OS All-Stars: Game over! TOWN WINS!

[BarDulL]

Or maybe he really was trying to incriminate me as scum? o_O

 

[frozenmarsh751]

Chibo literally can't drop scum tells due to Xiivis lame hydra strategy.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

If you really believe that, why are you not pushing to vig him because any trail he would leave is supposed to be dead cold?

 

[Meadowsizzle]

Or are you saying you have a read on what you assume is Xiivii?

 

[BarDulL]

I'm worried that Bardull's gambit was all a bit too real to be created on the spot for that...

Down to the detail of using Inui in the example, which OS basically always does.

Either he had good attention to detail in copying how OS writes his roles, or OS straight up wrote that

So I'm asking myself, if OS did make that excerpt... Does Bardull have the ability or not?

I don't think he does, for the reasons I said earlier. He's wasting it and putting himself out there. Using it just to become a scum target only to out Krys. Not worth it.

Soooo... how else could he have it with OS writing it to him?

Fake claim.

OS mentioned at the start of the day there are definitely traces of past roles he made in this game, that weren't included in others because of balance.

He could have easily created that Dr Strange role for Super Heroes Mafia, and ended up not using it because of balance (the idea of it is potentially a lil OP tbqh, basically a day time jack of all trades).

He could have given the old made Dr Strange role to a mafia member as a safe claim, that way Bardull has all the info about it (and the written excerpt of the power he tried to use).

As I just said above, OS said that he is including some roles he made before, but never ended up putting into his past games. Dr. Strange matches this very well as a role that would have been designed for super heroes, but taken out due to balance, and put into this game as a safe claim.

Even if you wanted to do it Bardull to play on his lack of experience, how would you not be afraid of someone else calling you out on it prior to him responding to you?

I believe I may be mistaken and that all roles have been in past games because of:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14618722&postcount=40

I read it differently in assumption that there may be roles in this game that were taken out of past games.

But my point still stands Bardull, why did you try to gambit something that could be so easily called out then by another player and prevented?

Why were you so interested in Krys' role exactly?

I don't see mafia aligned Chibo in this line of thought, honestly.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

Chibo literally can't drop scum tells due to Xiivis lame hydra strategy.

Do you know what he's referencing, Bardull?

 

[BarDulL]

Unless he thinks I'm Indy. Or a different mafia faction altogether. Or some ****.

 

[BarDulL]

Do you know what he's referencing, Bardull?

Xivii head of the hydra is very nonchalant and isn't reacting defensively or scummy, which contrasts with Chibo's reactions.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

No. Not even close.

Xiivii was hydraing with someone (Seph, I'm pretty sure) and he got to the PM first and deleted it. He then fabricated a new one (based on scum safe claim) and Seph played the entire game thinking he was town.

 

[BarDulL]

I heard that story before, but if one of the heads has no idea what's going on, then it should be pretty obvious after this:

El ZV, was there anything funky about how you received the role PM? Is the role PM you received the one located in your inbox sent by Overswarm, word for word and to a tee?

 

[Meadowsizzle]

>Implying he'll say anything other than yes.

 

[BarDulL]

Well, if one of them doesn't know anything, and they believe they're Town, they'll tell the truth.

 

[BarDulL]

Or if not, they'll certainly know after confronting the other about it.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

What motivation do they have to say anything other than yes? Unless they say no to try and derail a lynch, in which case, would you really let them go?

 

[Bubbly Masquerain]

Yeh those last few posts were Jeoy. John checking in here.

I'm late to this party, but Chibo, are you like not reading anything? Or have selective reading loss or something (wrt Barbell's gambit)?

 

[BarDulL]

Naturally, if they say no, they die. There's no reason to invent a scum role PM and have Chibo believe it. Neither of them are that silly.

I think Chibo was the one who told me the story about the fake role PM, so I'm curious if he would actually fall for Xivii's trick. Heart says no.

By the way, how exactly did Seph fall for it? Did he just trust Xivii too much to give him the right PM despite the PM being deleted from the inbox? (I assume that Xivii, even if he's an admin, isn't allowed to resend a PM under the mod's name back to the hydra account.)

 

[BarDulL]

I don't expect them to say anything other than yes, Meadow.

 

[Krystedez]

To answer Chibo's question; I realized quickly what BardulL wanted out of me. If he was telling the truth though, I wanted Town to know why I was playing the way I been playing and why Bard would die too.

Yes, I am a noob town player; I've played mafia 3 times and town 1 time. Being Crono with this ability, I figured if people wanted to threaten a vig on me, I'd have to react fast. I did so here because I was mad at BarDulL if he was telling the truth AND town AND doing it all at once before I could react.

I even tried to breadcrumb my as a means to show that if Inferno wanted to vig me, he was gunna have to explain why and (if town), figure out that my ability was a counter Didn't really expect Bard to run this gam on me tho.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

Naturally, if they say no, they die. There's no reason to invent a scum role PM and have Chibo believe it. Neither of them are that silly.

I think Chibo was the one who told me the story about the fake role PM, so I'm curious if he would actually fall for Xivii's trick. Heart says no.

