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It's probably a mix of both I don't know. I think the old RPG mechanics system is back so we are back in business folks.
It says Action RPG on the UK Eshop apparently so might be a mix of all three.
Part of that was likely due to Tanabe taking Miyamoto's suggestions too much to heart. The guy likes simple things, but there is such a thing as too simple.
Gonna say this here: This game looks like more of the bad game we've gotten thus far. No story. No characters. An over reliance on the Paper gimmick. And yes, the battles look just as bad as before. Color Splash's problem wasn't the fact you had consumable items. It was that it was piss easy and there was no scarcity. You got paint, coins and card so easily that there wasn't a reason to participate in the gameplay. Until they show actual leveling up in this game, I'm going to assume the battles are equally as pointless. If they are going to try and make an Action Adventure game, then get rid of the boring turn based combat.
If they had no faith in a title or series, then they would just not make any new titles. Regardless of one's opinion, others did genuinely enjoy their time with Color Splash, notably Andre (I think) from Gamexplain, despite also hating Sticker Star, so clearly some evolution is happening to these titles beyond surface level and nostalgia vitriol.
Before this game came out, no one was begging for a sequel to Color Splash. People were excited as rumors were suggesting it was a return to 64/TTYD. No one said "Ahhh man, but I want more Color Splash." This is all you really need to know about the public perspective of Paper Mario.
Some other things to note about the battle system:Hey everyone, apologies for the delayed response on everything that's happened. Was a bit busy yesterday, and my inactivity on SB kinda stalled me from checking here as well, but this is definitely the kind of announcement to bring me back into the action to stay. I do think this is a good result in the end since I've been able to put together a more developed opinion than I would have were I to post a knee-jerk reaction to everything the moment I saw it.
So, new Paper Mario game eh? Looks like we're back on the map boyz. In all seriousness, there's a lot to talk about in the coming... 2 months leading up to the game's release, and how it will affect us as character supporters. To start, I'll share my own opinion on what we've seen so far. Since I don't know what all has been posted in this thread since I've only just checked in (I'll go back and read everything people have posted soon), I'll post any relevant links and images to what I'm talking about, under spoiler tags to save space.
For my overall opinion on everything, it could be summed up as cautious optimism. My first viewing of the trailer had me concerned, to say the least, thinking it would basically just be "Color Splash but better" like Color Splash was to Sticker Star. However, after all the info I've taken in since then, I've developed further thoughts on everything, overall more positive than my initial viewing.
To start, let's talk about the story. It's too soon to tell for sure if it'll be more engaging than the last 2 games, but it at least seems to be a step up with Bowser in a supporting role, rather than the main antagonist. There's some slightly darker undertones in the intro of the trailer, but again, we're gonna have to wait to know for sure how good the story is.
As for the visuals, seems about on par with Color Splash, continuing the trend of the overdone paper aesthetic. Not terrible, but I prefer the whole paper shtick to not be up in your face at all times. I've accepted it at this point, though it would be nice if they toned the craft stuff down a little. Since the origami stuff ties into the plot though I guess it can't be helped. On that topic, the origami visuals are neat at least.
And for the big one, gameplay. Since we don't have a lot to go off of in that department, a lot of this comes down to close observations and expectations. To start, let's tackle the big return of PARTNERS. While we don't know to what extent these partners will have a role in the game, it's been confirmed you will gain "allies" the likes of Bowser and the Toads. Now's a good opportunity to link the official site for the game, where this info among other things is all detailed, I recommend you check it out. https://papermario.nintendo.com/ Along with folded-up Bowser and Toad(s), the visual at the top suggests that the other enemy characters behind Mario are also potential allies, with a Bob-omb and Bowser Jr. being more or less highlighted within the trailer.
I'm still divided on this entire idea, since the allies seemingly look to have the basic enemy designs and I'm still uncertain if they classify as permanent party members or if they are just temporary allies for story progression purposes. It's definitely a step in the right direction, especially since it seems each ally will have at least some sort of introduction and/or substantial dialogue with some sort of personality, but the generic designs sort of diminishes their inclusion for me. I've heard speculation that it may be possible that you can potentially customize your allies with outfits, maybe providing them with stat boosts a la an armor system, or that your allies may progressively develop a deeper personality throughout the course of the game and gain unique outfits to match. However, these are purely speculative and it's equally possible that you will encounter a number of the same enemy type for temporary story progression, meaning at different times in the story you might have access to a generic Toad and the Toad in an explorer's outfit as shown in the trailer. It's just too early to tell for sure how allies are handled until they give us more information.
A short aside, since I'm not sure where else to put this, but it seems like the world is no longer divided up into individual levels and is instead more open world. I don't know how interconnected the individual chapters will be, but hopefully the format will be better than the last 2 games.
