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OS All-Stars: Game over! TOWN WINS!

BarDulL

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TOWN
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BarDulL - Boss hog gangsta

BM - Town. Good reads, good play, both players fit their meta well.

Krystedez - Confirmed Town via gambit. No room for doubt on this.

Inferno3044 - Going to prove ability use tonight, killing a null slot.

El ZV - There's a little doubt (he may be indy), but his thought process makes sense. His language is fine. Xivii half of the hydra bothers me because it's too nonchalant for its own good (but maybe he just doesn't care about the game?), but Chibo seems like typical Chibo.

TOWN LEAN
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FrozenMarsh751 - I can see his train of thought. DID NOT like the way he was pushing HepAlien slot on the premise that he doesn't want to deal with Circus/Nabe (but it was definitely more along the lines of a 'fear of the unknown' rather than a scummy push on the HepAlien slot. His switch to Ran seems fine, and he seems to really like BM to a level of obvious buddying. This is similar to his play in PM64 when he was sticking with J. I'm comfortable with this slot for now.)

Make it Rain! - I don't have a good read on this slot primarily because reading Xonar/Washed isn't easy for me to do, however there seems to be a consensus that they are fine. I'm ok with keeping this slot around since they seemed largely productive earlier in D1. Don't know where they went missing though.

NULL
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HepAlien - I haven't seen much from this slot. Didn't immediately bite into the Chibo case, and I didn't bite into their play earlier on. Not sure why either since I usually click with Circus right away. Nabe is a bit of a hard read, but I knew right away that Nabe was the one who voted for RR. I just don't know what that vote means, or why he did it. Also didn't necessarily agree with Circus' assessment of the J slot role ability since I feel the role seems more town sided than scum sided, and a scum sided Setzer would have been accommodated with scum sided features. It's mostly disagreement however and not necessarily me finding him to be scum. His assessment of his wagon is, however, correct, so I feel a little ok with him.

Raziek - Fattest of the nulls.

JTB - Null. Seems to be playing catch up, but even worse than Rajam. I'd actually consider letting this slot get vigged instead.

Diamond - Has not participated at all, will not participate until next Monday.

RR - More of a null to me than anything else. Didn't like the points he was pressing on my slot, and IIRC it was a little late when he began pressing on me. Almost seemed like a chainsaw defense of Meadowsizzle at the time, but the pressure I was applying on Meadow was minuscule, so perhaps he chose me because he felt I'd be easy to wagon? Or maybe he just finds me annoying? Not sure.

Sho-Minamimoto - Didn't like the use of 7-Flush so early on Hep/Ranmaru...especially that it was used on Ranmaru. I -still- don't understand why it was used on Ranmaru. Or why J/Seph was completely oblivious to the workings of his ability.

Dark Horse - Seems sheepish, I'm not sure why people think he's Town. Probably the closest to leaning scum that I have in the nulls.

KevinM - Not familiar with this slot. Based on what he has done, hes been mostly sheepish/agreeing with Frozenmarsh, but he has been outward about it. Don't know what this means for the slot.


Scum lean
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Ranmaru - Did not like the way he entered the game regarding myself and Krystedez. Seemed like an easy vote on Krystedez and partial omgus to my vote on him? I'm not sure, his reaction to my vote is weird. 100% ok with him being 7flush'd.

MeadowSizzle - Strongest scum lean. A part of me wants to keep Meadowsizzle along as a resource because his experience is valuable. However, there are things he has done in this game that rub me the wrong way too much. Trying to set himself up as authoritarian and in a position to lead Town by degrading others is BLEAGH. Sometimes it's a fine thing to do when it isn't done inadvertently for means other than to set yourself up as seeming better. I.E. me telling Inferno that his posts suck when they do actually suck. However, there was a post Inferno made that didn't necessarily warrant such treatment when Inferno made a sheep vote on El ZV, however Meadowsizzle made the attack anyway. It seemed out of place.

