good chance of being ATs.

8. Goomba. 0%.

9. Mallow. If Geno gets in Mallow has a chance. Just use the same logic as Mario and Luigi, Lucas and Ness, and Fox and Falco. 5% Possible AT

10. Birdo. There are 3 Mario characters in line before Birdo, so I really doubt her chances. Hopefully she'll be an AT. 5%

In conclusion, I see everyone from Melee being in it again (except Dr. Mario) and then Bowser Jr. being added and, if there's 1 more, Geno.

 

[Enigma14]

Luigi and Geno

Mallow as a AT

 

[prettymanfairy]

Psycho, I just want to say that I overuse the ellipse too any there's nothing wrong with that... Fight the "complete thought" power!

To get back on topic I'll run through my opinions on more Mario characters...

1. Geno. I don't care either way, as I've said, but I'll do a quick rundown. He has the popularity, he's unique, he could have a unique moveset, and he's important to a popular game. He may be third-party, but I can see several situations where SE would let Nintendo use him. I'd give him a 40% chance.

2. Bowser, Jr. I'd like this character. He's NOT a clone (he's basically Bowser's son, especially according to Sunshine). I can see a unique moveset (using the paintbrush, and maybe shadow Mario). I'd give Jr. a 50% shot, especially since I have him on my personal roster.

3. Paper Mario. He could definitely be unique, BUT he's Mario. He IS Mario. If I'm wearing a hat, I'm me with a hat on. Despite this, I can see Sakurai replacing Dr. Mario (Mario with a coat on) with Paper Mario (a totally different Mario). 25%

4. Daisy. Not happening. Alt costume for Peach. 0%

5. Waluigi. People tend to hate Waluigi because... well he's kinda dumb. I don't like his possible movesets either. 5%

6. Plum. Not happening. 0%

7. Koopa Trooper/Paratrooper. Hammer Bro is an AT, so these guys are out. 1% chance, but a good chance of being ATs.

8. Goomba. 0%.

9. Mallow. If Geno gets in Mallow has a chance. Just use the same logic as Mario and Luigi, Lucas and Ness, and Fox and Falco. 5% Possible AT

10. Birdo. There are 3 Mario characters in line before Birdo, so I really doubt her chances. Hopefully she'll be an AT. 5%

In conclusion, I see everyone from Melee being in it again (except Dr. Mario) and then Bowser Jr. being added and, if there's 1 more, Geno.

Who in heavens name is Plum?

 

[Mandalore]

There has to be more Mario reps, but I can't think of any good ones. The only one that pops to mind of having a good chance at making it in is Geno, no matter how much I hate to admit it. I don't really like Bowser Jr, but he'd be a good choice as well.

Of course, this isn't including generic characters because I don't really enjoy those ones.

 

[thejbr12]

Who in heavens name is Plum?

Lol, that girl in the purple shirt from mario golf 64. There were several "regular" characters, including Harry, Maple, Sonny, and Charlie. I included Plum because I see her as the most popular of that group ("Plum" being a joke because Mario is a plumber) and I wanted there to be 10... I guess it was a waste considering I gave her 0%...

 

[xianfeng]

Especially in the 90's nintendo were the bully boys of the gaming (they screwed sony out of some disc deal which spurred them into making their own gaming system which nintendo laughed off at the time - i read that in a gamespy article on the worst gaming decisions ever. An article i never seem to be able to locate as proof...maybe i was dreaming). I doubt Square would want to piss off nintendo considering how the nintendo wii is selling like hot cakes with sales above even the xbox 360 which had a year head start (im sure Halo3 pushed microsft back up though). Square have no vested interest in anything competing with Smash Bros so to lend them a character they've ALREADY lended them before for no gain is likely.

If by buisness Arrogance you mean Buisness Stupidity than this can only mean bad things for Geno's chances. SE is backing the PS3 more than any other console and that won't change just because it's failing.

In conclusion if nintendo wants him in....hes gonna be in.

