Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[Pierce7d]

Sang, explain to me what you think is "odd" about Bardull's play.

John, who are your top three scum picks and why?

 

[#HBC | J]

And I still want to know why Chibi is lurking and not posting. Folks don't take pleasure in waiting for an answer.

The Day phase literally just started like an hour ago, John. xD

 

[frozenmarsh751]

i agree with john

fos rajam
fos bardull
fos kary

for lurking

 

[John2k4]

Chibo - Despite his best efforts, he has managed to separate himself from the game, folks.
Kary - Didn't like his attempting to buddy people D1.

Those are the only two I feel like labeling "scum". There's some null and some town.

Did some D1 reading over the Night, and here's who I am comfortable for Solid town:
Marshtomp
J

Town lean
Pierce


So talk to me - what's happening, Marshtompy?

 

[#HBC | J]

Well John, why are you not on board with lynching ScumWarrior?

 

[Pierce7d]

Well John, why are you not on board with lynching ScumWarrior?

This AND

John, thoughts on Seph?

 

[John2k4]

I am, but I do not want a quicklynch. All that will do is rob us of information/additional reads that we can get if the Day doesn't end in a flash.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

@ john

i would like to lynch sangfroid and then rajam and THEN go from there. i would also like to wait for frozen to catch up which will take a while. still think youre protown

 

[John2k4]

Seph didn't really stick out to me on my reread..He seems to be scumhunting, and then also seems to be a giant bucket of "um, what?"

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Sang, explain to me what you think is "odd" about Bardull's play.

With him, I always get the feeling that he's scummy, regardless of whether he is town or not. Also, he seems very pushy and all that one minute, and then chill the next. Just his playstyle, I guess.

 

[Pierce7d]

Well, I definitely want to lynch Sangfroid. And I'm okay with Sangfroid not claiming but I still want Kary OR Rajam to claim, depending on who we plan on lynching tomorrow.

Then obviously I'm going to want to analyze the flips before actually making the lynch tomorrow.

 

[CT Chia]

Wow, really? 5 pages? lol

 

[CT Chia]

F'in dgames moves so fast lol

 

[CT Chia]

(Mainly in reply to multiple Pierce posts)

As much as I hate to normally talk about flavor stuff, I really don't think we're dealing with two mafia factions here. Paper Mario is pretty clear cut and dry. Very good guys vs bad guys, and the bad guys flipped so far are just as one would suspect, Bowser minions. Who else would make good scum that aren't minions? idk. Imagine yourself sitting down to make a Paper Mario mafia game, two scum is not something that would come to mind at all.

Going a little further, lets say there's like 3 scum on a team. Seems reasonable, right? If it was two we would have 2v2v9, kind of ridic. If it were 3, we would have 3v3v7, which starts to get less balanced. Couple this all with only one NK yesterday, (outside of bomb shenanigans), etc.

I mean Kary's play is very self-preservative, but Kary also was willing to vote Ronike, who was scum. This is the behavior of scum, but normally scum doesn't vote other scum. That means he could be Indy, or there could be a second mafia faction.

Also, a little food for thought.
http://www.smashboards.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=323153

With the above being said (what I said, not the quote), I'm more willing to have a null read on Kary in general, not necessarily mafia.

 

[CT Chia]

I know Sang hasn't been doing much at all, but someone mind summarizing a quick case on Sang? Any connections to our two flipped scum? etc. I'm still working with some holes here. Not much of a chance to catch up (damn 75 page game here lol), and more focusing on the present over anything else.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well an indy could be that dumb*** HUGE Koopa who would extort ya or game over you if you tried fighting him.

Lemme try and find a pic.

 

[CT Chia]

Marshy, let me see your kill list in who gets bull-dozed first and the like.

I'm seeing it more like this:

Sang>Kary>Rajam-Chibo-John

With your scum reads in mind, how many scum do you suspect we're dealing with?

 

[#HBC | J]

^^This is who I was talking about.

@Chibo: I personally feel there is only one more scummy left but there is the possibility of an indy. I don't believe in 2 mafia factions imo.

 

[CT Chia]

And I still want to know why Chibi is lurking and not posting. Folks don't take pleasure in waiting for an answer.

Why.... me? What now?

 

[CT Chia]

Sang ain't going to be quicklynched, Marshtomp.

You realize that if Sang gets lynch and flips scum, that casts more of a shadow of doubt over you than hurricane katrina over Louisiana right? At least in my book it does.

 

[#HBC | J]

If Sang flips scum, this game should be over. =P

Also that goes against your thing of scum being more than 3+.

 

[CT Chia]

Chibo - Despite his best efforts, he has managed to separate himself from the game, folks.
Kary - Didn't like his attempting to buddy people D1.

Those are the only two I feel like labeling "scum". There's some null and some town.

Did some D1 reading over the Night, and here's who I am comfortable for Solid town:
Marshtomp
J

Town lean
Pierce


So talk to me - what's happening, Marshtompy?

This so far stands out to me as the most important post of the day thus far.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

You realize that if Sang gets lynch and flips scum, that casts more of a shadow of doubt over you than hurricane katrina over Louisiana right?

lmao

ive missed you chibo

i also agree with j

hopefully theres no ****ty indy running around

 

[CT Chia]

Also I just want to say, idk how it said I was lurking or what, you're straight up kray. I was in the casino (Golden Nugget) and left at like 1:45am, and my phone died at like 1:15. And prior to that I was not on my phone doin stuff really, I was winning money in BlackJack. I might have visited SWF User CP before losing signal or having my battery die, I forget. Didn't know it was up till I got home about 20 minutes ago.

 

[CT Chia]

Pierce, do you mind sharing the connection between Seph and whatever that makes you think he's def town at this point? I don't recall it exactly.