On the battle system, stickers/cards and Things seem to be entirely gone, and thank goodness for that. There's still a lot we're in the dark about when it comes to the battle system, so I'll keep my mouth shut about my opinions until we know more. There's no confirmation that an EXP system exists to incentivize battling, but I've seen screenshots that show the HP bar increases in increments of 10, so it's at least possible that it increases through leveling rather than HP increase pickups throughout the story, but we can't know for certain yet. There is also a new mechanic to the fights, where you can rotate segments of the circular arena to line up enemies to attack them all at once. I don't know how involved the battle system will be, but I can imagine some possibilities for strategy with this system. So, while it may be different from what we're used to, there's still potential for it to be good. Gotta wait and see. Here's a short clip of the system in action if you haven't seen it yet.
Also, your allies are able to participate in battle to some extent based on these screenshots. Unsure how it all ties in, but I can imagine the Bob-omb partner being able to explode and damage all enemies in the ring closest to the center, as one example.
Finally, let's talk briefly about where this puts us as supporters for Smash. There's an opportunity here. The timing is perfect. It's entirely possible Paper Mario has been considered for the 2nd fighters pass. With Byleth and an ARMS character being added, we're in a great position to finally make it in with this new game announcement. Keep up the support everyone, I'll be right there with you. Fingers crossed.
I think this brings me to the end of everything I wanted to talk about, thanks for sticking through this with me lol. I really, really want to like this game, so hopefully the game delivers on the expectations it's set for us. It may not be precisely the return to form we all wanted, but hopefully we finally get a good game out of this. Time will tell, time will tell. To end I'll share a cool easter egg in the game, so don't click if you don't want it spoiled and stuff.
Pics of all the different designs for Peach across the series. I especially enjoy the 64 one.
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Oh yeah, also a quick reminder to everyone that I have a Discord server open for character support and general discussion. Everyone's welcome, so consider checking it out! Definitely lots to talk about in the coming months. Hope to see you there! https://discord.com/invite/93kYmY5
Do you know if any of those risk-reward enemy mechanics are confirmed or is it all just speculation? Regardless I really love the idea, I think that would ensure that the battle system would have strategic merit if true. I just really want them to get the battle system right this time, haha.
They're speculating but the speculation really shows the potential of the ring idea.
I'm willing to bet that Origami King will be more like TTYD than people are assuming.
Just saw this and while it would be fine to get two unique characters from the same series if they were more spaced out, with the fighters pass having limited slots, it does seem unlikely that they'd throw in two mario characters. It first happened in melee which was when they lacked a lot of the major characters and that was a vanilla release. Only times it's happened since then is with clones which are obvious exceptions and Pokemon which is an obvious exception too but either way these were all for the base roster when resources aren't as sparce. I guess we could get both but I would by no means expect it unless we get a wave 3 which is also unlikely.
Add in spiny or flying enemies and trying not to mix the two in rows so as to not waste damage potential with one of your attack methods. The ring single-handedly addresses the issue Color Splash had where it was too easy to over or underestimate how much power was needed to take out an enemy and end up using the wrong move on the wrong enemy as a result.
A scorned fan can do anything to misattribute blame (such as believing full-paper aesthetics are responsible for losing other things they like) or pretend the actual good qualities (like the music) of the games they don't like are actually bad, if only by association.
When has a reveal trailer for a game, let alone an RPG of any sort (Origami King probably gets the Action-Adventure label for having more action set-pieces than past games, and the timer in battles for rotating doesn't hurt either), ever gone into detail for their gameplay, unless there is little story to speak of? This video shows there is a whole lot more going on than at first glance, stuff that would probably kill the flow of the trailer if they stopped to explain:
I'm not saying you're entirely wrong here, I'm just saying any news or reveals right now that doesn't have a heavy focus on combat and/or partners is going to be a bit side eyed by some since that's where most people's worries are. There could very well be another mini-direct on it a month from now will ease most fears and we get a detailed insight into a very in depth game that's a genuine a move away from Color Splash. Until that comes though, you're gonna see a lot of people defaulting to skepticism. I disagree with anyone who views OK with completely pessimism, but I don't blame anyone who isn't embracing it with open arms either.
I use to not like Super Mario Paper because it was the game that got rid of the RPG battle mechanic system from the series. But as I got older, I've came to appreciate the game more for what it is and honestly the story and characters are just as good as 64 and TTYD's. Super Paper Mario like you said is underrated.
Thanks! Yeah that looks to confirm Partners are in battle in some way
This looks really promising, well done!!
That moveset is pretty awesome, but 1 tiny thing. Right now if Kirby sucks up Paper mario the skill is useless. Anyway to give Kirby some sort of action with it?
Well it would work like Olimar's copy abilitie :
Thank you !
