Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[BarDulL]

Also, J's actions regarding Sang fall in alignment with how he typically interacts with Sang. Nothing is out of order or incorrect.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Sang - How strongly do you feel about the John lynch?

Not too strongly. I more want him to start participating, but the fact that he hasn't and continues not to makes him scummy and a liability. But, I think he's a better play toDay than anyone else.

Bardull, what's your read on Kary?

 

[#HBC | J]

Saaaaaaang, why are you not pushing Kary if you believe he is a stronger scum-read?

Ugh.

 

[#HBC | J]

Pierce's 1439 just like made my day of how amazingly awesome it was. LyLo deserves to have him if it comes down to it.

@Rajam: That was a bit ago and I did change my mind to whom I would like to see gone but the thing is, I can't get what I 2want even though I got what I wanted yesterDay.

Fmarsh, can you tell me against why we are going Sang>Kary? I get you don't want John but you feel more strongly about Kary being scum than Sang.

Bardull, since you seemed caught up, which wagon are you thinking of joining toDay? Sang or John? If not them, would you like a Kary wagon?

Might try a wagon snap if I get off my lazy butt but yeah.

 

[BarDulL]

@Sang - Kary leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

@J - Waiting on responses from people, then I'll tell you.

 

[Inferno3044]

J (0)
SangfroidWarrior (2) Fmarsh, John
Rajam (0)
John2k4 (4) Sang, Chibo, J, Pierce
Pierce7d (1) MOD
Chibosempai (0)
BarDulL (0)
Sephiroths Masamune (0)
Kary (1) Rajam
Frozenmarsh751 (0)

Not voting: Bardull, Seph, Kary

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I can smell people trying to lynch me again. This is totally not cool, how do you not have me as town already?
Let me try and push you in the right direction.

Vote: Rajam

His case on me is utter nonsense, and if he wanted me dead he could've hammered me yesterday. I'm willing to push this in lieu of a John waggon, because while John's barely here, Rajam's almost being actively unhelpful.

Tell me why we're not pushing this, no really. Why does anyone have Rajam as town?

Town (or not-mafia) reads on Pierce, marshy, Seph, BarDulL, J, and town leans on Chibo and Sang, which leaves Kary and John. Happy with any of them dying toDay

This reminds me of Chibo's point against John- that Rajam's picks are myself - someone previously in the line of fire - and John, who basically isn't here. These are pretty much the safest scumpicks you can have. And Rajam has everyone else as town... somehow.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Saaaaaaang, why are you not pushing Kary if you believe he is a stronger scum-read?

Ugh.

Because I've started getting less of a scum read on Kary. I do still think he is scummy, but there's something keeping me from pushing him. As I said, I think John is a better play toDay than anyone else.

I can smell people trying to lynch me again. This is totally not cool, how do you not have me as town already?

Kary, people are not going to suddenly have a town read on you, and comments like these aren't really going to help.

His case on me is utter nonsense, and if he wanted me dead he could've hammered me yesterday. I'm willing to push this in lieu of a John waggon, because while John's barely here, Rajam's almost being actively unhelpful.

Why does the first line seem like an OMGUS to me?

 

[BarDulL]

I can smell people trying to lynch me again. This is totally not cool, how do you not have me as town already?
Let me try and push you in the right direction.

Vote: Rajam

His case on me is utter nonsense, and if he wanted me dead he could've hammered me yesterday. I'm willing to push this in lieu of a John waggon, because while John's barely here, Rajam's almost being actively unhelpful.

Tell me why we're not pushing this, no really. Why does anyone have Rajam as town?



This reminds me of Chibo's point against John- that Rajam's picks are myself - someone previously in the line of fire - and John, who basically isn't here. These are pretty much the safest scumpicks you can have. And Rajam has everyone else as town... somehow.

What's not cool was you trying to lynch me along with Ronike with a case built on absolutely nothing. "HEY GUYS BARDULL IS BEING FAKE BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE KARY COME UP WITH A CRAP SHOOT CASE AND TRY TO RIDE IT LIKE IT'S LEGIT."

And jeez dude, you are all over the place. Weren't you just talking about J being possibly scum? I also could have sworn you were gunning for John, but now you're on Rajam? What gives?

 

[John2k4]

Oh believe me Kary, I'm here a lot more than you think.

 

[#HBC | J]

I agree with Sang, the Rajam push reeks of OMGUS.

And he comes in only after I threaten a wagon snap to him.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh believe me Kary, I'm here a lot more than you think.

John, can you answer my questions please?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Tell me why we're not pushing this, no really. Why does anyone have Rajam as town?

Uh, guys? I get that you don't like me all that much. But can you please listen to what I'm saying?

mmm you misunderstood what I put; I'm saying I think Kary is scum, and that Ronike-scum attempted to distance from Kary by commenting on Kary going to the pub again

This strikes me as utter nonsense, wouldn't you agree?

 

[John2k4]

I missed them Barbell. Finding em now..

