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Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!
- Thread starter Inferno3044
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SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
See, the difference is that I actually try to do stuff, but it doesn't seem to be enough for anyone here. All I remember from John D1 are that he posted silly things and didn't really do much of anything. Granted, I realize that he says he is here often and does more than he actually posts, but if he doesn't do anything in the thread it doesn't really help anyone else. I did do stuff D1, much to your disagreement. I'm doing stuff toDay, but nobody seems to realize that. But, it's whatever. I'm done trying to impress everyone with stuff. I can't push a person that is hardly here, or that won't give me anything. I'm not going to go through again and make a case on him when I already have. This game and the people in it just make me not want to do anything because the wagons switch on a whim and nobody can make up their minds.
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
I still want to know why we are focusing so hard on Rajam right now.
J, can you explain it to me?
J, can you explain it to me?
BarDulL
Town Vampire
@J - I still want a John lynch today and I'm not sold on scumRajam at all. Rajam is a big fat null and I'm ok with him claiming but I disagree with his lynch.
@Kary - Like, for example, Sang's read on me earlier in the game seemed legit. She said something along the lines that I oscillate and I'm not super consistent with how I interact with others, which is really hard for people to pick up on, so I see a level of ingenuity there that I'm not really seeing in Kary/John. Her style of play hasn't changed much either (she seems like the observant/passive type but maybe I'm completely wrong?)
@Sang - Personally I don't think Rajam is scum for what he has done so far, but Rajam has been lurking a lot and playing catch up for a majority of the game. He's pretty null right now because of how he has been playing and his slot is subsequently useless because of it.
Sang, you've made a case on John but you're not really trying to convince people to help you get him, you can't expect people to just say "ALRIGHT I'LL FOLLOW YOU" when not everyone feels the same way. I guess that's what I mean by you're passive about your pushes. You make a push and then...well, when results aren't immediate, you just kind of drop it. I.E. your Pierce push.
@Kary - Like, for example, Sang's read on me earlier in the game seemed legit. She said something along the lines that I oscillate and I'm not super consistent with how I interact with others, which is really hard for people to pick up on, so I see a level of ingenuity there that I'm not really seeing in Kary/John. Her style of play hasn't changed much either (she seems like the observant/passive type but maybe I'm completely wrong?)
@Sang - Personally I don't think Rajam is scum for what he has done so far, but Rajam has been lurking a lot and playing catch up for a majority of the game. He's pretty null right now because of how he has been playing and his slot is subsequently useless because of it.
Sang, you've made a case on John but you're not really trying to convince people to help you get him, you can't expect people to just say "ALRIGHT I'LL FOLLOW YOU" when not everyone feels the same way. I guess that's what I mean by you're passive about your pushes. You make a push and then...well, when results aren't immediate, you just kind of drop it. I.E. your Pierce push.
RAJAM DEAD YET???
SANG ****ING VOTE HIM AND DO DO SOMETHING FOR ONCE IN THIS GAME MAN WE SHOULDVE KILLED YOU AT LEAST JOHN TRIES
wow no. this **** is why i hate you this game and why you shouldve been shot long ago
we dont need more from chibo OR seph. they are protown. this has been established a longass ****ing time ago. we just need to kill rajam and NOT give him a million chances to wiggle out of a lynch for "LOL REACTIONS AND PRESSURE". you dont ****ing pressure people by telling them youre pressuring them. removes all bite. we are voting him to lynch and your 20 questions approach just allows people to wiggle out of lynches and have others change their minds
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
I've said this before and I'll say it again. I'm not all that positive that John is scum and I want to see more from him before I legitimately try to push for his lynch. I've tried to get information from him but he's not really free with it. With the Pierce push, I wasn't trying to get people behind me at the beginning and then I just lost sight of it when Kary and you came into question. I pushed that read to the back later on so I could see what he did toDay and I now have a leaning town read on him. I don't expect people to just follow me, but I haven't really pushed anyone so I don't really expect it.
So just kill me, then. I don't really care. Thanks for that jab at me. I give up.SANG ****ING VOTE HIM AND DO DO SOMETHING FOR ONCE IN THIS GAME MAN WE SHOULDVE KILLED YOU AT LEAST JOHN TRIES
But, no, I will not be voting him. Here's why:
I went back to re-read Rajam and, I have to say, I don't see anything scummy by him. Sure, he's been behind a bit, but he's been posting some pretty good stuff. He's made good reads and good comments, and he's brought up things that were relevant and usefull (like his 1279 or the Ronike and Kary thing he brought up recently). He initially brought up a lot of pressure and questions onto Ronike, and he had suspicion on adumb as well. I really don't see Rajam-scum, and, after that ISO, I now have a leaning town read on him. If you really want me to vote him, you'll have to convince me, because I don't see it. Maybe I'm missing something.
Btw, before anyone makes a comment about how I only did this because it was asked of me, no, I did this for myself. Marshy just happened to make this post right before I was going to make mine.
I'll get back to who I think should be pushed after I get back from dinner with my dad.
seph please come in here and vote rajam. otherwise this town will just allow him to talk his way out of this lynch
BarDulL
Town Vampire
Rajam was online today too. /salt.