I doubt it. You think too highly of Nintendo's buisness skills. I mean during the gamecube era (from here on out I'm speaking from an Australian standpoint) they stopped all advertising, they cancelled the Nintendo magazine. At least in Australia Nintendo are horrible buisness people.
Also passing up on Sony's offer was the most stupid thing Nintendo has ever done! The PS became a huge hit! If they accepted that offer than the Gamecube wouldn't have been the flop that it was!

Geno's only ever been in Mario games. Thus, he's a Mario character.

Geno's owned by Square Enix. Thus, he's a Square Enix character.

How come nobody mentions Kamek, he has been pretty popular in the series since SMW2.

What has he been in since SMW2?

Sakurai's poll is proof enough.

No it isn't.

Many of my friends both on the internet and irl have played Super Mario RPG, and know well and wide who Geno is even if they played it years ago. From that experience, that's simply and personally enough for me to see how popular Geno is.

So a very minute fraction of gamers is proof enough of how popular Geno is too you?

Well it has just occured to me that after smash and after his profile and reputation is considerable raised that Square Enix could use Geno in a future game made by them.

If SE had any intrest of using him they would have put him in Mario Hoops 3 on 3.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Why do you have so much passion against a character that's as cool and unique as Geno?

 

[xianfeng]

Because I don't like him. He's overrated, I think he's annoying and cliche. I also hate how his fanbase drastically overestimates his chances.

 

[volbound1700]

Again I Repeat... Why Isn't Anyone Mentioning Kamek As A Possible Character?

 

[The Subspace Muffin]

I'm surprised people mention Toad so little. I mean, I can see why considering he's 99.9% deconfirmed, but he would've been a great character... I mean, name the 5 characters in Super Mario Bros. They are Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, and... Toad. And he was playable in SMB2. And he served an even bigger purpose in SMB3 than SMB. And he's had a big presence ever since, hosting Mario Party, participating in almost all the sports spin-offs, and just being there... it's just undeniable that Toad has a MUCH bigger presence in the Mario series than Paper Mario, Bowser Jr., and (of course) Geno.

But I guess that's a completely different discussion, since we all know Toad isn't gonna be in SSBB, for whatever reason...

And I still don't get the whole Geno thing... I mean, what's the difference between Geno and, say, Dimentio? They've both been in one game, and they both were... cool, for lack of a better word (of course, I've never played SMRPG, I'm just taking everyone's word). But I'd be crazy to say Dimentio should be in Brawl, however great of a character he was.

Of course, there was one guy in this thread who said Dimentio should be in Brawl... and I don't see the difference between Dimentio and Geno, except Geno is much older. But I guess here's what I really want to ask:

Does everybody like Geno so much, or just the small minority of people on this forum?

And I'm not trying to bash the Geno idea or anything. I'm sure he was a great character. I was just surprised by his huge popularity.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Because I don't like him. He's overrated, I think he's annoying and cliche. I also hate how his fanbase drastically overestimates his chances.

Kinda like another character who actually did get in...

Geno's not annoying OR cliche...but that's besides the point...

...We don't overestimate his chances...Your just seeing support as overestimation...Support is the only thing that kept him alive and it may get him into Brawl...who knows...definetly not you or me...

 

[RBinator]

I can't really I really care about Geno. I never even heard of him till a couple of years ago when everyone started talking about what characters they wanted in "SSBR". Having not played the game he's form and thus not getting a chance to really know the character, I likely wouldn't care if he were in or out. Even if I were to play Super Mario RPG today, it wouldn't be the same then if I played it 12 years ago.

4. Paper Mario is not just an another form of Mario, and no offence, but whoever think and has play Paper Mario (Any of the three) really should take brain medicine. Same with Bowser Jr. Does Bowser have a paintbrush?

Actually, I have played and beaten the first two Paper Mario games and I still see Paper Mario as another form of Mario. I think he's the most unique and has quite a bit of different moves, but at the same time, he's still Mario. Basically, the way I see it, it would be like having two of the same character with different moves. I sort of feel that way about ZSS. I rather not take brain medicine, but that line is sure great flame bait for a topic you're tired of people having flame wars in discussing Geno.