 

[John2k4]

I see. A couple questions for you John, if you would.

What do you like about my catch ups so far? Also, is this an implication that you are leaning Town on my slot? If so, what happened to your scum read on my slot on D1?

Can you elaborate on your current scum reads and town reads? As in, tell me why you feel someone is scum or why you feel someone is town. I want details.

Because you are putting thought into the catchup from what I can see, and that is a good thing. That scumread disappeared for the most part when I re-read that Day.

I will elaborate on them in a little while. With the recent posts by you & Kary I have some things I wanted to look at.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J, given that Sang was picked out for pressure Day 1, and was V/LA for a few days, do you think she has been given an opportunity to scumhunt?
In addition, do you have any basis for Sang being non-commital in her voting beyond her very short-lived Pierce vote?

Sang wasn't really "pressured" but more just band-wagoned for the heck of it and then the pressure diffused when the wagons on you and Bardull arose. I was also V/LA for pretty much all the same reasons as her too. ;P

She's had an ample amount of time to scum-hunt, pressure, do whatever she wants. However, she has not taken this opportunity and has actually actively chosen to not to anything at all.

Her being non-commital can be shown in her reads D1 to D2. But it's not really that strong of a point that I am focusing on majorly.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kary, people are not going to suddenly have a town read on you, and comments like these aren't really going to help.

Ok, I appreciate people are still suspicious of me. But you've got to ask yourself things like why on earth I would try and swing a last minute Ronike lynch in order to save my own skin, as scum?

And jeez dude, you are all over the place. Weren't you just talking about J being possibly scum? I also could have sworn you were gunning for John, but now you're on Rajam? What gives?

Yo, don't make this look worse. Yeah, I think John and Rajam are scummy. But I'm more interested in pushing Rajam right now. And yeah, I think J is scummy. But I'm asking him things, and trying to read him; voting him at this point would be more or less redundant. So, that's what gives.

Oh believe me Kary, I'm here a lot more than you think.

Then why are you doing so little? Can you tell me what you think of Rajam?

 

[#HBC | J]

Ok, I appreciate people are still suspicious of me. But you've got to ask yourself things like why on earth I would try and swing a last minute Ronike lynch in order to save my own skin, as scum?

...you didn't....? o_O That was myself who started the voting of Ronike but Marshy was the biggest proponent of lynching Ronike yesterDay. You kind of just hopped on the wagon so you wouldn't have been lynched yesterDay.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Uh, sorry?

Seriously, I swear we could swing a Ronike lynch right now the number of players online.

I started that whole conversation.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

So tell me what you think about Rajam

 

[#HBC | J]

He is scummy, as I've said before. ;P

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh another thing @Kary:

Actions>Saying words

 

[BarDulL]

Would be ok with a Ronike lynch.

Rajam, Chibo, out reads.

I was ok with a Ronike lynch 8 pages in. You guys got nothing on this.

And I'm not trying to make it look worse Kary, your play makes absolutely no sense to me right now.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Oh another thing @Kary:

Actions>Saying words

Considering mafia is a game where you have to try and figure out who's scum by talking amongst yourselves, I don't know where you're going with this.

@Bardull: What do you want to know?
I've basically got town reads on marshy, Seph, yourself, Pierce, Chibo and Sang, pretty much in that order. That leaves John, Rajam and J. I don't want to lynch John just yet, I don't think I can lynch J today anyways, so I'm trying to get something out of Rajam.

 

[BarDulL]

Kary, elaborate on your town read on myself, Seph, and Sang.

Pierce, two questions for you. Why did you feel Adumbrodeus was Town based on his actions on day 1? Also, why did you out that you were getting "strong VT reads from BarDulL?" I'm referring to your first post of day 2 btw.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Them Town Reads 4 Bardull

Bardull
Ronike flips scum, that helps a lot.
Bardull vs. Ronike read as town vs. scum, too aggressive to be scum distancing IMO.
Bardull vs. me, he seemed pretty genuine in his argument;I got the impression he actually thought i was scum, and he wasn't pushing for my lynch as much as he could've done.
Marshy, among others, had him as a town read, which counts for something, plus the way the Day 1 lynch shifted away from Ronike towards me or him suggests to me he probably isn't scum.
His catch up today is good and I can see him actually scumhunting.

Seph
Adum flipped scum, that helps as well.
Seph's reads appear to be unreliable (c.f. Ronike), but his argument with Adum seemed genuine.
Claiming vig, then 1-shot vig seems daft, but I can't see why he'd draw attention to himself like that as scum.
Also, his continued push on you throughout yesterday is almost too stubborn to be scum; I don't know why he wouldn't have lynched me Day 1 as scum.
His argument with marshy as to who to lynch Day 1 make sense to me, and seems pretty town vs. town.
Also, his suspicion of J today resonates with me, I can see where he's coming from.

