PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
But not in the same significance as Ike, Ridley or Diddy...who all have a good chance of getting in...(especially the two that are)
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People, there WILL be more Mario reps
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Luke Groundwalker
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Obviously those characters aren't important. But the higher characters like Ridley and Geno, right next to Ike who was confirmed, were noticed by Sakurai the most and got actually more than one reply from him when people requested the character, showing Sakurai's actual interest in the characters.
xianfeng
Smash Hero
Geno is no where near as significant or important as Ridley, Ike or Diddy unlike Geno they hold a lot of importance in their series.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Mario RPG itself is a one game series and he does show significance in it...
...and I meant one the poll anyway
Luke Groundwalker
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Uh, Geno kinda does hold importance in the Mario series. He watches over the whole Mushroom Kingdom, has extensive knowledge on a lot of things, and most importantly protects the Star Road, a major plot point in both Super Mario RPG and the Paper Mario games.
But that's besides the point.
Since when did "lack-of-importance" guaranteed entrance? Sheik was in Melee, along with Roy and Pichu, who all had no importance in their own series at all.
xianfeng
Smash Hero
Mario RPG is not a series, it is a game in part of the mario series where Geno holds no importance.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Anyway since when is that a significant factor...other than the 3rd party part...half the roster of smash would be removed it it followed those points...
Geno was significant enough to gain a great following after 1 game in the least
WuTangDude
Smash Ace
Well, Ridley is 1st party, so Nintendo has no buisness obstacles (to my knowledge) to add him. Geno is a different story. Sure, he was ranked as high as Rildey and Ike, but Ridley has a much large rfanbase on and outside of SWF. Geno only has a strong followoing aroudn the internet...
Luke Groundwalker
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IMPORTANCE?!
THEY'RE IMPORTANT?!!
I give up, no one in Smash is important!
Obviously S-E doesn't really care if they give the rights for Geno or not when they let Geno cameo in a mini-game in Mario & Luigi RPG.
And Geno doesn't have a huge fanbase on the internet, he has a huge fanbase worldwide, period.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
SWF is not the only place that has a Geno following...I didn't even know of SWF when I first supported Geno...
...Mario RPG was the big thing back in the day too...
WuTangDude
Smash Ace
Me too. But still, Geno does not have the momentum his competitors for third-party roster spots that his competition (Sonic, Megaman, Pac Man, etc.) have. And this game, though it has a strong hardcore following., is popular and targeted to the mainstream. Their wants come first.
I feel so bad arguing against Geno. He's so awesome. But he really isn't as likely as soem imagine.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Support and belief is all that has kept Geno alive all these years...It might be the thing that gets him in Smash...Hell, if it were not for that **** 3rd party thing No one would be against Geno...well some might but not that many...Nintendo should just buy Geno...Me too. But still, Geno does not have the momentum his competitors for third-party roster spots that his competition (Sonic, Megaman, Pac Man, etc.) have. And this game, though it has a strong hardcore following., is popular and targeted to the mainstream. Their wants come first.
I feel so bad arguing against Geno. He's so awesome. But he really isn't as likely as soem imagine.
...Anyway, Smash isn't about mainsteam only...it's about the gathering of nintendo characters from it history entirely...Well know, as well as some not so...
Anyway, Geno lives in the star road, the place that grants dreams...wishing for his return may be all it takes...
Luke Groundwalker
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Haha, very cheesy.
WuTangDude
Smash Ace
I was gonna say...
But I'm sorry Psycho, Nintendo and Squar eare first and foremost buisnesses, they're in it for the cash, and that mianstream is where the money's at.
It's nice to dream though...
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
I was gonna say...
But I'm sorry Psycho, Nintendo and Squar eare first and foremost buisnesses, they're in it for the cash, and that mianstream is where the money's at.
It's nice to dream though...
Nintendo and Square care...But designers care more about their work than that...coming from personal experience in part...
Yeah, and that is what I was going for...
silver777
Smash Champion
I say No more characters from Mario, Zelda and Pokemon.
Let other series' have a chance...Like Issac, Ray, Stafy and the others....
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Let other series' have a chance...Like Issac, Ray, Stafy and the others....
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xianfeng
Smash Hero
Where is your proof of this? That's right you have none, you never do but your opinion is fact of cours. Not once have you given me any proof at all when I asked for it, you just ignore it when I ask, no you just flame me on other points where I express my opinions and the general consensus from what I can tell.
