Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[#HBC | Kary]

So, my scum picks are John and Kary, with Kary being the stronger read. I'd be fine with either Chibo or Rajam being lynched.

Dislike Anything you particularly don't like about me or are you just looking for an easy target? /loaded question
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@Kary, what do you think of Bardull?

@Chibo, I mean you can call me scum if you like, but I'm still pressuring Kary

1. He's probably town at this stage. He seemed pretty genuine in his argument with me. So, town lean. Don't think much of his 'scumhunting' but w/e.
2. Are you pressuring me? Are you sure you don't mean you're voting Sang and asking me a simple question? Or did you switch to John already?
3. What you playin' at, Pierce?

As for the Rajam thing, he went pretty frikken hard on Ronike at the beginning of Day 1. That's why I have a town on him. But his play makes him a liability, and it dropped before it picked up any real momentum. He called Ronike on a scum slip, and even followed up when Ronike dismissed it, but town didn't put real pressure on Ronike until later.

Really? All I remember was Rajam calling Ronike on some RVS nonsense.

This was at Ronike. What the ****. That's either the HUGEST gambit I've ever seen, or there's two scum factions, or there's like a really lame framer, but I doubt it because that means Ronike is terrible because he didn't give us reads at the end of day 1 to make it look like he was town, so I don't believe that for a second.

People had already voiced suspicions of Ronike, J and marshy in particular, and Ronike wasn't exactly playing well. At this point adum probably realised he couldn't step in to save Ronike, hence piling on the pressure.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

yeah im feelin sangfroid today and i can deal with no quicklynch today. gives frozen a chance to catch up and i REALLY dont wanna end the day without his opinion. im also fine with the doc wifoming you and me

kary...why the hell are you concerned with j as an sk? its like youre asking me to lynch you

i have off tomorrow. i think i might...no....

reread the game D:

 

[#HBC | Kary]

sorry marshy... i'm not, hence the wink smiley
I am concerned about an SK in general, though, but w/e

also, @Seph... don't plan to argue mechanics with you, probs. not going to clear you off of them either.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

It's not mechanics when I shot a scum with a one shot ability, you knobhead.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

eh. really not concerned with seph being sk. like why would he claim 1-shot? by doing that he limits himself as sk needlessly when he could get away with capping *****es err night

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Marshy please tell me about J when you reread.

I'll reread when I have time. Off to work now. Will be pretty busy the upcoming days overall, like I've been the past couple of days.

just got a massive dejavu too.

 

[Overswarm]

I'm back, can't read at the moment, just got internet at house

 

[Overswarm]

Oh wait, I'm dead. Haha, I don't have to read, suckers!

 

[CT Chia]

Btw, look at the flips. Adumb didn't die to a bomb, I shot him.
I'm also one-shot, which makes indy less probable.
And I shot a scum, which makes indy less probable.
And I shot a scum, which makes scum less probable.

What does any of this mean <_<

6. Chibosempai (the closest I've seen to a mentally impaired person playing mafia, but he is town doing so) (jk chibo jk)

ayo **** you

 

[CT Chia]

eh. really not concerned with seph being sk. like why would he claim 1-shot? by doing that he limits himself as sk needlessly when he could get away with capping *****es err night

Claiming one shot so he doesn't get off'd himself by scum?

 

[frozenmarsh751]

i suppose thats plausible. cant say im interested in him as play at the moment tho

chibo can you analyze the playerlist? im not asking for a huge detailed long post but something brief would be good

 

[Pierce7d]

Pierce, you're like a totally different person today. Anyways, can you explain some of this stuff for me:

Sure =)

How confident are you that there are two factions?
Pretend i'm a null read, are there still two factions?

Well, based on reports from other players, apparently it is the meta of these players to bus their scum mates. I personally disagree with this strategy from Day 1, but the opinion of Marshy and Seph and Chibo that there are not two factions greatly falters my confidence. At this point, I'd say I'm not confident. If you were a null read, I suppose I'd be more willing to just believe Adumb would off Ronike day one.

Can you explain to me why you're surprised OS was a target?
Didn't you say somewhere that you thought he'd been crumbing cop?

Overswarm's play was very detached, like my own. Overswarm was not leading town into any juicy reads, nor was he being a hyper active scum hunter. There were just straight up better targets to hit. I think J is town, but I think he would've been a much better hit than Overswarm, and that he woke up alive leave me only the tiniest bit suspicious, so I hope that the Cop takes care of clearing the Marshy/J team so that Town has a reliable WinCon.

I don't get how adum's flip makes me look scummy, sorry. Can you explain this?

