Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[Rajam]

Seph, I saw you want BarDulL dead. Do you think #272, #275 to #278 could be staged?

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

? Which were those posts, and if you didn't understand them why didn't ask for clarification?

It wasn't necessarily that I didn't understand the content or didn't understand what you were trying to say, but it was just that I didn't understand why you were bringing them up when you did. They just seemed to come out of nowhere.

 

[BarDulL]

Hey guys, I'm touring all the universities in California + camping so I haven't had access to a computer to post on Smashboards. I'm not going to be up to speed on this game until late tonight or early tomorrow as I won't be at my house until late tonight and I don't have a phone to read over the game atm. Sorry if I'm super inactive and stuff.

Also I am not surprised that Adumb flipped scum this game D:.

Oh yeah and Seph is dumb for thinking I'm still scum -.- I read Rajam's latest post and lol'd.

 

[John2k4]

Alright, time to get into the serious mood I guess. TBH I was keeping that laid back thing just because it was pissing off Pierce.

@Sang - *Shrug on the Seph thing, need to read it again. Nothing stuck out to me. @ The 1420 - I have been trying to elaborate on the reads. =(

 

[frozenmarsh751]

@ John: was this post of yours serious? http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14553754&postcount=642

also, why did you vote sang when you said earlier in this game that you thought she was town?

 

[John2k4]

No, that post was not serious.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Let me at least skim the last few pages to make sure, alright. So, give me about an hour (probably even less) and I'll hammer, unless somebody else wants to do it now.

Well, I just finished skimming through, but it seems Bardull has already hammered. Alrighty then.

@Sang:
Please talk to me about this. It seems like you're saying 'I don't want to hammer Ronike straight away, but I'm ok if someone else hammers him now'. This strikes me as strange because if I wanted to make up my mind on Ronike I wouldn't want anyone to hammer right away, I'd want to be sure.
Also, your second post seems kinda redundant. 'Alrighty then' strikes me as a weird response, and I wonder what you would've done if Bardull hadn't hammered.

Basically, please talk me through your thought process with regards to what you saw of this Ronike waggon and what you were thinking at the time. I'm not finding any of this especially scummy but I'm also not sure that I follow, so hearing about it would be great. Thanks a lot.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

No, that post was not serious.

Alright. Wanna answer the other question as well?

also, why did you vote sang when you said earlier in this game that you thought she was town?

 

[Inferno3044]

J (0)
SangfroidWarrior (2) Fmarsh, John
Rajam (0)
John2k4 (4) Sang, Chibo, J, Pierce
Pierce7d (1) MOD
Chibosempai (0)
BarDulL (0)
Sephiroths Masamune (0)
Kary (1) Rajam
Frozenmarsh751 (0)

Not voting: Bardull, Seph, Kary

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[John2k4]

@Marshtomp - Wagon jumping.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

lol

well

cant deny your honesty

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Sang:
Please talk to me about this. It seems like you're saying 'I don't want to hammer Ronike straight away, but I'm ok if someone else hammers him now'. This strikes me as strange because if I wanted to make up my mind on Ronike I wouldn't want anyone to hammer right away, I'd want to be sure.
Also, your second post seems kinda redundant. 'Alrighty then' strikes me as a weird response, and I wonder what you would've done if Bardull hadn't hammered.

I'm going to answer the last one because that one's the easiest. I would have hammered. As per the rest, they had been asking me to hammer because nobody else was there. I wanted to read the bit that I had missed to make sure that I hadn't missed anything important and that I was alright with hammering. I said that last little bit in the first quote because I didn't have a strong read on Ronike and others were trying to get the day finished. I was not going to hammer before I read and, if others didn't want to wait for that, then I didn't care what they did.

Basically, please talk me through your thought process with regards to what you saw of this Ronike waggon and what you were thinking at the time. I'm not finding any of this especially scummy but I'm also not sure that I follow, so hearing about it would be great. Thanks a lot.

I was surprised at how quickly the wagon was created and finished, as it pretty much came out of nowhere. I hadn't really been focused all that much on Ronike and didn't see the scumminess, but I didn't think he was town either.

 

[BarDulL]

Alrighty, I'm here now. Time to reread through this wave of craziness.

 

[BarDulL]

Naw J you're not scum. I think I'm just paranoid but you can never be sure blabla.

Rajam pretty confident on being town. Kary town, pretty good there too.
That's good. I needed those.

Also, Pierce, as an aside. Indy wants to keep scum around early-mid, for when scum is gone, all pressure is on the indy. It's also quite obvious I didn't shoot Overswarm when he was in my voting block :v

Either way, I'll ask if I still have my shot, even though I really do doubt that the scumteam would send out Adumb, except if they had a better player in store.