Gamefaqs and here that's it.
freeman123
Smash Lord
I don't even count Geno as a 3rd party character. I think Square allows Nintendo to use him whenever they want, as long as they credit them for creating him. I find it hard to believe that Nintendo went out of their way to get permission to use Geno in the brief appearance he made in M&L.Me too. But still, Geno does not have the momentum his competitors for third-party roster spots that his competition (Sonic, Megaman, Pac Man, etc.) have. And this game, though it has a strong hardcore following., is popular and targeted to the mainstream. Their wants come first.
I feel so bad arguing against Geno. He's so awesome. But he really isn't as likely as soem imagine.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Hell, I didn't even know Gamefaqs had anything to do with Smash or any of that until I came to this site
xianfeng
Smash Hero
So? How is that relevant?
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Obviously since I knew of either place and I know people that like Geno...they aren't only there
xianfeng
Smash Hero
I was listing the places that had Geno support for Brawl here and Gamefaqs, and at both places it seems the hate base is just as big as the fan base.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
The majority of the Hate base never played video games until after Super Nintendo or never played Mario RPG anyway and a lot of other wouldn't mind Geno if he wasn't 3rd party...
The only reason people don't like Geno in the first place is they haven't played his game or they want their 3rd party repped instead.
Anyway, as I said...If I had never been to either of those sites and I supported Geno, as well as people that do...then those places aren't the only places that have Geno support.
freeman123
Smash Lord
So what's your point?
xianfeng
Smash Hero
Well we can assume that some people are the opposite then, have never been to either of those places and oppose Geno. I personally don't want him because that means there would be another Square Character and that would waste a third party slot.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
No one said there would have to be another Square character...that is only an assumption by you...
freeman123
Smash Lord
There aren't "third party slots". They could put as many 3rd party characters as they want. When Sakurai said that there'd be around 2 to 3 3rd party characters, he was guessing that that's how many there'd be. He wasn't saying that more than that would defy the laws of physics and make the game explode.
It's not like Sakurai would get an opportunity to use Megaman and say "Ah crap! I can't, because all the 3rd party slots are filled up!"
If I'm throwing a party, and I say I'm expecting 15 people to come, if a 16th person shows up I'm not going to slam the door in their face. That's completely stupid.
If Geno's in the game, it doesn't mean that "X Character" would have been in if Geno didn't get in. It just means that "X Character" and Geno both wouldn't have been in if Geno didn't get in.
I don't expect you to follow that logic, but hopefully most people will.
xianfeng
Smash Hero
Square would be horrible buisnessmen if they had any involvement in this game and didn't include one of their real characters, they're practically being payed to advertise. Why waste it on a character they don't use?
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ElvishSpirit
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GEEZ! WHat happened to this thread?!?!?! Geno wars and Paper Mario wars! noooooo
OK, lets me make a few things clear.
1. All of you act as thou I support Waluigi/Daisy. I DON'T. The point of this thread for ANY Mario suggstion is that too many mario reps isn't a reason.
2. Same thing for Paper Mario. I infact DO support Paper Mario (Alot Actually) but I didn't put him! They are just examples people! Get it through your firey minds and stop flaming!
3. Ok, ok, ok, fine. DK and Diddy arnt exactly Mario. THATS WHY A SEPERATED THE MARIO ICON AND NOT MARIO ICONS. And yes, I had plenty right to count Yoshi and Wario. If you think Yoshi and Wario shouldnt be counted in, take your brain medicine. Just quit talking about it.
4. Paper Mario is not just an another form of Mario, and no offence, but whoever think and has play Paper Mario (Any of the three) really should take brain medicine. Same with Bowser Jr. Does Bowser have a paintbrush?
I'm not even going to mention Geno because quite flankly, I'm SICK to my STOMACH hearing about him.
OK, lets me make a few things clear.
1. All of you act as thou I support Waluigi/Daisy. I DON'T. The point of this thread for ANY Mario suggstion is that too many mario reps isn't a reason.
2. Same thing for Paper Mario. I infact DO support Paper Mario (Alot Actually) but I didn't put him! They are just examples people! Get it through your firey minds and stop flaming!
3. Ok, ok, ok, fine. DK and Diddy arnt exactly Mario. THATS WHY A SEPERATED THE MARIO ICON AND NOT MARIO ICONS. And yes, I had plenty right to count Yoshi and Wario. If you think Yoshi and Wario shouldnt be counted in, take your brain medicine. Just quit talking about it.
4. Paper Mario is not just an another form of Mario, and no offence, but whoever think and has play Paper Mario (Any of the three) really should take brain medicine. Same with Bowser Jr. Does Bowser have a paintbrush?
I'm not even going to mention Geno because quite flankly, I'm SICK to my STOMACH hearing about him.
nobletoast
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Donkey Kong and Diddy arnt Mario reps they just feature in the sports games.