Adumb was willing to bus the hell outta his partners, and it appeared that his strategy in this game was to lynch out all the other scum, dominate as town leader, and then outlive everyone else. For this to succeed, he'd have to take the reigns away from Seph/Marshy. Seph obviously slowed this down a lot, and then Adumb hit a bomb, which is quite hilarious, and obviously iced his plans. However, I can imagine he was still setting up his town domination strat from Day1 by using his Mafia knowledge to make him appear as a super scum hunter. His top town reads were also Oversworn (a confirmed town), me (I am confirmed town to myself) and Marshy (who I strongly believe to be town.) This means that Adumb's list, which he did not plan on being significant scum slip because he did not plan on getting hit by a bomb, and not planning on getting killed by a Vig Seph because he could have just Roleblocked Seph, means that he's likely bussing BOTH his scum partners. Chances are, the further down you are on Adumb's list, the more likely you are to be scum, since there's confirmed scum at the bottom, and confirmed town at the top, and his knowledge is more than just speculation.

 

[Pierce7d]

lol wasn't it?

so glad I wasn't dense at the end of the day. *brofist marshy*

Btw, look at the flips. Adumb didn't die to a bomb, I shot him.
I'm also one-shot, which makes indy less probable.
And I shot a scum, which makes indy less probable.
And I shot a scum, which makes scum less probable.

Shooting scum does NOT make Indy less probably, although I think you are town with a slight lean to Indy.

Also, I would never clear you on a claimed bullet when a bomb flipped unless the MOD PROVIDES SOME CLARIFICATION

 

[Pierce7d]

Dislike Anything you particularly don't like about me or are you just looking for an easy target? /loaded question
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1. He's probably town at this stage. He seemed pretty genuine in his argument with me. So, town lean. Don't think much of his 'scumhunting' but w/e.
2. Are you pressuring me? Are you sure you don't mean you're voting Sang and asking me a simple question? Or did you switch to John already?
3. What you playin' at, Pierce?



Really? All I remember was Rajam calling Ronike on some RVS nonsense.



People had already voiced suspicions of Ronike, J and marshy in particular, and Ronike wasn't exactly playing well. At this point adum probably realised he couldn't step in to save Ronike, hence piling on the pressure.

There's nothing easy about you Kary. You're alive and well, and I don't need to look for easy targets, and I have already shown that I'm very much looking to play Mafia right now. I'm looking for scummy targets and that is YOU.

Of Rajam's limited posts, he pressured Ronike early on in the day.

I don't like your play style. It's way too wishy washy and it sits off with me. I do have a scenario in which you might be town, but in most scenarios you come up Indy.

I have not begun to pressure you yet. I was focued on the people who were online at the time. Don't worry, your time will come

I'm playing at catching some scum.

 

[CT Chia]

1. J

Null town. Unfortunately I don't know too much about him in general, but has been around while I'm posting and I have no reason not to believe him in general atm. Gonna ISO soon after Rajam just for general knowledge.

2. SangfroidWarrior

Link this guy right up with John. I still haven't seen much of a case on him solely, but John's actions put this guy on my scum list. He was getting some pressure at the start of the day which is cool and all, but prompt defense/redirect of discussion by John didn't make much sense at all. While I haven't seen too much of a case, there's no reason to defend him at all.

3. Rajam

To be honest, I hate to say, but I don't know much about him. I haven't caught much wind of him through anything I've read, and in all my active spurts since the beginning of the week, he's hardly been involved in them at all. Going to be the first ISO I do later today hopefully.

4. John2k4

Hurricane Katrina

5. Pierce7d

Loving his play today especially so far, though I really disagree with his thoughts on there being two scum factions. But the thought behind it analyzing the game, considering a fairly bombastic option makes him look more townie to me.

6. Chibosempai

This guy's a bro

7. BarDulL

I don't feel negative about Bardull. I still don't know why he was on the chopping block yesterday lol. Looking back at the vote count, of the 6 people on his wagon, John was the 6th and Ronike was the 5th, two prime scum spots for a wagon that didn't really even mean anything. We know Ronike was scum, and if I'm right about John...

8. Sephiroths Masamune

I really don't like how he is playing. Not that I think he's scum necessarily, but I don't get any of this garbage. A lot of his reasonings yesterday for things like needing to use his "one shot vig ability" to kill people who are hard to lynch is kind of bs, and isn't instead looking more for scum. Def playing a more self preservation game here with this logic, but doesn't feel like mafia because of it. If we figure that there is an indy in the game, I'd be leaning towards Seph for that role over anyone else initially.

11. Kary

When I came into the game and was basically presented with Bardull or Kary, the clear choice was Kary. Def was feeling more scummy of her, self preservational play (yo ever since I learned that term in this game I'm lovin it), was very aggressive, protective of her role in an anti-town way, etc. However by the time the day ended, she started to sort of turn a new leaf. Hasn't put out much today (that's what she said?), and John casting doubt on her makes me feel much better about her since she really is just an easy lynch target, no matter what her alignment is. If we discover there is an indy, she would be my 2nd suspect of it past sephy.