Things like telling me that I'm far too deep in the rabbit hole is also odd considering he is trying to deter me from reading into the El ZV slot? But why would he do this? It seems more like an ushering of superiority rather than a town driven incentive to correctly find scum. It seems like another set up to try and keep himself above being lynched, if that makes sense. The way he attacked Inferno's post earlier in the game is another example of this behavior; the attack was unwarranted because it was early RVS bandwagoning and Inferno hadn't done anything blatantly wrong from what I'd seen in his posts at that stage in the game. There's ALSO his mentioning of how "Stew played BarDulL," but it seemed out of place and unnecessary. I'm not sure why he did this

There's also his attack on my language and my level of confidence in my scum read on him as opposed to a legitimate counterargument to my accusation. Why attack my positioning instead of attacking my reasoning? Isn't that almost the same as avoiding the main problem for another day? I wouldn't call it blatant conceding that I'm right, but perhaps a strawman is the correct way to put it.

His argument with Make it Rain! also seemed fake, as his shouting match with MiR seemed unnecessary and not genuine as seen in his quick change of thought from "ASASADASDAS CAPS!" to "Anything else before I go?" Like, where did all the anger and rage go? Too out of place and odd for my tastes.

So that's where I'm heading at the moment. Meadowsizzle lynch.

Vote: Meadowsizzle
 

Bubbly Masquerain

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Unvote

This slot as a whole is re-reading, hence why we're asking questions on stuff we missed or glanced over, since ZV was honestly our last scum read after all of the claims went through and we re-read the claimed slots.

We're pretty much sold on Ranmaru over HepAlien, though. That won't change without convincing from town bros.
 

BarDulL

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BM, started not to like FrozenMarsh because he was pushing for a lynch on HepAlien on the premise that "HepAlien is a bigger threat," lol. The high horse thing with me was bugging me as well. But otherwise I think he's ok to stick arounmd.
 

BarDulL

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Bardull is starting to annoy me because his posting habits have a lot of fluff in them just to seem like he's all over the place.

Bardull, you've been throwing around a lot of suspicion lately, I want you to buckle it down to a top 3 and highlight some posts that make you think they deserve it.
I seem like I'm everywhere because I am everywhere. :awesome:

On the contrary, I haven't been throwing suspicion around. See my read list.
 

BarDulL

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BM, do you agree/disagree anywhere with my read list?

Sorry for the large wall, but 17 people = a lot to write about.
 

Bubbly Masquerain

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I think Hep should be slightly higher, and I'd put RR lower.

I also don't see the Meadow hate too much. I can see why he made those comments about your language, since they really did make the attack seem slightly uncertain.

I'll go into everything tomorrow though lol. Too tired to really play, and the other head still needs to catch up before finalizing reads we have.
 

BarDulL

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You think RR is potential scum? I have him at null, and I'll agree that he isn't fitting appropriately into his standard town meta.

But why attack the language and not the argument itself?

Alright, see ya.
 

Bubbly Masquerain

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Maaan too hungry to sleep -.-!

I'll pull some Ryu posts so I can explain myself fully.

If the attack comes off as uncertain, than it's easier to show someone that they're uncertain about it than it is to break down their uncertain reasoning. I would have personally done both, but that's besides the point. I think I also feel that this action doesn't really point towards an alignment simply because it's Ryker, but that may just be me lol.
 

frozenmarsh751

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joey...please just stop posting and let John do it. ruy is obvtown and your questions to me are silly. hepalien is also still an abomination. you are still my townbro but are being redonkulous

also they let me off work early so ima be at a comp in roughly an hour
 

Bubbly Masquerain

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Actually there aren't many Ryu posts that have enough content that are worthy of quoting lol.

I mean, look at how he incriminated you. "I'm not throwing SvS out of the picture" versus "Why you think SvS is still very possible?"...

