Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[#HBC | marshy]

i think seph wants to kill adumb based not only on process of elimination but the fact that adumb is an absolute pain in the *** to get lynched and likely to talk his way out of it

if so its a good thought process

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Seriously, what is Bardull doing right now?

I'm here again.

John, post. Hammer me and you're scum. Deal? Voice thoughts and reads.

Ugh, tell me there's actually any meat to this post. Can't see it at all.
Basically just says 'hey John you should contribute'

Oh, you've been so absent from the game that I forgot you voted for me.

Why do you want me dead, again?

Oh wait, and he's not even up to speed with the game
And he's asking people what they dislike about him again


Really don't see why people are so intent on defending him...


Yo, Bardull, can you please tell me what you think of either adum or marshy? Just a few lines on what you think about their play, not asking for a detailed analysis. Cheers.
y'know, on the off chance you want to be useful

yadda yadda think that's it from me today.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Also, there are approximately 3 egos too many in this game, just sayin'

I should probably try 'buddying' J again, maybe. where's my wink smiley?

No really, not much to say right now.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

more like

what are YOU doing kary. youre distracting from the mass destruction

 

[Overswarm]

WHY ISN'T BARDULL DEAD YET.


We're pretty much ready to hammer. Chibo is like the world's greatest vig target, and Kary is riiiiight in line for a lynch tomorrow unless I die (will explain later) or something else occurs that throws us for a loop.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

shut the **** up os. like you just didnt finish a game where you nearly singlehandedly win the game FOR scum

j/seph/me agree in kill list and go from there

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

d1 lynch: badull
n1 vig: a dumb
d2 lynch: no carey about kary
n2 vig: chibowned
d3 lynch: don't know yet (sang? rajam ronike)
n3 vig: don't know yet (sang? rajam ronike)

Kary is riiiiight in line for a lynch tomorrow unless I die (will explain later) or something else occurs that throws us for a loop.

Kary is in line for a lynch except if Marshy/Seph/OS/J dies

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

By the by, Kary's overall play has REALLY been looking like a new scum player.

"They expect me to find someone who is scummy, but I know everyone is town... except my scum mates" so he focuses on Bardull, yet he doesn't really want to sacrifice him which is evidenced by the fact that he votes him only VERY LATE.

Not to mention, in one post he basically admits to caring more about looking town than pursuing his scum read, which is basically claiming scum, but also claiming that his scum read is his partner, because otherwise he would just vote that person without thinking about it twice.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

PS Vote: Bardull

 

[BarDulL]

Better question: why are there still votes on me?

Someone summarize the scum Kary case for me while we're trying to the first question.

 

[BarDulL]

EBWOP: trying to answer the first question*

 

[adumbrodeus]

i think seph wants to kill adumb based not only on process of elimination but the fact that adumb is an absolute pain in the *** to get lynched and likely to talk his way out of it

if so its a good thought process

I think seph wants to kill me n1 based on the fact that I object to him running town.


Why isn't ronike dead yet?

 

[BarDulL]

This is also a good question.

@Mod - Requesting Chibo/Rajam prod.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

anyone who hammers bardull before j can make his longass post is autoscum

THIS is why i was rushing you j. we have people pushing this ****tyass lynch and no one takes him off -1 so you/me/seph can determine kill list

 

[Ronike]

Unvote Bardull

Still dont like you, but dont have time for this tonight. Ill take a look at stuff when I can, but if you haven't responded my stuff tomorrow (irl) my votes going back on.

 

[Overswarm]

shut the **** up os. like you just didnt finish a game where you nearly singlehandedly win the game FOR scum

j/seph/me agree in kill list and go from there

and the game before that I singlehandedly won it for town. I don't mind my play in Celebrity mafia; when someone says "I think Macman is scum, so I gave him a daykill" I don't believe him. He gets lynched because there's no logical reason for it.

 

[BarDulL]

and the game before that I singlehandedly won it for town. I don't mind my play in Celebrity mafia; when someone says "I think Macman is scum, so I gave him a daykill" I don't believe him. He gets lynched because there's no logical reason for it.

So we should lynch you because your scum read on me doesn't make any logical sense, right?

 

[Pierce7d]

This is getting tiresome. Bardull, if you want me to move my vote off you, stop pointless arguing with Overswarm and give me an actually good reason to move my vote off of you.

 

[Overswarm]

So we should lynch you because your scum read on me doesn't make any logical sense, right?

It makes perfect sense.

I've seen you play mafia in the BBR.