13. marshy frozenmarsh751

Same exact as J.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Ugh, lost my post:
@Pierce:

First bit wasn't @you lol,
Why does Rajam pushing Ronike give you a town read though?
I don't see how my playstyle is wishy-washy but w/e.
Oh and how on earth does it make sense for Adum to bus both of his partners ASAP?
Also, you can't say what Adum's strategy was so don't try use that to push me please.

Think that's the important stuff.

@Chibo: thoughts on Pierce? Unless you answered this already

 

[#HBC | Kary]

ninja'd, ok then;
@Bardull- scumpicks for today given the flips so far?
Please give me a little reasoning/evidence for each one. Cheers.

bit distracted. Basically just going to re-read Sang/Rajam/John/Chibo to see if anything sticks out, then go from there.

 

[Pierce7d]

Ugh, lost my post:
@Pierce:

First bit wasn't @you lol,
Why does Rajam pushing Ronike give you a town read though?
I don't see how my playstyle is wishy-washy but w/e.
Oh and how on earth does it make sense for Adum to bus both of his partners ASAP?
Also, you can't say what Adum's strategy was so don't try use that to push me please.

Think that's the important stuff.

@Chibo: thoughts on Pierce? Unless you answered this already

Kary, your overall scummy play in the fact that you have not hunted scum very much and focused mainly on staying alive is why I think you are Indy.
Rajam pushing Ronike gives me a townish read because Ronike is confirmed scum now . . . duh?
I don't think it makes sense for Adumb to bus ONE of his partner's ASAP, but from what I can currently discern, I think Adumb was leaking out fairly accurate lists. In my notes, I even said his list was godlike before he flipped scum. That's because he was scum, and he knows the actual list. Since everything confirmed was accurate, it's reasonable to use it as a guideline.

Chibo did answer that, but I'm okay with him answering it again.

 

[Pierce7d]

See, what's weird about you Kary was, I think you're hella scummy, but I was totally content on focusing my attention on John/Sang for the time being, and moving onto you later while exploring this Rajam scum idea because Marshy has been spot on this game, so if he think's Rajam is scum, I'm gonna look into that.

Then you're all like, "You think I'm SCUM?!?!?! Explain yourself immediate! No! I can't be. This reasoning is terrible, don't use it."
You just bring defensive attention to yourself all the time, and you're not even being pressured right now. That is NOT townie. That is scummy.

 

[Pierce7d]

Haha, not more bombtastic than my next door neighbor Overswarm! =P
May his fuse remain ever lit =(

 

[CT Chia]

I thought the same thing when I typed that uncoincidentally lol

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Yo, Pierce. I was responding to what had happened so far today, and I wasn't just talking to you, either.

And if you don't mind me saying, your reasoning is absolute balls.
I'm just pointing it out now so it doesn't come back to haunt me later.
Can't have you setting me up for a fall or anything.

Alright?

 

[John2k4]

2. SangfroidWarrior

Link this guy right up with John. I still haven't seen much of a case on him solely, but John's actions put this guy on my scum list. He was getting some pressure at the start of the day which is cool and all, but prompt defense/redirect of discussion by John didn't make much sense at all. While I haven't seen too much of a case, there's no reason to defend him at all.

4. John2k4

Hurricane Katrina

Chibo are we going to have a repeat of modmafia, where you are so confident in your read on me that you get yourself instantly killed because of it?

 

[Pierce7d]

I do mind you saying

Vote: Kary

Chibo, hop on this Kary wagon right

Oh, nvm, John posted a **** response

Vote: John

 

[Pierce7d]

Chibo are we going to have a repeat of modmafia, where you are so confident in your read on me that you get yourself instantly killed because of it?

Confident is how you hunt scum. Now who is scum John?

 

[John2k4]

Sorry, confident was a terrible word to use there.

*Chibo, are you going to get yourself instantly killed because of extreme tunnel vision again?

@Pierce - I posted reads that covered that last night.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

But she is scummy and meh.

Could you explain to me why I'm scummy?

Dislike Anything you particularly don't like about me or are you just looking for an easy target? /loaded question

I believe I've explained before a few times as to why I don't like you. Yes, you are an easy target but that doesn't mean that I don't think you are scum.

Kary, could you give me your read on John, Chibo, and Rajam?

2. SangfroidWarrior

Link this guy right up with John. I still haven't seen much of a case on him solely, but John's actions put this guy on my scum list. He was getting some pressure at the start of the day which is cool and all, but prompt defense/redirect of discussion by John didn't make much sense at all. While I haven't seen too much of a case, there's no reason to defend him at all.