Revisiting my PoE

1. J
2. SangfroidWarrior
4. John2k4
7. BarDulL

The only one on there stronger than Adumb is J. Adumb sending the shot, especially when he is also a PR, is very doubtful, except when J is the last scummer.

Ohwell.

Those 4 are on the table for me. I know I won't get Bardull today >_>. J is doubtful except if Marshy/I find something REALLY good in a reread. So J2k4 or Sang.

I'm cool with blitzkrieg lynching both as soon as FF caught up. Marshy we on the same line?

WTF AT THIS POST!!!!!!!!!

Dude I'm not caught up yet but could you explain your rationale for Kary/Rajam town? And I can't believe you're still going for me after D1...man that would have been some Kira **** if I was scum and I'm definitely not that mega crazy balls intelligent.

 

[BarDulL]

Ok anyway, I'm here now, there were a couple of small things that have been bothering me regarding Chibo/Pierce, and then there's Seph...good lord I want him vigged SO HARD.

J is NOT mafia-aligned. I'm 90% sure he is Town and he is by far my strongest town read. Indy is possible but I'm not even considering that possibility atm.

Marshy is fine.

Someone explain the Sangfroid case please.

I'm contemplating just quick hammering right now, but I want John to explain his reads. Like, elaborate. Details. Etc.

Pierce...IDK, null for me because he talks a big game but I never really see the big town plays. His interaction with adum tells me that Pierce is town in hindsight though. Eh. Slight town lean but mostly null.

There's one thing bothering me about Chibo, but I like the course he has taken this game. Town for now, but I don't get why he seemed like he was trying to stop the Ronike lynch in one of his posts.

I'm ok with a Kary lynch as well, but I need to reread his D2 posts regarding his thoughts on the game so far.

 

[BarDulL]

Someone explain to me why Rajam is Town.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh yeah, I have nothing negative to say about Sang, although I haven't seen a lot of action. I like her description of my play being seemingly oscillating since I can totally understand why she would come to that conclusion. I haven't seen a lot of votes though or much pushing. She seems more like the observant type and not someone who takes action in the group. J does this fit Sang's standard play or do you feel she is differentiating from her standard play?

@Sang - How strongly do you feel about the John lynch?

 

[BarDulL]

I just really don't like how this is all playing out.

As much as I don't care too much who gets lynch, I don't think now is the time to all jump ship like this. Couldn't have done it sooner? lol

This is the post I was referring to in regards to Chibo.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh yeah, I have nothing negative to say about Sang, although I haven't seen a lot of action. I like her description of my play being seemingly oscillating since I can totally understand why she would come to that conclusion. I haven't seen a lot of votes though or much pushing. She seems more like the observant type and not someone who takes action in the group. J does this fit Sang's standard play or do you feel she is differentiating from her standard play?

@Sang - How strongly do you feel about the John lynch?

I guess the best way to rephrase this is that Sang is pretty damn passive.

 

[#HBC | J]

You liked nailed Sang to a tee but at the same time not.

I guess this game she is just being waaaaay too passive if you get me? I don't recall anything original from her or anything like that.

 

[BarDulL]

That's how I felt about her on D1, but I looked at the vote count and noticed she has her vote first on John so now I'm just like WTF'ing o.O I need to reread her.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

1. J
2. SangfroidWarrior
3. Rajam
4. John2k4
5. Pierce7d
6. Chibosempai
7. BarDulL
8. Sephiroths Masamune
11. Kary
13. marshy frozenmarsh751

seph... i do NOT want to hit endgame with sang/rajam/john/kary. is that so wrong?

 

[John2k4]

seph... i do NOT want to hit endgame with sang/rajam/john/kary. is that so wrong?

 

[frozenmarsh751]

dont give me that face! you dont see me voting you!

 

[BarDulL]

hi john.

still think i'm scum?

 

[#HBC | J]

I kind of just want like a super-kill role that allows me to kill 4 people if not just 3 so I can insta-kill all of John/Rajam/Sang/Kary and either have won the game or narrowed it down to an simplisitically easy pool.

Like seriously we have enough support for any of those four wagons, it's just people needing to decide and stick to a certain wagon and let it go all the way to awesome lynch time.

 

[BarDulL]

I know that feel bro.

But I want some lemon with my drink, if ya know what I mean.

 

[John2k4]

Hi Barbell. Not sure. I like your catchups so far.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

J is NOT mafia-aligned. I'm 90% sure he is Town and he is by far my strongest town read. Indy is possible but I'm not even considering that possibility atm.

