VgtPrncfllSyns
Smash Ace
Wait so... even if my TV runs at 60hz, I would still have to hold B to make it play that way? Weak... I never have, I wonder if it would change my gameplay.
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PAL/ NTSC(V1.0/1.1/1.2) Disc Version Differences Archive
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Fox128
Smash Journeyman
I can't test this right now, but this is interesting:
Falco's upthrow (on Falco) knockback different in PAL?
Falco's upthrow (on Falco) knockback different in PAL?
Quetzalcoatl
Smash Ace
A friend put that up on his website for me. I guess the site must not exist anymore. Basically it just showed that the weight differences from ntsc-pal didnt make a difference at low percents but was about 1% difference at higher percents. There are also no moves that havent already been listed that were changed with respect to damage and knockback. If any changes still exist then it must be really insignificant.
^ Dude, where the **** have you been? *slap*
MrHazuki
Smash Ace
I think that Ganondorf's dthrow will send the opponent in front of you in NTSC. In my sweet PAL they will go behind you. Watch "Triforce of Power", where he chainthrows. That might be DI because it's not that way in my game.
And I also know that Links dtilt can spike in NTSC, and I've never done or seen it in PAL.
And I also know that Links dtilt can spike in NTSC, and I've never done or seen it in PAL.
Cronos_Rainbow
Smash Champion
There's several more...
Example go to Stadium with Mario, walk off one of the platforms (on neutral green stage) use aerial jump to jump to the second platform. You will notice this is much easier in NTSC than in PAL.
Example go to Stadium with Mario, walk off one of the platforms (on neutral green stage) use aerial jump to jump to the second platform. You will notice this is much easier in NTSC than in PAL.
Xx swift xX
Smash Apprentice
are you sure link's dtilt doesn't spike in PAL? hmm, are you hitting them with the middle of the sword? who knows....i don't play link enough. but i didn't know that any of the spikes/ meteors got changed into regular moves. Falco's spike got changed, but the first half of it's still a spike. but w/e, i can't really argue against it if I don't have PAL. 
oh and it must've been DI in "Triforce of Power", cuz ganon's dthrow sends 'em behind me in ntsc, too.
oh and it must've been DI in "Triforce of Power", cuz ganon's dthrow sends 'em behind me in ntsc, too.
MrHazuki
Smash Ace
I checked the link spike up and it does only spike if the opponent is above the blade, or very close to link. If the opponent hangs on the edge dtilt will make em go upwards.
Daniel Sanchez
Smash Cadet
does the version differences really affect your game that much. i mean like when ur playing does ur strategy change or anything?
Daniel Sanchez
Smash Cadet
can u check ur box somewhere for the version? and which version is ususally used by most people?
JBM falcon08
Smash Master
This is extremely useful, its kind of hard to understand but thank you for creating a guide like this.
XIF
Smash Master
dunno if this was addressed but...
Fox's fair is not longer in PAL version, the idea started when the last target hit of Fox's BtT was an AFA through a wall, and for some reason, NTSC people could only get 7.28. PAL users ended up being able to get 7.21 and 7.18. It was later proven that NTSC players suck and both Fox's can hit the target at the same time.
PAL Flippers hitting harder started again from BtT'ers, when they noticed that Marth fell over after getting hit by the bumpers. In NTSC you just get knocked back (the difference between being able to tech or not.) But It was just because Marth is lighter in PAL.
Fox's fair is not longer in PAL version, the idea started when the last target hit of Fox's BtT was an AFA through a wall, and for some reason, NTSC people could only get 7.28. PAL users ended up being able to get 7.21 and 7.18. It was later proven that NTSC players suck and both Fox's can hit the target at the same time.
PAL Flippers hitting harder started again from BtT'ers, when they noticed that Marth fell over after getting hit by the bumpers. In NTSC you just get knocked back (the difference between being able to tech or not.) But It was just because Marth is lighter in PAL.
I was wondering if anybody knew of a difference with Falco's dthrow between versions. I had trouble with my copy of smash so I borrowed a friend's and Falco's dthrow seemed much slower. On my copy it's very hard (maybe impossible) for Fox to escape being hit after Falco's dthrow yet in the other version, it was quite possible, easy even, to avoid it.
Anybody else notice this / has more information?
Anybody else notice this / has more information?
It's a product of 1% or less damage hits to cause hit lag, a difference between the various NTSC releases.
There's also a strange bug where Fox can't tech out of Falco's dthrow at low percents for some reason, which iirc is unique to NTSC 1.0.
There's also a strange bug where Fox can't tech out of Falco's dthrow at low percents for some reason, which iirc is unique to NTSC 1.0.
Doraki
Smash Lord
I thought fox couldn't tech falco's dthrow ever in all the ntsc versions...