BarDulL
Town Vampire
Rajam, claaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaim.
please bardull vote him please
asking for a claim is foolish. the ONLY role that he can claim at this point which would save him is mason. kill him without a claim
BarDulL
Town Vampire
.....
I don't want this game to stagnate (which is the direction it's heading in) but I really do see some benefit in waiting for Rajam to claim, otherwise I'd have hammered a while ago. Like, what if he claims Mario? I'd feel pretty silly hammering on him with a Mario claim.
I'm up for lynching John though if you're up for it. :D.
Otherwise I gotta stay firm on this Marsh. Besides, we have 6 whole days before deadline, why are you rushing this so much? o_O
theres likely one scum left
by asking for claims you are just telling scum
"hey here is a free pass out of the lynch. just claim cop or doctor and your garbageass play all game will go unexcused despite you being one of the best plays weve got"
if there is no cop or doc it just allows scum to win on a fakeclaim hen they should be analyzed SOLELY on play minus a verifiable role such as tree stump or mason
cannot believe the resistance to a rajam lynch. me/j/bardull/chibo/seph/pierce = nonplays
that leaves
john/sang/kary/rajam
the first 2 already wagoned and town *****ed out both times. kary...meh. just lynch rajam and be done with this day
by asking for claims you are just telling scum
"hey here is a free pass out of the lynch. just claim cop or doctor and your garbageass play all game will go unexcused despite you being one of the best plays weve got"
if there is no cop or doc it just allows scum to win on a fakeclaim hen they should be analyzed SOLELY on play minus a verifiable role such as tree stump or mason
cannot believe the resistance to a rajam lynch. me/j/bardull/chibo/seph/pierce = nonplays
that leaves
john/sang/kary/rajam
the first 2 already wagoned and town *****ed out both times. kary...meh. just lynch rajam and be done with this day
cuz rajam NEEDS to die and allowing him to claim just gives town an opportunity to lose focus and allow him to live which would be terrible bardull. it doesnt matter tht we have 6 days left. weve got our play and dont need to waste our lives discussing forever which just allows scum to wiggle out of the noose
something that intrigues me: kary has pushed targets that town generally doesnt give a **** about lynching more than anyone else. this seems to fit the model of scum trying to scrounge up whatever they can to survive. at the same time he also had terrible targets in the last game i played with him til late game where he improved
taking it as a null tell for now i guess
taking it as a null tell for now i guess
BarDulL
Town Vampire
That's true, but claiming Doc/Cop in this set up is a huge risk for scum...granted they'd need to take a huge risk to get out of this mess anyway considering 2 scum are dead. Not buying the "wasting our lives" tangent, I think you're just really ****ing impatient. Lol.
J, what do you think? Should I hammer?
J, what do you think? Should I hammer?
im surprised bardulls asking why im pushing so hard. when ive got a play i want i push thats all. it seems like i go over the top with these things cuz yeah ive already made my decision and do everything i can to make it happen. same thing i did with defending bardull d1 and fighting os all day
BarDulL
Town Vampire
There's a difference between hard-defending me and rushing for a lynch when we've got 6 days to work with, mang.
doesnt matter. lynch
Bardull, Rajam is at L-2 so you can't really hammer him but setting him up for a hammer would be fine and all imo and also L-1 is even more reason for someone to claim which is what you want too. Plus Rajam has had plenty of time to post something because he views the thread a lot but doesn't post at all which is just "....." all together.
Getting to Sang in a different post.
Getting to Sang in a different post.
#HBC | Kary
Fiend of Fire
I had given up on pressuring Rajam by the time he'd viewed like 3 times over the course of a day and not bothered to say anything. It's still interesting to see what people do -for instance Sang's refusal to vote for Rajam, but John hopping straight on the waggon.
Obviously we have very different methods, but i'd rather try and get a little more from today before we kill one of John/Sang/Rajam. It seems a bit like you're blaming me for people 'escaping' from lynches, but it's not just me who's been moving their vote around.
@Pierce & @Bardull: Can you answer this for me please?
Also I can't remember what I said before, but I think Rajam just needs to post, I'm not that interested in him claiming.
BarDulL
Town Vampire
Posting this here for future reference: http://www.smashboards.com/member.php?u=131340
@MOD, requesting prod on Rajam and requesting vote count.
If Rajam logs in but does not come in here and claim, I will be ok with his lynch and will let anyone quick hammer once I put him at L-1.
@MOD, requesting prod on Rajam and requesting vote count.
If Rajam logs in but does not come in here and claim, I will be ok with his lynch and will let anyone quick hammer once I put him at L-1.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Was away at a convention and tournament, thought I would have had time to keep up but barely did. Will be caught up tomorrow since I'm so tired from lack of sleep that I'm going to pass out soon lol
Inferno3044
Smash Master
I apologize for being unable to post a votecount. I am currently at a music camp for my summer job/internship and probably wont have my computer hooked up until tomorrow. I will give a mobile version of the vote.