Sang
Sang is a more of a town lean for me. But her responses to Adum Day 1 don't seem staged at all, and the things she posted in response to J reed as pretty genuine to me.
Things like her apparently giving up today don't count much in her favour, but she has been scumhunting here and there, and I think she's basically stuck to her reads.
J's case against Sang actually makes me feel better about Sang as well.
I am going against frozen/marshy on this one. But I also don't really see the case for Sang>Rajam/John today. So there you go.

 

[BarDulL]

Gif somewhat related, pinning the remaining scum is pretty hard.

BTW Kary, saying "we could totally switch to Ronike right now" isn't the same as starting the switch to Ronike.

Right now my lynch order is this:

John/Kary/Sang > Rajam > Seph > Pierce > Chibo > Marshy/J

Reasoning:

1. Kary's play doesn't add up at all. I need to reread it carefully. Some parts of me understand him and some parts of me don't.
2. Sang is pretty passive, didn't see a lot of action and I agree that there isn't a lot of umph or commitment behind her actions. I like her reads though so I'm wondering if that's just the kind of player she is.
3. John is just...his transition from D1 to D2 doesn't make much sense to me. He says "BarDulL was putting thought into his catch up, and I reread D1 and he seemed really Town to me," but on D1 John was saying things like "BarDulL was acting vehemently" (which wasn't true) and that he "really wanted me dead." So this 180 is just really off to me.

4. In regards to Rajam, apparently it isn't odd behavior for him to be playing "catch up," (can someone confirm this? I read somewhere that this is his typical town meta). I agree that he was pretty useless on D1 and didn't get much done, and I'm ok with Pierce's assessment of him. Seemed a little flip floppy between myself and Kary in retrospect (gonna have to reread this later) but I don't really understand his scum rationale unless he was trying to save Kary, but it doesn't make sense for him to do that considering that him and Kary are now trying to push against each other.

5. Seph's scum read on me is ridiculous and I can't make heads or tails out of him. Someone explain to me why he's town.

6. Pierce's D1 assessment was fine, there are a couple things that make me scratch my chin but it's a really good read otherwise and very accurate.

7. Chibo saved my *** so I love him to death eternally. Didn't like that he was like "why are we all switching to Ronike wtf?" though.

8. Marshy and J are fine. Marshy has been a little questionable at times, like his most recent FoS on me (seriously wtf was that? Lol) but I'm guessing it was paranoia or something. I wasn't lurking though. Hrm.

9. J is friggin Townie out the ***! I'm pretty sure he could have switched over to a Kary lynch instead of swinging to Ronike, so I honestly have no qualms with this slot at all. Indy at worst case scenario.

 

[BarDulL]

Crazy ninja'd. I will read your post right now Kary.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh, regarding my J read, J was already on Kary...Kary do you think J didn't have a choice but to switch from you to Ronike?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Oh, regarding my J read, J was already on Kary...Kary do you think J didn't have a choice but to switch from you to Ronike?

I'm not sure I understand the question, but here goes:

I think it fits with scumJ that he wouldn't push for my lynch too hard as he'd look bad on my flip, and I also think that once a lynch on Ronike looked more likely, scumJ would be much better off being on that waggon than hanging back. It also makes sense for ScumJ to take the credit for leading that lynch; emphasis on 'take the credit'.

Does that do it? I'm assuming you're talking about the very end of Day 1.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

As to what TownJ would do; I think TownJ wouldn't have pushed so hard for my lynch over Ronike's in the first place, but when it got to both waggons being at L-1, TownJ would've been arguing and reasoning more for my lynch, and not being as eager to swing to Ronike.

Overall I think the answer is yeah, J probably did have a choice rather than switching to Ronike.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

lol bardull that fos wasnt serious. i just thought it was funny that john fosd someone like 24 hours into the dayphase

j wants to go kary --> rajam/sang?

 

[BarDulL]

Ok, John's my preferred lynch for today. Before I hammer, does anyone have a case for why John shouldn't go first?

 

[BarDulL]

Ninja'd out the ***.

IDK Marsh, this post made me go o_O;

"

Because you are putting thought into the catchup from what I can see, and that is a good thing. That scumread disappeared for the most part when I re-read that Day.

I will elaborate on them in a little while. With the recent posts by you & Kary I have some things I wanted to look at.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Uh, John's at L-2.

Also, I was hoping to hear from Seph before the day ends.

And Rajam and John have both been by here and done nothing.
Grrrrr

 

[frozenmarsh751]

the thought of sang/rajam living any longer turns my stomach over ad makes my blood boil

 

[BarDulL]

Help me understand John, but I'm feeling pretty unrelenting about this.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

pretty sure im willing to sheep j. his lynchpool aligns with mine and i think hes town for the time being. if our lynchpool all flip town i am totally fine hitting lylo with the rest of the cast

 

[#HBC | J]

Marshy, how about this?

We lynch Rajam toDay, if he flips town, lynch Kary toMorrow. If by some force of nature neither of those two flip scum, we lynch between Sang/John for the win?

I'm growing more comfortable with this and Kary-Rajam can be flip-flopped.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm ok with pushing Rajam to claim.