He hasn't really gone into any of his scum reads that well in this game at all lol. Look at El ZV... "Wow this is sewious -insert vote here-" was pretty much the whole thing he had with ZV before moving on to you. Then when he gets on you, he kinda attacks you for a bit, and I'll admit, two or three of his posts were decent, but then he drops all of the pressure he possibly had on you (assuming this was when he ran out of things to say) and just started saying "More votes on Bardull!"

:/.
 

JTB

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was away for 4th of july stuff

why are there another 7 pages

:|

I need to work on another game before I fully commit to this one, but I'll do my best to not fall too far behind here as well
 

frozenmarsh751

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Actually there aren't many Ryu posts that have enough content that are worthy of quoting lol.

I mean, look at how he incriminated you. "I'm not throwing SvS out of the picture" versus "Why you think SvS is still very possible?"...

He hasn't really gone into any of his scum reads that well in this game at all lol. Look at El ZV... "Wow this is sewious -insert vote here-" was pretty much the whole thing he had with ZV before moving on to you. Then when he gets on you, he kinda attacks you for a bit, and I'll admit, two or three of his posts were decent, but then he drops all of the pressure he possibly had on you (assuming this was when he ran out of things to say) and just started saying "More votes on Bardull!"

:/.
none of this is scummy. ruy is town. please just stop
 

Bubbly Masquerain

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>Missed something, so asked question about it, and asked for some reads as well.
>"Your questions are silly!"

Yeah... No.

I'm starting to think you have him as town just because he's following you.

@Bardull: Look at the questions I asked FrozenMarsh. Which ones come across as silly to you?

Also, since FrozenMarsh obviously won't do it, and since I'm pretty sure you've read the thread at least once thoroughly, could you possibly answer the first question I asked him? About Inferno calling his own play scummy or whatever? I'm really lost when I'm trying to find that, and it's really bothering me now ._.!
 

frozenmarsh751

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nah. ruy actually moved off inferno to go zv i believe? but no ruy is just town. read his posts son. ill pull up that post you asked for tho. at one point inferno said some dumb **** like "im actually playing like this for a reason believe it or not"

do you not remember that? it implied he was trying to soak up votes so he could use his vig shot
 

Bubbly Masquerain

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OHHHHH. It was a post before his claim...

Ohh...

Oh.

I wasn't here for that crap LOL

I didn't read those nearly as thoroughly since I thought you meant it was an after-claim post lol.

Ryu's Inferno vote was a Joke. He stayed on there for a duration of 1 of his posts. There were 0 content posts between his "bro vote" onto Inferno and his switch back to El ZV, asking you to join him. None. He joined the wagon simply because you asked him to. He went El ZV -> Bardull -> Inferno -> El ZV iIrc. Only explanation was Bardull and he got off of that **** right after begging for more votes on Bardull didn't work.

Okay I'm reading it over and I get what you're saying now. His posts do pretty much say that he's playing scummy on purpose. xD.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Actually there aren't many Ryu posts that have enough content that are worthy of quoting lol.

I mean, look at how he incriminated you. "I'm not throwing SvS out of the picture" versus "Why you think SvS is still very possible?"...

He hasn't really gone into any of his scum reads that well in this game at all lol. Look at El ZV... "Wow this is sewious -insert vote here-" was pretty much the whole thing he had with ZV before moving on to you. Then when he gets on you, he kinda attacks you for a bit, and I'll admit, two or three of his posts were decent, but then he drops all of the pressure he possibly had on you (assuming this was when he ran out of things to say) and just started saying "More votes on Bardull!"

:/.
My read on Bardull changed based on his reponses and actions to me.

I don't like his reasoning at the time and find it bad, not all of the time, but he believes it and that is a town tell.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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I'd kill ran over Hep because hep can leave a paper trail and something to look at, Ran is just not posting.

