Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[CT Chia]

I didn't call you anything @_@

and what about you and Kary?

 

[CT Chia]

People need to hop on this yolo vote, it's all the rave

 

[Pierce7d]

@Kary, what do you think of Bardull?

@Chibo, I mean you can call me scum if you like, but I'm still pressuring Kary

 

[Inferno3044]

Inferno, I know you are greatly amused. You can hold that **** too.

The mod is amused.

J (0)
SangfroidWarrior (3) J, Pierce, Fmarsh
Rajam (0)
John2k4 (1) Chibo
Pierce7d (0) Inferno, Pierce's GF
Chibosempai (0)
BarDulL (0)
Sephiroths Masamune (0)
Kary (0)
Frozenmarsh751 (0)

Not voting: Sang, Rajam, John, Bardull, Seph, Kary

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[Pierce7d]

Oh, also Chibo, a bit more specifically, I think that Seph isn't Mafia, because I don't think Adumb would've used an AtE about Seph shooting him if Seph was actually scum.

 

[CT Chia]

I mean some pressure is cool, I'm not against that by any means. Hell I entered the game and slapped a vote right on her.
It's just that towards the end of the day she was turning a slightly better leaf in my book and if John ends up flipping as scummer mcscumson I'm down to say with no doubt in my mind that john and kary aren't on the same team. Still leaves an indy possibility by all means, but I don't think she's mafia atm.

The way to find an indy is seeing whose play matches up most with self preservation, which is what indies are all about. Compare this to team preservation, which is how I see John right now. Unforutnately, self preservation can def be tough to track. Kary (and Bardul) have shown some signs of this and would be my first ave to look for that.

Though remember we only saw the one kill from mafia yesterday, so we don't even know if there is an indy yet, so I think it's best for the backburner till we rid ourselves of the mafia first since that's what we have hard facts on.

 

[Pierce7d]

Celine would never vote for me. Well, I suppose she can get pretty upset with me sometimes when I don't pay enough attention to her, but it's cause she loves me.

 

[CT Chia]

idk who Celine is

 

[CT Chia]

I'm going to sleep, will be back in the morning

 

[John2k4]

Oh Chibo, you so crazy.

 

[Pierce7d]

Celine is the name of my girlfriend. Just having a bit of an insider over some tea and crumpets with my homie Inferno, who decided to troll me by listing my GF as voting for me.

 

[Pierce7d]

WTF John, you're not dismissing that. Chibo's bringing up some valid points. What makes him crazy and why?

 

[John2k4]

That was mainly in response to his Yolo vote. I'm trying to read the rest of the posts but midnight is saying otherwise.

 

[Pierce7d]

Scum slip!

I am only open to a RB if I plan to shoot scum, and I am planning on shooting you.

This was a sick read, retrospectively

 

[Pierce7d]

Although now it makes me wonder why Adumb was so distracting with his AtE dramatics if he could've just roleblocked Seph the whole time since he actually WAS the role-blocker, LOL. I was on his *** day one, and him trying to buddy me made it worse. Only his vote on Ronike through me off his trail somewhat. Oh well, doesn't matter, he's dead ROFL

 

[Pierce7d]

J, after Celebrity I'm willing to trust your reads a lot more. Do you mind if I just copy-paste your vote? Status on Ronike and adumb?

Not a town tell?

 

[#HBC | J]

Wow I find it weird he asked for my status on both Ronike+Adumb....o_o

 

[Pierce7d]

Bingo.

Less the buddying because it's RVS, and you were chosen because I've never played with you and because you were convienent so I don't have meta on you. I wanted to see how you responded under pressure and RVS.

Speaking of which your first post on the topic struck me as overly defensive and ackward for an RVS wagon. Was wondering if you'd follow it up with more.

Anyway, thoughts on the overall playerlist:



J: null
SangfroidWarrior: leaning scum
Rajam: Leaning scum
John2k4: Null and given pretty much nothing
Pierce7d: Town
Chibosempai: null
BarDulL: Null
Sephiroths Masamune: Town
Ronike: null
Kary: Scum
Overswarm: Town
marshy: Null


OS: Care to give me an explanation of why you think bardull is scum, I know you wouldn't be following sephi on this as opposed to trying to cow him unless you actually agreed with the proposed targets.


unvote, vote: Kary

Hella awkward reaction to the sang wagon and a short look at his past games tells me he knows what rvs is about.


John: current thoughts on J and chibo?

J, Marshy help me analyze this. He towned the me, Seph, OS voteblock. Me and OS I have for confirmed town, and Seph is very likely town, so he didn't actually try and hide his scum bros in this I don't think. Worth digging into?

 

[Pierce7d]

As for the Rajam thing, he went pretty frikken hard on Ronike at the beginning of Day 1. That's why I have a town on him. But his play makes him a liability, and it dropped before it picked up any real momentum. He called Ronike on a scum slip, and even followed up when Ronike dismissed it, but town didn't put real pressure on Ronike until later.