Rajam (4) - J, fmarsh, John, Pierce
john (2) - sang, chibo
Pierce (1) - MOD
I will be prodding Rajam.
Rajam (4) - J, fmarsh, John, Pierce
john (2) - sang, chibo
Pierce (1) - MOD
I will be prodding Rajam.
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
So, after re-reading, again, I still don't feel completely comfortable with John. Although my scum read on him has decreased marginally, I still dislike him. My read on him from my 1118 stands. I still want to see more from him, and I don't think he's scummy for not posting content but for not trying to scum-hunt or to help town. Either way, he should not be the play toDay unless we can't come to a consensus on anyone else.
I think, at the moment, Kary is my strongest scum read. There are a lot of his posts that I don't like. He posts a lot of loaded questions that are full of WIFOM and aren't of any help to Town. He continues gambits long past the point that they are usefu, and then they just become distracting. All of his D1 play seems to have been focused on Bardull, even though for a long time he continued to flip-flop between not having a scum read on Bardull and having a scum read on him. He has actively OMGUS'd (like his Rajam vote a bit ago, which he has yet to deny was OMGUS). He misreads a lot of posts (which isn't necessarily scummy, but shows that he isn't really paying attention). I don't like his 380 where he made a post against Bardull because of OS and then gets angry and uses that bit to defend himself. I think the only thing that makes me not think he is scum is his not-so-soft power role claim, which kind of just seems like another gambit.
Vote: Kary
@Kary, do you still have that suspicion on J from your 874? Give me your read on J thus far, if it's different. Another thing: what happened to your reads from 1420 to 1600, and then on from there. I get kind of confused, so could you explain your rationale a bit?
I think, at the moment, Kary is my strongest scum read. There are a lot of his posts that I don't like. He posts a lot of loaded questions that are full of WIFOM and aren't of any help to Town. He continues gambits long past the point that they are usefu, and then they just become distracting. All of his D1 play seems to have been focused on Bardull, even though for a long time he continued to flip-flop between not having a scum read on Bardull and having a scum read on him. He has actively OMGUS'd (like his Rajam vote a bit ago, which he has yet to deny was OMGUS). He misreads a lot of posts (which isn't necessarily scummy, but shows that he isn't really paying attention). I don't like his 380 where he made a post against Bardull because of OS and then gets angry and uses that bit to defend himself. I think the only thing that makes me not think he is scum is his not-so-soft power role claim, which kind of just seems like another gambit.
Vote: Kary
@Kary, do you still have that suspicion on J from your 874? Give me your read on J thus far, if it's different. Another thing: what happened to your reads from 1420 to 1600, and then on from there. I get kind of confused, so could you explain your rationale a bit?
came here hoping sang would see the light and had put rajam at -1
bitterly disappointed
bitterly disappointed
frozenmarsh751
frozenflame751|marshy
hmm
do you have a second choice behind kary atm sang?
do you have a second choice behind kary atm sang?
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
marshy, give me a reason why. Explain to me why you think he is scum. I've explained why I think he's town. I've already asked J to explain, but he hasn't. So, why don't you give it a shot. Why should I vote him?
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
Behind Kary, I'd say John. Behind that, the only person left is Chibo who I have as null and meant to re-read but I got tired.
frozenmarsh751
frozenflame751|marshy
my reason you should vote rajam: he dies faster
if you vote rajam and he flips town ill help you body kary tomorrow samg. j is down with this as well so everyone wins?
@ seph
whats good? you seem a little lost at the moment. you had bardull/j/john as a lynchpool but earlier stated john was town and recently said that bardull needed to be reevaluated due to ronikes flip. not sure whats going on with you
if you vote rajam and he flips town ill help you body kary tomorrow samg. j is down with this as well so everyone wins?
@ seph
whats good? you seem a little lost at the moment. you had bardull/j/john as a lynchpool but earlier stated john was town and recently said that bardull needed to be reevaluated due to ronikes flip. not sure whats going on with you
@FMarsh: He just likes tunneling my ***. 
He's eliminated all his scum-picks sans me so he can devote his full attention to me yet he hasn't made much use of it because all he's done is say I'm scum and then try and WIFOM something I'm not talking about.
He's eliminated all his scum-picks sans me so he can devote his full attention to me yet he hasn't made much use of it because all he's done is say I'm scum and then try and WIFOM something I'm not talking about.
frozenmarsh751
frozenflame751|marshy
regardless if hes right or wrong about you sephs opinion is valuable to town. he might be in a phase where he has to step back and reconsider his reads but he oughta at least let us know
ill tunnel YOUR ***
ill tunnel YOUR ***
frozenmarsh751
frozenflame751|marshy
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
Marshy, if nobody else votes Rajam within the next day or so, I will vote him. Alright? I don't feel right in doing so, but this is taking forever and most of the playerlist seems to be absent lately, or maybe it just seems that way to me.
Also, J, most of what you is said here and the logic that is used here cannot be used with IRL mafia because either people don't understand it or think you are scum because of it.
Also, J, most of what you is said here and the logic that is used here cannot be used with IRL mafia because either people don't understand it or think you are scum because of it.