Hey Bardull, if you get time, can you explain your townread on J for me? I am struggling to read J, and some of his reasons for why he is town don't sit that well with me.

Side note, I feel like the the only thing that goes towards clearing Rajam is his interactions/suspicions of Adum Day 1.

Also, question: Sang has been playing a deliberately passive role this game Y/N?

Ta

 

[frozenmarsh751]

still wanna go sang. lose a vanilla at worst

 

[BarDulL]

Hey Bardull, if you get time, can you explain your townread on J for me? I am struggling to read J, and some of his reasons for why he is town don't sit that well with me.

Side note, I feel like the the only thing that goes towards clearing Rajam is his interactions/suspicions of Adum Day 1.

Also, question: Sang has been playing a deliberately passive role this game Y/N?

Ta

Can't answer your question atm, but Sang was super passive D1. Deliberate? Like she was trying to be passive? I don't REALLY know Sang so it's hard for me to answer that question. However, I'd like Sang to explain her play. D2's a little fuzzy for me because I powered through all the posts and I haven't reread yet.

J has had really good reads all game and they match mine well. I also haven't seen much scummy intent in his posts if any. My biggest qualm is that he was starting to give up on my slot and it looked like he was going to switch sides in our debacle and force my claim, but I know he isn't aligned with you because a 4man mafia team in a 13 player games seems like a bit much, so I think he was just genuinely tired of debating ad nauseum and wanted to get things over with. I haven't looked into where he substantiated his Ronike read or how he felt about adumb though, but I'm still preeeetty comfortable with J.

 

[BarDulL]

Like, I can only REALLY see J being indy, to be mafia aligned is just impossible or he deserves MVP.

 

[BarDulL]

Hi Barbell. Not sure. I like your catchups so far.

I see. A couple questions for you John, if you would.

What do you like about my catch ups so far? Also, is this an implication that you are leaning Town on my slot? If so, what happened to your scum read on my slot on D1?

Can you elaborate on your current scum reads and town reads? As in, tell me why you feel someone is scum or why you feel someone is town. I want details.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Hmm ok. I can see scum J given that no-one expected Adum to die in the night, but I admit that it's a bit of a stretch. Can't say about his reads, other than he's wrong about me, obviously.

You've also reminded me, I've been thinking that 4 scum is actually quite likely. I don't want to push too much setup speculation nonsense, but given we had a town bomb, I think a ninja/roleblocker/??? mafia team looks underpowered. I'm thinking either 4 mafia or 3 mafia 1 indy.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

So yeah, in the end I feel that you have been non-commital in terms of voting and have like no drive to scum-hunt this game which makes me believe you are scummy.

@J, given that Sang was picked out for pressure Day 1, and was V/LA for a few days, do you think she has been given an opportunity to scumhunt?
In addition, do you have any basis for Sang being non-commital in her voting beyond her very short-lived Pierce vote?

 

[BarDulL]

I don't know the specifics of Mafia Ninja in this game, but I know that Ninja usually can carry out mafia kills on Bomb/Granny's and not die from the normal NK counter mechanic. I don't think a 3 man team is unlikely at all.

Anyway, set up speculation aside, I really don't have any qualms with the J slot and he is not someone I feel needs to be looked into, but if people have questions for him they should go ahead and ask away to their heart's content.

 

[BarDulL]

@J, given that Sang was picked out for pressure Day 1, and was V/LA for a few days, do you think she has been given an opportunity to scumhunt?
In addition, do you have any basis for Sang being non-commital in her voting beyond her very short-lived Pierce vote?

Jeez, you just love asking people loaded questions, but I can't say that I haven't seen this before.

J and Sang are definitely not aligned btw.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I don't know the specifics of Mafia Ninja in this game, but I know that Ninja usually can carry out mafia kills on Bomb/Granny's and not die from the normal NK counter mechanic. I don't think a 3 man team is unlikely at all.

Hmm. I've never heard of that aspect of a Ninja. Anyhow, the point is not to get blinkered into looking for 'the last scum' when you can't really say how many there may be.

Jeez, you just love asking people loaded questions, but I can't say that I haven't seen this before.

J and Sang are definitely not aligned btw.

I don't even think that they were loaded questions... meh. They're designed to get answers I can work with; they gauge to what level J has suspicion of Sang.

And I'd ask you to back up that statement but I agree but for the 'definitely' part. Oh and that damn ambiguity as well- presumably you're saying they're not scumbuddies, right?

 

[BarDulL]

Definitely not scum buddies.

You asked loaded questions in Dgames minigames to Vinyl.

 

[BarDulL]

J wouldn't bring that much attention to Sang in this scenario with 2 scum dead...just too unlikely. AND Sang is in the lynch pool right now.