So, wanna actually explain why Paper Mario isn't just another form of Mario, in a civil matter or not?

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

No it isn't.

Yeah it does. I'm f-cking serious. I'm literally getting sick and f-cking tired of your idiocy and f-ggotry. It literally p-sses me off to have to explain something constantly to you. What are you, a f-cking ****** or something, seriously?

Sakurai's poll IS proof. Why? It's simple common sense. It determines what characters people want the most, and how popular they are. It was a Japan only thing, but that hardly matters. Nintendo is a f-cking Japanese company, Sakurai is a Japanese guy, who hardly gives a sh-t on the opinion of America in terms of who should be in the roster. Geno was literally ranked up as high as Ridley and Ike in the list (and don't bring up the "Link's Uncle and Blue Pill was on the list too!" thing because that's complete sh-t, obviously Sakurai hardly cared much about the character compared to, you know, ones that were on TOP of the list like Geno, Ridley, and Ike), and got the most responses by Sakurai himself, showing that he was just as interested in Geno as he was Ike and Ridley, one of them already confirmed.

Yes, either you f-cking like it or not, Sakurai's poll DOES determine if certain characters have a god d-mn chance or not. Geno is extremely popular worldwide, which shows by his huge, but cult, fanbase all over the internet on just about every gaming and Mario-based site. Geno has a lot more of a chance than a sh-tty character like Bowser Jr., Waluigi, Daisy, or any other Mario character. Get that in your f-cking head for once.

 

[The Subspace Muffin]

I was always under the impression that Sakurai did care quite a bit about America when it came to SSBB... he even said it himself once or twice. And that explains Ike. If he didn't care about America, Ike would not be on the roster.

And, even if someone has a fanbase on the internet... is that really that important of a fanbase?

 

[xianfeng]

And I'm sick of you flaming me for no reason, you think you're so smart because you type correctly and type lots of words but your not. You get angry at people over the internet and you continue to use a word which I've asked you polietly to stop using because I find it offensive yet you continue to do it.

YOUR OPINION IS NOT FACT. Get that through your thick head! The poll had lots of characters on it, more mentions could mean something or it could not, WE DON'T KNOW! How YOU interpret it is NOT the 100% correct train of thought Sakurai had.

Geno does NOT have more chance than Bowser Jr or Paper Mario because he's 3rd Party.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

I was always under the impression that Sakurai did care quite a bit about America when it came to SSBB... he even said it himself once or twice. And that explains Ike. If he didn't care about America, Ike would not be on the roster.

No he didn't. He just said he didn't want to add too much Japan-only characters. Basically, he means, "I don't want the roster to be full of them."

And Ike represents the recent FE character, I doubt Sakurai even really thought about his American part other than being, "Oh, yeah, he's also known in America." But I'm pretty sure Ike is going to represent the current FE character spot like Roy did.

And I'm sick of you flaming me for no reason, you think you're so smart because you type correctly and type lots of words but your not. You get angry at people over the internet and you continue to use a word which I've asked you polietly to stop using because I find it offensive yet you continue to do it.

Of course I'm going to flame people, if they're going to act like f-ggots.

YOUR OPINION IS NOT FACT. Get that through your thick head! The poll had lots of characters on it, more mentions could mean something or it could not, WE DON'T KNOW! How YOU interpret it is NOT the 100% correct train of thought Sakurai had.

I dunno, apparently you say you can according to your bullsh-t facts that don't even determine if someone is in Brawl or not.

Geno does NOT have more chance than Bowser Jr or Paper Mario because he's 3rd Party.

Oh yeah, even though he's one of the most requested characters ever, when Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario aren't, must not have a chance!

 

[xianfeng]

Luke your a homophobic prick and you can go to hell for all I care, you don't care about anyone or anyone's feelings and you purposly censor bypass to make people more offended. It's just mean.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

you don't care about anyone or anyone's feelings and you purposly censor bypass to make people more offended. It's just mean.

Obviously!