Is it me or is shooting yourself with the barrel on the dk stages a bit longer in NTSC than in PAL ?
Is it me or is shooting yourself with the barrel on the dk stages a bit longer in NTSC than in PAL ?
Battousai780
Smash Ace
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I'm so confused.
Doraki
Smash Lord
no hitlag on 1% moves is terrible, lol @ superscope hahaha
Also, JD and me are pretty sure that a few moves have more stun in NTSC than in PAL, for example, Falco's dair stuns a lot more here.
Also, JD and me are pretty sure that a few moves have more stun in NTSC than in PAL, for example, Falco's dair stuns a lot more here.
"Stun" is such a loose term in smash.
And no hitlag on 1% moves is what actually made certain moves not royally suck. Zelda's smashes, for example.
And no hitlag on 1% moves is what actually made certain moves not royally suck. Zelda's smashes, for example.
Doraki
Smash Lord
stun as in "I'm spiked by falco's dair as fox at like 10%, which is not enough to be able to wall tech it, and I can't recover in NTSC though I could in PAL"
JD said he could do a lot more comboing with falco's dair thanks to that stun, too...
JD said he could do a lot more comboing with falco's dair thanks to that stun, too...
Metal Master
Smash Rookie
I don't know if this applies to 1.1 and 1.2, but I used to own version 1.0, and if you had a stock match with time limits, if a sudden death occurs, you keep the lives you ended with for sudden death. So, if you had a 5-man melee and no one died, sudden death would be 5-man. after someone stepped on my disk, I got version 1.2, and I found out that if you have a stock match and went into sudden death, you automatically drop to one life, even if you had more.
Sorta sucks, because I used to have 99-man sudden death with bombs flying everywhere (you don't get that in super sudden death).
Sorta sucks, because I used to have 99-man sudden death with bombs flying everywhere (you don't get that in super sudden death).
Dr.ROC
Smash Apprentice
I heard that if u have a certain version that you can see peach w/ a third eye in her yellow or daisy costume. If so, what version is it?
darkatma
Smash Hero
NOOOOO Pen*s!!
somehow my 1.0NTSC version got switched w/ someone's 1.2 version
MY ZELDA AARG i CANT FSMASH!!! SMASH ISNT WORHT PlAyING ANYMORE (T.T) (T.T)
somehow my 1.0NTSC version got switched w/ someone's 1.2 version
MY ZELDA AARG i CANT FSMASH!!! SMASH ISNT WORHT PlAyING ANYMORE (T.T) (T.T)
fenixkaldoran
Smash Apprentice
how do u fnd out which version u got?
Droly
Smash Ace
Whats the official version that people play like MLG
Meme
Smash Journeyman
Are both versions playable on a single gamecube..?
e.g. PAL & NTSC Can run in an american gamecube?
e.g. PAL & NTSC Can run in an american gamecube?
Thino
Smash Master
obviously not. but 1.0,1.1 and 1.2 are playable on a NTSC gamecube
Wendy Wu
Smash Apprentice
lol your perminatly banned
Master Fist
Smash Rookie
i have a difference, Roys fsmash can spike if timed right in PAL. And btw metal master, in PAL version, u cant even have a time limit in a stock match... or an amount of lives in a timed match, PAL really sux compared to other versions...
Thino
Smash Master
"And btw mteal master, in PAL version, u cant even have a time limit in a stock match... "
lies
lies
Master Fist
Smash Rookie
no its the truth, the only version i have is PAL, and there's no time limit for a stock match, trust meh
The Dude
Smash Apprentice
just go to additional rules. Same as NTSC.
Master Fist
Smash Rookie
forgot about the additional rules ¬¬
btw i dunno if this has been said but,
"Fox can tech out of falco's down throw in PAL" falco can do so to foxes down throw aswell in PAL...
btw i dunno if this has been said but,
"Fox can tech out of falco's down throw in PAL" falco can do so to foxes down throw aswell in PAL...
shinehex
Smash Lord
where can the other version be purchased?
Captain Smashie
Smash Apprentice
just ebay it off **ebay.co.uk**
(tho i wouldnt bother... no spikes for marth makes me cry)
btw. im surprised noone's mentioned ganons fair is major weakened in pal. its much weaker than doc's now, for a start.
(tho i wouldnt bother... no spikes for marth makes me cry)
btw. im surprised noone's mentioned ganons fair is major weakened in pal. its much weaker than doc's now, for a start.
drago980
Smash Apprentice
If you have different versions of the game, will it detract you from enjoying SSBM?
Captain Smashie
Smash Apprentice
i think the removal of sheik's chaingrab is good but no spike combos fr marth makes him a slightly more boring character, because forward smash is no your only main KO option, and err weakening ganon war a bit silly... theres not that much difference really, but i'd rather have NTSC (being a PAL marth player)