 

[Pierce7d]

If Rajam would post like a boss toDay, I'd actually stick my neck out for keeping him alive tomorrow.

 

[Pierce7d]

Yo, first up, I've seen RVS before, yeah. But I'm not a big fan of 'let's put them at L-1 and see what happens'. So forgive me for not throwing my vote around of leaping onto waggons. Second thing, this post:



was full of **** entirely on purpose.
Here's the clue: There is no case on Sang, Adum clearly hasn't given a case on Sang.
There were two reasons for doing this. The first is to try and get something from Adum that I can use; I struggle to read people who are just calling for votes. And secondly, to see how people react. Of course, I couldn't tell J that straight up when he started questioning what on earth I was on about.

Last thing: (And this ties into my first point) I think quicklynches are hella dumb. Really don't want to see a quicklynch today. Want to push a few more things and see what happens.

Right, going to answer some questions, then make some more points.

This is one of the towniest posts from Kary right now. But Sang also had some pretty towny posts early game, like her pressure on me. I'm starting to think she's not scum, but not enough in a way where I feel comfortable taking my vote off her.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well, pierce if you take Sang off your scum-list, who would replace her?

 

[#HBC | J]

Uuuuuuugh, I don't wanna lynch Sang after the convo we just had tonight.

But she is scummy and meh.

 

[Pierce7d]

@Broshy: I'd wait to give Bardull some time to post responses. If I still feel he was scummy, I'd shoot him. If his responses made me feel a bit better about him... there's not really anyone I'd be comfortable with shooting. If I had to though, I'd probably shoot Chibo. Don't feel Kary as scum, and chibo's been coastin like hell, despite being called out on it.

Maybe I'm a noob for this read, but this makes me feel Chibo as town, still null on Kary, and Bardull as town.

@J, right now, I am SO OKAY with lynching John. Sang seems geniuine, which is bugging me, because I'm trying to use the J and Marshy method of looking at things to actually catch scum, but my reading isn't as good as yours.

 

[Pierce7d]

**** it, yolo

Vote: John

 

[Pierce7d]

...


Hey marshy, wanna just lynch ronike today?


unvote, vote: ronike

This is really frikken weird. Either Ronike and Adumbrodeus planned to buddy Marshy, and have Marshy bro one of them to victory as the strategy, or there are two mafia factions.

 

[Pierce7d]

Cause you're scum.


That post was the slimiest safest response for that question ever and your prior play had the same ring to it.


Love the response too, desparation + Ad hominem, definitely the towniest response to a wagon forming on you ever.

This was at Ronike. What the ****. That's either the HUGEST gambit I've ever seen, or there's two scum factions, or there's like a really lame framer, but I doubt it because that means Ronike is terrible because he didn't give us reads at the end of day 1 to make it look like he was town, so I don't believe that for a second.

Screw you Chibo. There's two scum factions. I'm like, 70% sure at this point. There's no frikken way Adumb would try and make that play. J, Marshy, are you familiar with playing with Adumb/Ronike? Do you have any meta on their scum? Would they really try some **** like this?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

yes pierce they would do this ****. they were partners. adum always busses relentlessly. rajam is NOT living and thers only 1 scum faction. stop this ****

more later

 

[Pierce7d]

*sigh*

Bardull isn't scum, and I'd prefer ronike, but...

unvote, Vote: Kary

I wanna finish up solidifying my reads before we end but currently:


Townbros:

Marshy
OS
Pierce

Probabably townbros:

Bardull

Null:

J
John2k
Chibo

Probably not townbros:

Sanfroid
Rajam

Definately not townbros:

Kary
Ronike


Special:

Sephi (townbro if doesn't have a nk, not townbro if he doesn)


I especially wanna get those nulls hammered down before we finish but if we do finish before I can, scythe through the nulls or worse.

And don't let sephi get away with controlling his nk if he has one.

This makes me want to lynch Kary hardbody right now.

 

[Pierce7d]

yes pierce they would do this ****. they were partners. adum always busses relentlessly. rajam is NOT living and thers only 1 scum faction. stop this ****

more later

Oh, aight. Getting your scum partner killed Day 1 and hoping not to get caught seems like a terrible gambit to me, but if the meta supports it, I won't question it anymore.

Still feel more comfortable lynching John over Sangfroid.

 

[Pierce7d]

My thoughts on a few of the recent posts here:

Alright I was able to skim through just about everything before I passed out from 3AM reading. I like marshy, J, and probably OS. I do not like Barbell, and I do not like Kary at this moment. Barbell I want dead first though.

Marshy we can be townbros. I still think Barbell is the better path, mang.


What's Barbell at vote-wise?

Buddy with Marshy was like the scum strategy this game. I'm thinking you are scum John.