 

[BarDulL]

I haven't been in the BBR since my resignation a year and a half ago, monsieur.

Pierce, things wouldn't be tiresome if you had some rationale for your vote outside of blatant sheeping.

 

[Pierce7d]

Bardull, I have already explained my play, and it is generally accepted. On the other hand, you are on the chopping block. Is this really what you're going to waste your time posting about, or are you going to find scum?

The more I read your posts, the happier I am with lynching you.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

:yawn:

iight pretty much the only thing this game is stalling over imo is j making his post and controversy over the d1 lynch. looking at the player list

live (in order i like most): marshy/seph/overswarm/pierce/j/john/bardull

mass destruction: sangfroidwarrior/rajam/ronike/chibo/kary/adumbrodeus

im cool with riding to endgame with the people i have listed as good. the only thing is that its a pain in the *** determining the order hence why im waiting for j. if we can come to some kind of agreement on the ****ing order or d1 play then hopefully we can just turn on the jets and make this quicklynch/quickvig mafia. if any of em are bad guys well just figure it out later. seph might be sk but i really dont give a **** at the moment nor am i worrying about it. dont gotta make this more complicated than it has to be right now

 

[#HBC | Kary]

more like

what are YOU doing kary. youre distracting from the mass destruction

Well, let me talk to you, marshy. Where's your head at?

towns gotta stick with it and not get demoralized cuz there WILL be misfires. push through that **** tho. good to know were getting somewhere

likin sephs list except that i think bardulls town. might just have to sacrifice that townread

anyways ill post more in a few hours. cant believe im saying this but dont ****ing lynch anyone til me/seph can work something out

anyone who hammers bardull before j can make his longass post is autoscum

THIS is why i was rushing you j. we have people pushing this ****tyass lynch and no one takes him off -1 so you/me/seph can determine kill list

What's so bad about a Bardull lynch? You said yourself there may be misfires... and it's Day 1 for crying out loud, you can't expect the world.
Now, I know you want to talk it through for a change, and I'm fine with that... but are you going to argue with Seph, or are you waiting for J?
J has just gone V/LA, by the way.

Now, I've said before I'm not 100% sure on Bardull scum- it's more like 85%. But I think it's the best shot we've got.
And I know you're busy buddying J. But seriously, is Bardull that important to keep around?

Now if you really don't want Bardull dead, then I'm probably not going to be able to change your mind. But if you don't like where my vote is, then please try and convince me otherwise. Push Ronike more, argue with OS, show me Ronike scum, whatever.

At the moment I really don't understand why you need Bardull alive...

* * *

@Overswarm:Convince marshy to vote Bardull? Talk to me about Bardull being L-1? Stop setting me up for tomorrow's lynch?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

wait j is v/la?

**** my life

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I swear the more effort I put into this game, the scummier I look

Put your hand up if you're counting on that to lynch me?

 

[Overswarm]

why we need an order? It gonna change anyway. You got noooooothin' going on. Let's just kill the top 7 of this game and our vig can pick off people he hates from the 2nd group, and mafia can do the same to prevent our lynches from hitting outside our pool. Statistically speaking we should be able to find at least 2 scum by lylo this way even if lots goes wrong.

 

[Overswarm]

I swear the more effort I put into this game, the scummier I look

Put your hand up if you're counting on that to lynch me?

For the last time you die tomorrow not today. Work on that tomorrow. For now let's just kill Bardull. Maybe if you make a good enough case and he flips scum you won't die!

 

[BarDulL]

Bardull, I have already explained my play, and it is generally accepted. On the other hand, you are on the chopping block. Is this really what you're going to waste your time posting about, or are you going to find scum?

The more I read your posts, the happier I am with lynching you.

It isn't generally accepted, it's more like we have to deal with it because we don't have a choice. You also can't seem to out your reads for some peculiar reason, as with everyone else this day phase regarding my slot sans Kary.

I already stated that I want a Ronike lynch as well as a summary of ScumKary, and I want other people to post. No new content has been provided so far that I can work with other than you/OS/Kary/Seph's incessant pushing of my slot, Marshy saying "no that's dumb", J saying he'll provide a case, John going missing and not going in depth with his BarDulL scum read, adumb wanting a Ronike lynch, Sang being alright but absent, rajam/chibo not posting, Ronike taking his vote off me and postulating that he still doesn't like me but that I shouldn't be at L-1, and Kary saying I'm scum but also being indecisive as **** about it.

 

[Rajam]

Ok, let me make this perfectly clear.


