KosukeKGA
Smash Champion
Glendale, AZ
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People Mover Az Melee/Brawl Tourney!!!(UPDATED)
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Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
Quite honestly, I'd rather have the freeze glitch allowed. It's harder to start up, and they can both be used to infinitely stall the game or rack up damage to insta-death percents.
rugoodat
Smash Journeyman
MK is gay but no need for a ban. He gets easier once you know what to do against him.
Freeze glitch CANNOT be allowed. It is EASIER to set up than wobbling. I've witnessed this first hand. You know how Rob does his hand offs... FREEZE GLITCH. ANY time nana grabs you, it can be a freeze glitch, if you've heard about Cort's match against PC where he was "recovering" and freeze glitched PC across the stage. That is intentional. Wobbling requires a more active pressence than freeze glitch comboing.
I strongly urge you to keep it banned.
I strongly urge you to keep it banned.
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
ban ice climbers!
Piman34
Smash Lord
well maybe not ban mk, cuz then it wouldn't be any fun beating him lol, go pikachu!
RenegadeRaven
Smash Ace
Don't ban Mk otherwise Shifter might not get anywhere in the tourney. <3
MIGHT be able to bring a cube if I come. I don't think I can make it to Glendale for this thing. D=
But we'll see.
rugoodat
Smash Journeyman
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Well one arguement that pro-wobbling players use is that how easy it is to do is irrelevant. We could also apply the same arguement of don't get grabbed.
In wobbling you lose control of your character. In freeze glitching you can still DI. You actually have more control when you're glitched!
In wobbling you lose control of your character. In freeze glitching you can still DI. You actually have more control when you're glitched!
KosukeKGA
Smash Champion
Duffy, in your sig, are you saying you're just a bit player in the masses?
Bad.
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And the IC's have really bad grab range...
I mean, come on...ICs are mid-tier, and Wobbling is situational. It's not like I can walk into a tournament and Wobble Mew2King all his four stocks. Someone who is extremely better than me.
Piman34
Smash Lord
i've never experienced the freeze glitch first hand, but is it something like ban wobbling and freeze glitch both, or just freeze glitch? or is it usually when wobbling is not banned, neither is freeze glitching?
i also agree with kosuke, both are kinda situational (not in getting grabbed or not, but in player ability) and shouldn't be the main focus of problems
i also agree with kosuke, both are kinda situational (not in getting grabbed or not, but in player ability) and shouldn't be the main focus of problems
KosukeKGA
Smash Champion
Both the Freeze Glitch and Wobbling have been known for a long time. But *back then* (around the time both were discovered), only Freeze Glitching was and always has been banned since its discovery. Wobbling? Not so much.
I really don't think there is anything wrong with it.
Technically speaking, if you know the IC's matchup, you really won't get Wobbled.
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Brawl Wobbling is dumb, though. That should be banned.
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
What's Brawl wobbling?
rugoodat
Smash Journeyman
There isn't one...
Unless Kosuke is talking about the hand-offs
Unless Kosuke is talking about the hand-offs
Dark Shifter
Smash Ace
at first i was
but then i :blush:
sounds good to me. i need the money
you gonna use snake or marf?anyone need a partner for doubles? pm me
KosukeKGA
Smash Champion
Yeah, that.
rugoodat
Smash Journeyman
We'll see.sounds good to me. i need the money
With wobbling you lose control of your character from the grab combo itself. The criteria specifically is Nana not being in lag of another move, being at a certain percentage so you can't break out instantly. The control the wobbler has over the other person's character is dependent upon performing the action of "wobbling" itself.
"Don't get grabbed" is absolutely correct regarding either technique, but the difference is also in the criteria. "Don't get grabbed*" for wobbling means don't get grabbed while Nana is available to "sync" with Popo. Don't get grabbed while Nana isn't caught in the lag of another move. Don't get grabbed while performing a laggy attack or jumping into something they can easily combo into grab. From my experience, I've been able to wiggle out below 40% from wobbling just because Nana happened to be stuck in another animation before I got caught, from there I can DI and eat something else or hope to escape a down throw > down air and keep my stock or die from something else, whatever.
I am fully aware of most possibilities of being Wobbled. What I want everyone to be aware of is that you have LESS time to respond to being Freeze Glitched. Freeze glitching actually gives the ICs MORE of a grace period in the "don't get grabbed" mentality. Nana can be in a laggier move, because now Popo can actually start a down throw while Nana is recovering and Nana will still have time to grab you, then you're ****ed, NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE. Ledge chain throw into wobbles at least requires an edge, but freeze glitching works as long as Nana has you. When I said how easy it was, I wasn't referring to the execution, I was referring to the OPTIONS. If anything, Wobbles himself often suggests using freeze glitch to COMBO into Wobbling.