/inactive hater
 

frozenmarsh751

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@ msizzle

ok. one of your questions was why i had dark horse as town. youre right that he may be "generic" and "safe" and i assume thats cuz hes generally going with town consensus and little else. dark horse doesnt strike me as someone who will start a wave in-game so its kind of what i would expect from him as town. every other game ive played with him where he was scum he just got gangbanged on like d1 each time. why is he a PRIORITY? why the **** would we vig him over useless *** raz? you and i both KNOW that raz will continue to do nothing but ****post and make ******** conclusions. remember mario party where he actually suggested lynching ran who may as well have been mod confirmed town? at worst we lose an awful player or scum. to be frank i think you just want to keep him around cuz raz is likely to gratuitously ****ride you hardbody and you want him as sheep. i dont remember your other question and am too lazy to search it
 

Meadowsizzle

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Bardull, what does the safeclaim BS matter? This is a game where every role has been used before and so long as scum has a flavor safeclaim, they have access to a role written by OS.

Meadow if I gave you a gun right now who would you use it on
Raz in all likelihood. I want FroMar. Ask me again at the end of the day and I'll tell you which.
 

Overswarm

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Raziek (1) - JTB,
Bubbly Masquerain (2) - MOD, MOD
Inferno (1) - Sho-Minamimoto,
HepAlien (1) - Make It Rain!,
Frozenmarsh (3) - El Zv, Meadowsizzle, Inferno3044,
El ZV (4) - Red Ryu, HepAlien, KevinM, Frozenmarsh751,
Krystedez (1) - Ranmaru,
Meadowsizzle (1) - Bardull,

Not Voting: Raziek, DiamondFalcon, Meadowsizzle, Krystedez, Bubbly Masquerain,


7-Flush Vote:

HepAlien (7) - Inferno, ShoMinamimoto, Xonar, Dark Horse, Meadowsizzle, KevinM, Raziek,

Ranmaru (4) - HepAlien, Bubbly Masquerain, frozenmarsh, Bardull



With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is set for Wednesday, July 11th, at 3:00 p.m EST

Bardull said:
@MOD - Seriously. IDM was BLEH.
How..... depressing.

Clarification: You can unvote and change votes on the 7-flush lynch, but there is no "hammer"; it ends when the day ends. I had mentioned that it was "like a regular lynch" in a previous post and realized that could cause confusion, as I was referring to the ability to change votes.


Let me know if there are any errors.
 

Meadowsizzle

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@ msizzle

ok. one of your questions was why i had dark horse as town. youre right that he may be "generic" and "safe" and i assume thats cuz hes generally going with town consensus and little else. dark horse doesnt strike me as someone who will start a wave in-game so its kind of what i would expect from him as town. every other game ive played with him where he was scum he just got gangbanged on like d1 each time. why is he a PRIORITY? why the **** would we vig him over useless *** raz? you and i both KNOW that raz will continue to do nothing but ****post and make ******** conclusions. remember mario party where he actually suggested lynching ran who may as well have been mod confirmed town? at worst we lose an awful player or scum. to be frank i think you just want to keep him around cuz raz is likely to gratuitously ****ride you hardbody and you want him as sheep. i dont remember your other question and am too lazy to search it
You didn't elaborate on DH town. NONE of that makes DH town.

I don't think I've put DH down as a priority at all after the game got started and before it was really rolling, there's nothing wrong with that call-out. I may have put him on my vig list with half the cast as well. What keeps him there is your unbased white knighting.

Why is he town, not why is what he's doing not a scum tell.


I want why you have Hep scum.


Leaving for awhile. Optometrist follow-up appointment.
 

frozenmarsh751

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It's tough for me to make a general read overall, since to me 90% of this game is just calling me scum for reasons I don't get or with no reasoning at all. So when them all acting so similar in respect to me, it's hard to tell them apart. The closest I have to solid scum reads was when I analyzed the wagon on me earlier in the game, this post:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14640587&postcount=336

To which I feel the most scum coming from Meadow

and this these three posts in suggestion, that show my distaste for frozenmarsh:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14643305&postcount=526
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14643306&postcount=527
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14643321&postcount=528
so msizzle is your biggest scumteam but you vote is on me. does the xiivi half think im scum? your case doesnt explain why im scummy. you basically just summarized my play and said "i know they are both better than that" what the ****? ive done all the **** you described in a game we JUST finished playing
 

#HBC | Dark Horse

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You know what?