Mario originated from a donkey kong game...i sumbit to you that Mario is a donkey kong rep.
As for mario suggestions.....Bowser Jr and Geno are the obvious ones but im also for Paper Mario, Professor E Gradd, Count Bleck or even Mallow as unconventonal reps.
Mario originated from a donkey kong game...i sumbit to you that Mario is a donkey kong rep.
As for mario suggestions.....Bowser Jr and Geno are the obvious ones but im also for Paper Mario, Professor E Gradd, Count Bleck or even Mallow as unconventonal reps.
volbound1700
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Forgetting more DK characters possible: Dixie or King K Rool
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Three simple facts, folks.
1. Geno is THE most requested Mario rep of all. THE. Period.
2. Geno is one of the most requested characters for Brawl overall. Period.
3. Regardless of ownership, Sakurai considers Geno first-party. He's from a MARIO game. Doesn't matter who owns him - if Sakurai feels like making an exception to his own rule, then he **** well can. And if he goes by his own poll, then Geno certainly seems a hell of a lot more likely than other potential Mario reps.
1. Geno is THE most requested Mario rep of all. THE. Period.
2. Geno is one of the most requested characters for Brawl overall. Period.
3. Regardless of ownership, Sakurai considers Geno first-party. He's from a MARIO game. Doesn't matter who owns him - if Sakurai feels like making an exception to his own rule, then he **** well can. And if he goes by his own poll, then Geno certainly seems a hell of a lot more likely than other potential Mario reps.
ElvishSpirit
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1. Paper Mario has the same popularity, and you know it. And Bowser Jr also. PERIOD.
2. Um........ok.
3.You ARE talking about Geno, correct? Ha. Overall, I would assume a main charater of 3 games (Paper Mario) and a supporting AND main villain (Bowser Jr) would be more likely than a supporting charater in 1 game 10 years ago owned by A THRID PARTY COMPANY. Sakurai is not god, he dosen't call the shots to something like that, it is Square Enix. Do you see Geno in Mario sports? If you would, then maybe it would be different. Sure, Geno has a chance, if Square approves.
nobletoast
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Your third point is valid but Geno really is the most popular choice for a mario rep in Brawl.
1. He was joint second in Sakurais poll with the already confirmed Diddy Kong and Ike as well as Ridley. And behind only King DeeDee.
2. Look at all the Geno for SSBB sigs around here compared to the Paper Mario and Bowser Jr.
Geno is by far the most popular choice with fans who post on forums and follow the updates of smash. However to casual gamers unaware with the Super Mario RPG then it's probably another story.
It'l be interesting which of the big three actually make it - Geno, Bowser Jr and Paper Mario.
Yukiwarashi
Smash Champion
Can someone point me to where Sakurai said Geno wouldn't be a third party character? Because frankly, as I've said in MANY other topics, it makes no sense. Geno is owned by Square-Enix, not Nintendo, so how would that make Geno a first party character?
Link Sharingan
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there more mario characters like Roy,Wendy,Morton,Iggy,ect
nope paper mario it just another mario game
nobletoast
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He was included on the poll Sakurai conducted on the japanese smash bros website. I think people dont count him as third party is because he originated from a mario game. Unlike Mega Man or Sonic etc.
However Mega Man, Sora and James Bond did also appear on the poll and i dont see people saying James Bond is a second party choice.
I personaly think Geno has a huge chance after his placing on the poll. Theres no logical reason for Square to not give nintendo permission. Its not like they have vested interests in any competitive game and have been rebuilding bridges with nintendo alot over recent years.....its of note that Geno did also feature in a gameboy mario rpg at the end (i forget which one, im sure someone around here knows).
Third Party characters like Mega Man and Sonic still release alot of games on most consoles and people want to sepperate Geno from that group.
Back On Topic: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Supermariobros.jpg Bob Hoskins mario for new mario representative.
I fully agree. If SE is smart they would either give Nintendo a character that has a possibility of another game (thus FREE advertising), or give them Geno AND a character that has a possibility of another game. Why advertise a character you aren't gonna use again? I can understand why IC got in, it's Nintendo's own people and they don't NEED to advertise with every character, but if you're SE and you're only gonna get 1 or 2 brawl spots you wouldn't waste them, no matter how much people want them.
What percentage of people who buy Brawl will know that Geno is made by SE? How many will even care? And how many, out of that, will buy an SE game BECAUSE Geno is in Brawl? Would you?
Personally, I don't care if Geno gets in, and I don't care if he doesn't. If he does, YAY new character with unique moves! If he doesn't, YAY some other character with unique moves got in. (Just letting everyone know I'm neutral, justing making a point from a business point of view).