Arguing that Freeze Glitching gives you more control is just invalid. You can DI while you're being wobbled, it's just that you're stuck in grab combo and you DI when you're smashed away. The problems with Freeze Glitching is of course DIing out of range of their grab to actually finish your stock which causes a stalling issue, freezing the victim can make a match unplayable, and of course you have ABSOLUTELY no control of your character in the absense of the opponents actions. This makes the freeze glitch the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of wobbling where despite it locking you in a grab combo until he messes it up. Freeze glitching allows the IC to control your stock at your his own leisure. You're stuck until he decides you're not stuck anymore by PRESSING a button, not by STOPPING button presses.
Freeze Glitch is something that is rightfully banned and needs to remain banned. Freeze Glitch CAN happen on accident or on purpose, Wobbling is simply never an accident. Freeze Glitching just has way more glaring problems that could have arisen during the early Melee years, but because it was banned, it wasn't necessary. Various forms of stalling, forcing match resets, it just isn't as clean as Wobbling.
Some people can Wobble for exorbitant amounts of time, of course, and it can POTENTIALLY suffer the same stalling problems, but it just hasn't happened because it actually requires the player to press a button to keep someone in it, on top of it always taking a stock. You can try to institute rules for the Freeze Glitch, but as I described, they are difficult to enforce at any major tournament. With Wobbling you can cap the percentage (300%), Freeze Glitch gives you nothing to work with against stalling, because you're stuck in the combo until they decide to let you go, IF they can let you go. You can get freeze glitched in such a way that it is impossible from the beginning. It's redundant to say, ok you lose the match if they get away, restart the match if they get frozen, etc.)
Even pro-Wobbling TOs like Neal should understand this. It's banned not just because it is "cheap" but it is something that shouldn't happen in a match, it's on another plane of lack of character control, and it something that I think should just stay in friendlies.
RenegadeRaven
Smash Ace
I see what you did there.at first i was
but then i :blush:
play more marth, he's better.
rugoodat
Smash Journeyman
This man knows whats up
RenegadeRaven
Smash Ace
yeah, started messing around with Marth a little.
But Sonic is still pro so... he's still on top.
But Sonic is still pro so... he's still on top.
b3c4auze he h4s teh sp33dz!!!11!!1!one!
KosukeKGA
Smash Champion
Ban MK. Ban Snake.
I agree on all terms.
I agree on all terms.
JustinKamikaze
Smash Ace
Snake can be countered MK not so much but if we ban MK than the people that main him will probably complain and not do so good in the tourney its just something we have to deal with
MK is the meta game of brawl
MK is the meta game of brawl
Dark Shifter
Smash Ace
why'z yall gotta be hatin on mk??!?! psh...
KosukeKGA
Smash Champion
Didn't you use to main Marth? Why don't you play him?
Dark Shifter
Smash Ace
^^
yes... i did main marth buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, i just got sick of playing him and switched to mk. haha... tier *****... i know
yes... i did main marth buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, i just got sick of playing him and switched to mk. haha... tier *****... i know
Dark Shifter
Smash Ace
eh... i might... MIGHT play a lil marth again but im not gonna go back to main him.
rugoodat
Smash Journeyman
We can be the representing Marth mains of AZ
Brandon doesn't count because he only goes to the store-credit AC tourneys.
Brandon doesn't count because he only goes to the store-credit AC tourneys.
Piman34
Smash Lord
i can represent too (but i'm not gonna get far) marf 4 lyfe
TommyDerMeister
Smash Lord
Marth is a fairy in Brawl, except when he fair>fthrow>fsmashes.
Oooo a Piece of Combo!
Oooo a Piece of Combo!
rugoodat
Smash Journeyman
Nevermind that MM Darkshifter. Let me get better first. I've been kinda mean to you....
Dark Shifter
Smash Ace
ahhhh /tear
how have you been mean to me? sayin i main mk instead of marf or have you been sayin sometin else?
/tearhow have you been mean to me? sayin i main mk instead of marf or have you been sayin sometin else?
TommyDerMeister
Smash Lord
MK+Snake would make a disgusting team.
C4 Stick->MK UpThrow on opponent->boom->Opponent+MK both die, but whatever, I get a lol out of it.
C4 Stick->MK UpThrow on opponent->boom->Opponent+MK both die, but whatever, I get a lol out of it.
jetfour
Smash Journeyman
Me and Sean pulled that off in teams and won Except most of the time I just timed it so that it would explode after they were thrown and high so that they would die and not Sean too.
Except most of the time I just timed it so that it would explode after they were thrown and high so that they would die and not Sean too.Yoko the wolf
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This sounds interesting and I would've loved to attend but I have Prom on that day so I can't abandon my date. Tai I know you'll read this so we should practice together sometime. I miss playing Melee with real people. That and I don't like the fact that I suck now.
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
maXXXpower
Smash Champion
Dark Shifter
Smash Ace
hypehypehypehype!
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