Unvote 7-Flush, 7-Flush Vote: Ran

Hep clarified the two posts that were the reason for my incap in the first place. Ran's scummier now.
 

frozenmarsh751

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If you really believe that, why are you not pushing to vig him because any trail he would leave is supposed to be dead cold?
cuz raz is a better vig shot. i value 5 posts a dayphase from xiivi than anything raz says. the former at least ****ing tries

your pushes on me ****ty. theyre more for "not thinking like msizzle" and "i really hope fromarsh is scum so ima call him scum and pretend like hunting potential partners makes his lynch more viable"

im at least glad to know that youve said reading frozen is easier than a dr seuss book. it brings me joy to see you admit to an unrivaled ineptitude at reading comprehension
 

frozenmarsh751

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You know what?

Unvote 7-Flush, 7-Flush Vote: Ran

Hep clarified the two posts that were the reason for my incap in the first place. Ran's scummier now.
OH MAN DHORSE ROLLING WITH A POPULAR TRAIN OF THOUGHT FOR TOWN

**** EXPLAINING WHY HES LIKELIER TO BE SCUM THAN JUST TOWN ROLLING WITH WHATS GOING DOWN. LETS PUT HIM ON THE VIGLlST AND ATTACK ANYONE WHO DISAGREES
 

frozenmarsh751

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not my style. go be wrong elsewhere.
your pushes on me ****ty. theyre more for "not thinking like msizzle" and "i really hope fromarsh is scum so ima call him scum and pretend like hunting potential partners makes his lynch more viable"

im at least glad to know that youve said reading frozen is easier than a dr seuss book. it brings me joy to see you admit to an unrivaled ineptitude at reading comprehension
OH MAN DHORSE ROLLING WITH A POPULAR TRAIN OF THOUGHT FOR TOWN

**** EXPLAINING WHY HES LIKELIER TO BE SCUM THAN JUST TOWN ROLLING WITH WHATS GOING DOWN. LETS PUT HIM ON THE VIGLlST AND ATTACK ANYONE WHO DISAGREES
chic- a chic-ah

:thumbsup:
 

ranmaru

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Bardull is starting to annoy me because his posting habits have a lot of fluff in them just to seem like he's all over the place.

Still cool with El ZV going just because of Chibo.

Hep vs Ran wish both could die. Ran should be vig bait but now we can't do it.

John/Joey pretty obv town

FroMarsh- Meh

Meadow if I gave you a gun right now who would you use it on

Xiivi, you're top scum pick in this game currently? I don't want you to use the excuse of "90 percent of this game has been crappy wagoning on me". Anyone you specifically don't want dying today?

Bardull, you've been throwing around a lot of suspicion lately, I want you to buckle it down to a top 3 and highlight some posts that make you think they deserve it.

Hepalien, have you seen any contradictions in the way Meadowsizzle has approached D1?

Ranmaru are you going to play or should we just lynch you for being useless?
I'm just going to replace out.

Mod: Replace me

I'm sure I would have had fun, I just am busy with PSO2 and my guild. : D

Did my reads change? No. Marshy, the few times I had a scum read on you was because of small things and I still read you wrong. I came into this game to bro it up with No Lynch, and can't, so I wanted to bro it with you. Why can't I have that. :mad:

My scumread on Kryst was strongest, yet it was hard to convey. I just don't like that he isn't putting his neck out and is just going along with Chibo or Inferno. Like, did he initiate this read? I don't think so.

Bardull I just didn't like how he was voting, not just me. The way he voted Inferno as well, as a back up vote.

I also don't see what Bubble's scumread was on me. I would like him to explain that a little further.

So yeah. I'll be out. I'll answer any questions before my replacee comes in.

Peace guys.
 
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