There are three options:


1. You're an arbitrary townie and this is a stupid gambit.

2. You're a BP serial killer, or poisoner, or something of that nature.

3. You're actually a vig which makes you doing probably the stupidest thing ever, because no townie is ever gonna sheep you because of threat of nks. Bad scum will, and some better scum will find excuses to follow.


The thing is, in cases 1 and 3 it's so completely transparent that I feel absolutely no compunction in saying it out loud. This playerlist is quite frankly far too good.

Also, I find 1 and 2 a hell of a lot more likely then three because I honestly don't think you're that stupid.


So, let me put it this way, town as a whole will chose the kills. If a second nk happens in a single night and it's not the person who town picked, we will lynch you.



You have spirit, but playing stupid gambits is not a shortcut to being considered a good player and being able to lead town. You need to consistently show mastery.


Things like this:



If you had done ANY research on pierce or even asked anyone you would know that he has an incredibly low tolerance for flavor discussion. When I last played him, so did I.

He would not realize that I embraced rvs later and loosened my policy on flavor discussion.

In other words, this suspicion and line of reasoning is very in line with how town pierce has thought in the past, so it's a significant towntell.


I'm sorry, you're ballsy, I'll give you that, but getting town to follow you like this is both beyond your abilities and not a good idea.

I don't like this. You were clearing Pierce based on something really dumb. Even if it fits his town-meta, Pierce could adapt that as scum without any problems at all. Calling Pierce town based solely on that, given also that Pierce's contributions at that point were minimum... not liking

FoS: adumbrodeus

also, the motive for those lines in blue are because Seph didn't research on Pierce... what?

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Is Kary / BarDulL still a thing? Reading through their early posts I'm leaning toward it as TvsS. I don't think both are scum but their questions / responses feel weird and I'd be surprised if both of them flip town. It's like one of them is scum meanwhile the other is just saying stuff which could be misconstrued as scum, but I have a hard time deciding which one is each. I'm also leaning towards lynching one of them being more valuable than lynching Ronike

So, tell me which wagon can I join :B. Slightly leaning on Kary > BarDulL but as I said, I'm undecided

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Actually, I would not say I'm being pro town at all. I am deliberately indecisive on Day 1.

Um... Okay. I'm not sure if this is of any benefit, but alright.

Don't mind her vote on me per se, but dislike that it seems to stem from it being me or Bardull as the play today.

Don't misunderstand. I'm not solely voting for you because it's either you or Bardull. I'm voting for you because I think you could be scum.

sangfroid and chibo are swing...

Huh?

It's up to Sang and Chibo then. I predict Sang to join their side because it has J and because I'm being mean. I predict Chibo to join their side because he thinks I'm bad and stuff.

It's not up to me, because I really don't see scum Bardull and I'm not going to vote him if I can help it.

I think seph wants to kill me n1 based on the fact that I object to him running town.

Why isn't ronike dead yet?

Okay, this seems really out of place and a bit behind. What do you think of the stuff happening currently?

Put your hand up if you'recounting on that to lynch me?

Kary, you're looking really bad to me currently. All I know from your recent posts is that you are still posting about Bardull and focusing solely on him. I don't think I even know any of your reads, besides the fact that you want to lynch Bardull. Who are your three scum picks?

@Rajam, can you also answer? Who are your three scum picks?

@Pierce. Alright. I understand why you are coasting/whatever you're doing D1, but I expect you to post a bit more D2, if that's what you say you're going to do. I'm alright with you for now, but don't fall short tomorrow, please.

Sorry for being absent lately. I've been busy with graduation stuff for the past few days. Also, I'll be really busy this weekend so.

V/LA until about Monday

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

anyone who hammers bardull before j can make his longass post is autoscum

THIS is why i was rushing you j. we have people pushing this ****tyass lynch and no one takes him off -1 so you/me/seph can determine kill list

Then post your own.

I also don't see why J is included but not Overswarm. I value Overswarm's opinion more than J, and I think it's the other way around for you. I propose we include both, but the alternative option is we exclude both.
There is no middle way here.

Additionally, why haven't you posted your own list yet?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Bad editting of the post made me say the same thing twice. My bad.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Better question: why are there still votes on me?