So, if I'm reading correctly, your scum read on me stems solely from John's actions? Okay, I really dislike this. Like, that logic is so flawed it's not even funny. Speaking of which, could you explain your John read to me and how pressure/defense by him makes others town/scum respectively?

 

[John2k4]

Pierce, you ask why I just casually brush off Chibo's vote, etc - it's because I'm not scared by him in the slightest. Apart from his recent posts, he was not doing anything, so I just read all his posts with a smile and a nod now.
If he wants a repeat of ModMafia, then so be it.

 

[Inferno3044]

I mean I'll even ask the mod

@Mod: It says Adumb was killed, and not that he died to an explosion. So he died independently of the bomb, because he was found somewhere else. Correct?

Any writing dealing with lynches/kills is purely flavor. I will not answer your question.

 

[Pierce7d]

Oh Chibo, you so crazy.

That was mainly in response to his Yolo vote. I'm trying to read the rest of the posts but midnight is saying otherwise.

Chibo are we going to have a repeat of modmafia, where you are so confident in your read on me that you get yourself instantly killed because of it?

Sorry, confident was a terrible word to use there.

*Chibo, are you going to get yourself instantly killed because of extreme tunnel vision again?

@Pierce - I posted reads that covered that last night.

Pierce, you ask why I just casually brush off Chibo's vote, etc - it's because I'm not scared by him in the slightest. Apart from his recent posts, he was not doing anything, so I just read all his posts with a smile and a nod now.
If he wants a repeat of ModMafia, then so be it.

John, to be honest, your play sucks balls bro. All you've done is flirt with Chibo cause he voted you and now you got a crush on him or something. Hunt some damn scum, before I cut your head off.

 

[Pierce7d]

Chibo - Despite his best efforts, he has managed to separate himself from the game, folks.
Kary - Didn't like his attempting to buddy people D1.

Those are the only two I feel like labeling "scum". There's some null and some town.

Did some D1 reading over the Night, and here's who I am comfortable for Solid town:
Marshtomp
J

Town lean
Pierce


So talk to me - what's happening, Marshtompy?

This is your so called list?
A) You don't even make opinions on half the players.
B) You're playing follow Marshy, which has been scum strategy this game.
C) You're putting no pressure on Kary
D) If you think Chibo is scum, then why not pressure him like he's scum, instead of ignoring his pressure on you like you're scum

 

[John2k4]

Oh lord..
If I had a crush on Chibo this game, I would definitely be asking you to cut my head off.

 

[CT Chia]

Chibo are we going to have a repeat of modmafia, where you are so confident in your read on me that you get yourself instantly killed because of it?

Or you can defend yourself?

I do mind you saying

Vote: Kary

Chibo, hop on this Kary wagon right

Oh, nvm, John posted a **** response

Vote: John

lmao oh man this made my morning.

Sorry, confident was a terrible word to use there.

*Chibo, are you going to get yourself instantly killed because of extreme tunnel vision again?

@Pierce - I posted reads that covered that last night.

Tunnel vision? What? Cause I put one vote on you? haha

So, if I'm reading correctly, your scum read on me stems solely from John's actions? Okay, I really dislike this. Like, that logic is so flawed it's not even funny. Speaking of which, could you explain your John read to me and how pressure/defense by him makes others town/scum respectively?

Yea, you're slightly more on the scum side of my list, got a problem? I mean hey, I'm not trying to push your lynch right now, I'm going for John for a reason. Based on how things fly it could change. Not that I'm particularly against your lynch though as I said before.

I've explained my thoughts on John multiple times today so far, like I'm all down for summarizing things for people and helping out since I ask for it all the time, but I'm pretty sure I've said it twice in the last 12 hours lol.

 

[Pierce7d]

Oh lord..
If I had a crush on Chibo this game, I would definitely be asking you to cut my head off.

Of all the **** I'm giving you to respond to, you pick this?

Can we get some more votes on this guy please? Kary, you like living, right? Vote John.

 

[Pierce7d]

Rajam, I see you reading. Attaboy chap. Vote John. Bigger liability than Sangfroid atm, so she'll get to see tomorrow at least unless Marshy has something to say about it.

 

[John2k4]

How about this (Mainly at Marshtomp/J). If Chibo swings my Lynch, just see to it that he is a quick play toMorrow. Apparently he does want a repeat of the past.

Kthx.

 

[CT Chia]

Oh lord..
If I had a crush on Chibo this game, I would definitely be asking you to cut my head off.

 

[John2k4]

Brb I need to go get the chlorine after that last Chibo post.

 

[Pierce7d]

LOL, no one is trying to vote Chibo right now, because he's actually scum hunting. Even if you are town then you are **** town because you're still talking about Chibo's play and ignoring everything we're saying and focusing only on the humor and ignoring the frikken content. Massive liability and I do NOT walk to walk into late game with you.

 

[Pierce7d]

Vote: John