 

[CT Chia]

While I'm not opposed to a Sang lynch by any means (would still love to see a summarized case, but idrgaf in the end tbqh lol), I'm leaning much more towards a John lynch atm. Even despite my katrina comment above lol, I think we learn more from a John lynch than a Sang lynch, even though the two are tied together tighter than a chinese finger trap.

 

[Pierce7d]

Seph
Willing to switch vote to Ronike. Despite the fact that he defended Ronike hard D1, he still switched to the Ronike wagon and was the 2nd or 3rd vote, while he had enough thread control to save Ronike.
Was willing to hardcore threaten Adumbrodeus, although if he doesn't actually have a bullet, this MIGHT be a null, but seems pretty townish to me. I don't think scum threatening people with a bullet to distance themselves is the type of game that Mafia would go for. However, do note that I have him listed as town leaning Indy.

 

[CT Chia]

**** it, #YOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Vote: John2k4

There was no need to put yourself out like that, and looked to be way more out of desperation than anything else. You also felt safe in only labeling two players as scum, me and Kary - arguable the two easiest players for anyone who is scum to pin scum on, seeing that I am was the most inactive outside of Sang, and Kary who was one of the primary lynch targets yesterday.

If John flips scum, set sights on Sang and don't even let 20 minutes go by in whatever day phase it is so he doesn't even have enough time to catch his breath.

 

[Pierce7d]

J, that Koopa is Kent C Koopa, and he's very easy to kill. You just have to jump on him and then you can target his tail which has no defense points. Couple that with the fact that he's suceptible to sleep effects, and you can just use lullabye to K.O. him without him getting any actions. His only purpose is to stop me from getting back to Koopa Village.

 

[Pierce7d]

That can be circumvented by going through toad town tunnels then, but he's also a good source of Star Points for Mario.

 

[CT Chia]

Seph
Willing to switch vote to Ronike. Despite the fact that he defended Ronike hard D1, he still switched to the Ronike wagon and was the 2nd or 3rd vote, while he had enough thread control to save Ronike.
Was willing to hardcore threaten Adumbrodeus, although if he doesn't actually have a bullet, this MIGHT be a null, but seems pretty townish to me. I don't think scum threatening people with a bullet to distance themselves is the type of game that Mafia would go for. However, do note that I have him listed as town leaning Indy.

There's also no way that someone who knew the mafia list (aka a mafia bro) would attempt to bus two different mafiaskis on the same day.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

**** it, #YOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Vote: John2k4

im dy ing

 

[Pierce7d]

(Mainly in reply to multiple Pierce posts)

As much as I hate to normally talk about flavor stuff, I really don't think we're dealing with two mafia factions here. Paper Mario is pretty clear cut and dry. Very good guys vs bad guys, and the bad guys flipped so far are just as one would suspect, Bowser minions. Who else would make good scum that aren't minions? idk. Imagine yourself sitting down to make a Paper Mario mafia game, two scum is not something that would come to mind at all.

Going a little further, lets say there's like 3 scum on a team. Seems reasonable, right? If it was two we would have 2v2v9, kind of ridic. If it were 3, we would have 3v3v7, which starts to get less balanced. Couple this all with only one NK yesterday, (outside of bomb shenanigans), etc.

With the above being said (what I said, not the quote), I'm more willing to have a null read on Kary in general, not necessarily mafia.

I do not think 2v2v9 is ridic at all if we have a bomb and scum can NK each other. Especially if one faction does not get a NK. And I think it's super likely because they have a roleblocker and a ninja, which means that town probably has a LOT of power roles.

 

[Pierce7d]

Chibo, if John flips scum, what type of things do we learn that we would not learn from a Sang flip?

 

[CT Chia]

Does anyone know what a Ninja is? In the meantime I'ma google this jawns so I can get answers on answers.

But yea, idk how I feel about 2v2v9. Any real cop in the game should be turned off of it, since most dual mafia games (outside of being really ****ing rare lol) use comparison cops instead of real cops. Also the mafia factions will have some kind of special name to them (like Fire Mafia Roleblocker or Ice Mafia Godfather in standard dual mafia games), where instead here we just have generic Mafia ____ with the standard red text (uh oh color talk everyone duck and cover!). And as I said, Paper Mario with 2 mafia factions? No way. And for us to have two mafias, we can only be dealing with teams of two, and only General Guy and Kammy on a team? Makes no damn sense.

Yea, no way we're dealing with a dual mafia team, I'm convinced.

Either one mafia all together or one mafia and an indy.

 

[#HBC | J]

The game would be over if John flips scum....lmao

Idk why I'm feeling that I am being dense with this topic but it's like yeah.

Also if anyone is the indy, it would have to be Seph since he has a gun. =o

 

[CT Chia]

Ok so ninja is a killer that can't be tracked, simple enough.

 

[CT Chia]

Chibo, if John flips scum, what type of things do we learn that we would not learn from a Sang flip?

That Sang is more scum than the old pack of hot dog rolls I just threw out and the liklihood of Kary and myself being scum is next to nothing. Sure it helps prove me more as town to you guys, call it self preservation if you must, but I'm not lying lol. Of who is left, me and Kary are likely the easiest people to try and put pressure on and to make us seem like easy scum (with Bardull in a close second), so it only makes sense for scummos to try and make us look bad.

 

[Pierce7d]

Vote Kary


for killing me

despite how hilarious that is

You're right OS. That's pretty funny. If Adumb killing you wasn't ultimately funnier, this would've been the most hilarious thing so far. Oh well chap.

Ninja is immune to Tracker and Watcher

 

[Pierce7d]

Screw that Chibo, you can call me whatever you like. I'm pressuring the hell outta Kary.