Marshy wasn't this a scumtell to you

:yawn:

iight pretty much the only thing this game is stalling over imo is j making his post and controversy over the d1 lynch. looking at the player list

live (in order i like most): marshy/seph/overswarm/pierce/j/john/bardull

mass destruction: sangfroidwarrior/rajam/ronike/chibo/kary/adumbrodeus

im cool with riding to endgame with the people i have listed as good. the only thing is that its a pain in the *** determining the order hence why im waiting for j. if we can come to some kind of agreement on the ****ing order or d1 play then hopefully we can just turn on the jets and make this quicklynch/quickvig mafia. if any of em are bad guys well just figure it out later. seph might be sk but i really dont give a **** at the moment nor am i worrying about it. dont gotta make this more complicated than it has to be right now

O list posted. Good shee, only thing we disagree on is Bardull.

If J's BardullTown post works for me I'm cool with letting him go, but if it doesnt then I'm not letting go.

So, tell me which wagon can I join :B. Slightly leaning on Kary > BarDulL but as I said, I'm undecided

Bardull, but no voting for now.


Not down with J/Marshy/Seph council, when there is a "team" in the J/Marshy side there. Either Marshy/Seph or J/Marshy/Seph/OS.

 

[Overswarm]

You want me as part of your "team"?

Now I know you're town because scum wouldn't be nearly that stupid

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I'm pretty sure you could optimize our kill order for us in some form of way, at the very least

 

[Rajam]

Sephiroths, I like your read on Ronike in your #247. Is still that up?

unvote
vote: adumbrodeus

Also, J had brilliant reads on Celebrity so idk what are you saying in 247 as well. Given also that I have a town read on J (who is/was on Kary) and nullish-scummy read on OS (on BarDulL), I still prefer Kary over BarDulL. I'll keep reading meanwhile others can tell if I should pick Kary or BarDulL :B

@whoever asked me for my scumpicks: BarDulL or Kary first, not both. Then adumbrodeus. The rest of the people are either null (Ronike, OS, marshy, John, Pierce, Chibo, Sang) or town (J, Seph)

 

[BarDulL]

Rajam, can you give me examples of where you see scumKary/scumBarDulL as well as TownKary/Town BarDulL?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

I also don't see why J is included but not Overswarm. I value Overswarm's opinion more than J, and I think it's the other way around for you. I propose we include both, but the alternative option is we exclude both.
There is no middle way here.

...cuz j is good at lynching scum and os isnt? there is no nonjerkish way to say this. the first time i played with os (we were both town) he wasted a bunch of time attacking super obvtownbro omni and i had to put forth a lot of energy into derailing that argument cuz it was distracting from scumhunting. that was a few fears back tho. then just like a month ago we both played in gorfs celebrity rehab where he did much better. he proxied his vote to mine (similar to what hes suggested doing d2 here) til i died and we managed to lynch scum back to back. afterwards i died and j was the primary player to sink the scum. near endgame os/rajam nearly won the game for scum by pushing a mislynch while j/frozen had figured out the correct play its just os/rajam got their (wrong) way cuz they were actively clogging the thread with their wrongness. os will tell you he was justified but thats beside the point

if youre including him cuz he is more protown than j (i guess thats reasonable) then all 4 i suppose

quick question: if you were to make a pool of 7+ for the "live list" who would it be? 13 man game so focusing on a minority would be a good thing aye?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

think of it like this: with mine and js (i assume) pool of 7 i listed itll be 5 v 6 going into d2. thats a pain in the *** and makes it an uphill battle for the rest of the game for us. thats why im not having an "oh its just d1 no big deal@ attitude about this. if you can gimme someone to replace bardull (since we agree on the other 6) then lets hear it but look at that list: its full of grimy people who can all go

j hurry up please. deadlines in 3 days. ill push the kary wagon for you if we cant go ronike due you being busy if needed

@ rajam

vote kary. also stop playing 5 pages behind everyone else

 

[adumbrodeus]

Okay, this seems really out of place and a bit behind. What do you think of the stuff happening currently?

Frustration actually. I'm mainly pissed that ronike isn't dead.

think of it like this: with mine and js (i assume) pool of 7 i listed itll be 5 v 6 going into d2. thats a pain in the *** and makes it an uphill battle for the rest of the game for us. thats why im not having an "oh its just d1 no big deal@ attitude about this. if you can gimme someone to replace bardull (since we agree on the other 6) then lets hear it but look at that list: its full of grimy people who can all go

Marshy, bro, come on. I know that this isn't because I'm grimy, it's cause you're scared of the possibility of adumscum.

Flattering, but there's not much I can do about if sephi has a nk.

So do what you have to do, but promise me that if he actually does have a nk, that you'll make sure to lynch him before lylo. If he has a nk, he is a BP serial killer, period. Direct his kills and lynch him before he's a danger.

I'm gonna reread the playerlist before the end of the day to try to get a beat on everyone remaining.