 

[Pierce7d]

is the only person who has actually made a case against Bardull
is accused by Bardull of not contributing
my face when

Scumpicks, as before, are Bardull > Ronike > J/adum
Town picks: marshy > OS > Seph > Sang

But then again my reads aren't great, and there's not a lot to work with.

Between you basically just liking anyone who likes you, hopping between my waggon and Ronike's screaming for claims, and not really responding to the points I actually made against you... I don't like your slot, sorry. If you're town that's lame, but the way this day has gone I'm afraid I need you dead before I can push anything else.

Hmm . . . I don't see the Ronike/Bardull/Adumbrodeus scumteam. I just don't. I mean, my reads are getting ****ted on out here except for my Day1 read on Adumb. The vote on Ronike for the first half of the day can barely be called a solid read. More like a lucky guess because I wasn't comfortable with his play, but that could happen with any townie. But what does this tell us about Kary?

 

[Pierce7d]

Just did a reread of most of day 1. Right now, I think John and Kary are better lynches than Sang. Sang is a major liability because she's really inactive, but she's not actually scummy to me. Just not there enough.

Also, looking through Adumb's list, I think he was planning on playing Town Superman this game by taking control of the game via bussing his scummates, and that got ruined when he hit a bomb N1 (you tight). I'm thinking Kary might be best lynch for today.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Man, so much I need to catch up on.
At least that's a pretty good flip to wake up to. Really want to hear from Seph with regards to his claim of vig...

Happy that adum's dead, regardless though.
Yeah, still don't want people killing me particularly

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Pierce, you're like a totally different person today. Anyways, can you explain some of this stuff for me:

I think there are two seperate mafia factions though, which is going to disrupt my read a little bit. Adumb flipping scum, but being the 4th on his wagon means he either abandoned hope for Ronike being saved, and thought he could hide himself there, or there's two mafia factions. Considering the behavior of players like Kary, I'm willing to believe the latter.

How confident are you that there are two factions?
Pretend i'm a null read, are there still two factions?

I can't believe OS was the NK target though. I guess Adumb really was afraid of that Doc, LOL

Can you explain to me why you're surprised OS was a target?
Didn't you say somewhere that you thought he'd been crumbing cop?

Vote for and try to have lynched are very different. I still think Kary's play has been scummy as all hell, especially considering the Adumb flip.

I don't get how adum's flip makes me look scummy, sorry. Can you explain this?
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Maaaan I wanna tell you something but I'm not going to.

I like suspense.

Doc should deffo be on Marshy/Pierce. Wifom it up there. Trust me on that one haha.

J is the SK

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

This was a sick read, retrospectively

lol wasn't it?

so glad I wasn't dense at the end of the day. *brofist marshy*

Btw, look at the flips. Adumb didn't die to a bomb, I shot him.
I'm also one-shot, which makes indy less probable.
And I shot a scum, which makes indy less probable.
And I shot a scum, which makes scum less probable.

Sorry Marshy, gonna have to disagree with leaving me out of doc wifom protect. I'm basically a cleared town at this point. Leaving me around for late-game is good because town needs them good guys. **** PRs, we scum huntin'.

My sense of smell on some posts tells me to dislike J. I'll keep an eye on you J, but you're not the play today at all.

Pierce, listen to Marshy. Stop the whole 2 scum thing.

Let's PoE here based on play today mainly
town bros:
5. Pierce7d
6. Chibosempai (the closest I've seen to a mentally impaired person playing mafia, but he is town doing so) (jk chibo jk)
8. Sephiroths Masamune
13. marshy frozenmarsh751


not the play tho today imo list
1. J
3. Rajam
11. Kary

rest list
2. SangfroidWarrior
4. John2k4
7. BarDulL



I haven't reread d1 with those scummies in mind though. Kary is in not the play list because of Adumb's remark of "look at them noobtown tells!!" definitely think he was fishing for town points on townKary flip there tbh and the reasoning is strong enough to do for now.

J2k4 only on there based on his play today lol.

Marshy we lynching Sang then? I'm down, but no quicklynch today. My lists are too meh for me atm. Need to see things play out and have some time to reread.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I mean I'll even ask the mod

@Mod: It says Adumb was killed, and not that he died to an explosion. So he died independently of the bomb, because he was found somewhere else. Correct?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Then how did OS die without anyone else dying?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're claiming you weren't roleblocked?
Because adum could have roleblocked you then night killed OS
just sayin'

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Then how did OS die without anyone else dying?

alright Kary confirmed town gg even though youre trying to prevent me from being cleared shutting up would look good on you

Basic night action resolve is scum nk faster than vig nk. Just look at the order of flips. Not to mention, it could've been someone else who sent the NK.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're claiming you weren't roleblocked?
Because adum could have roleblocked you then night killed OS
just sayin'

I wasn't informed of being roleblocked, so I think not.

And look at the flips jus sayan