By the way, how exactly did Seph fall for it? Did he just trust Xivii too much to give him the right PM despite the PM being deleted from the inbox? (I assume that Xivii, even if he's an admin, isn't allowed to resend a PM under the mod's name back to the hydra account.)

I assume he deleted it and said it was an accident.

You assume that Chibo doesn't want to be tricked.

I assume that he's not under such compulsion. I don't think they're doing anything like that.

 

[BarDulL]

But...he's an admin. Can't he just recover the PM?

Chibo isn't the type to let himself be tricked like that, and even if he "wanted" to be tricked, he would know that something's up and wouldn't play under the pretense of a town role pm.

That's why I'm looking over Chibo's questioning and I'm like..."doesn't seem like scum to me."

 

[Bubbly Masquerain]

Once you delete a PM, it's gone for good. =P

 

[BarDulL]

Or heck, they could have the mod resend the PM. "Yeah I deleted it but saved it." wtf?

 

[BarDulL]

This line of thought is distracting.

Assume Chibo received his PM just fine. Do you guys still see scum El ZV in that train of thought?

 

[Bubbly Masquerain]

Yes .

 

[BarDulL]

Show m e.

 

[Bubbly Masquerain]

But to do that we would have to go back and quote every one of his posts.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

No. **** that. Joey/John don't have to make a case when they're obvtown. Stop wasting towns time and stop acting like you run **** Bard.

/whiteknight

 

[BarDulL]

Shut your mouth Frozen. There's reasonable doubt and I can see Chibo scum hunting legitimately in those posts.

 

[Bubbly Masquerain]

I mean, this hydra can see that Chibo might be town somehow in some remote and distant galaxy, but we don't think it's possible to be that[/i] dumb of town. Chibo is a strange case, and we feel that he is scum (with Xiivi[?]'s occasional posts satisfying people enough that they forget about Chibo's posts for a moment).

For the most recent evidence, Barbell - his posts regarding your gambit and how he refuses to accept it as such.

 

[BarDulL]

Jeez man, what is with you today? Blatantly ignoring Chibo's posts and trying to get HepAlien lynched on the premise that he's good and Ranmaru isn't a threat...

 

[Bubbly Masquerain]

That's not the first time I've mixed and tags.

 

[BarDulL]

I mean, this hydra can see that Chibo might be town somehow in some remote and distant galaxy, but we don't think it's possible to be that[/i] dumb of town. Chibo is a strange case, and we feel that he is scum (with Xiivi[?]'s occasional posts satisfying people enough that they forget about Chibo's posts for a moment).

For the most recent evidence, Barbell - his posts regarding your gambit and how he refuses to accept it as such.

Why would scum refuse to accept it? Would scum really try to contest me at this point as scum? Right now I'm not on the chopping block nor do I feel close to it, so it doesn't make sense to do that.

 

[Bubbly Masquerain]

How is that even scum hunting, though?

It looks like fake scum hunting to me, since anyone (including someone as stupid as myself) could come to the same conclusion that you did without even questioning you just by reading the thread. Asking those questions when the answers weren't obvious as all hell WOULD make him townie. Unless Chibo is completely ********, then he shouldn't have had any reasoning as town to ask those questions. The answers were already out there. The only questions that were even not stated directly in the thread were questions like "Why did you ask this when someone could easily shoot you down?" and even that question is half-*****. A simple answer saying "Krystedez was viewing the thread, so no one would have had enough time to shoot it down", "Because people would watch to get a reaction on a player they can't read accurately due to him giving noob town or scum tells", or "The only person that would ruin a gambit like that would either be dumb town or scum, and we can figure out the difference between those two based on their previous play."... Any of those would have covered that and they're all half-***** answers.

The questions were completely pointless and I don't see any reason as to why you consider them "Genuine scum hunting" when it could be compared to "Fake scum hunting".

 

[BarDulL]

El ZV, what do you have to say to that?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No. Not even close.

Xiivii was hydraing with someone (Seph, I'm pretty sure) and he got to the PM first and deleted it. He then fabricated a new one (based on scum safe claim) and Seph played the entire game thinking he was town.

This is why mods should send the PM to all parties.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

in league will seriously read later.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

Bardull, get your head out of the rabbit hole.

 

[Inferno3044]

Tbh I do understand some of Chibo's doubt, but I definitely think its a misunderstanding. That fake role was extremely well crafted and if you are town and just made it up I commend you. Almost got so mad at OS if you really had that role.

Also I'm very bad at seeing people lay crumbs. Very clever crumb though. I will say if I was a better vig (eg. Jinx) I wouldn't have chosen to kill you. Who I want to kill I will not state at this time, but that person is within the pool I stated.

 

[El ZV]

I needed to do it because Krys' slot was either noob Town or noob Scum, but I couldn't very well differentiate the two nor could anyone else.

I like this reasoning, and iirc haven't you mid day gambited in another game before? I know I've been in some games where it has happened, and I think you were one of them.

 

[El ZV]

No. Not even close.

Xiivii was hydraing with someone (Seph, I'm pretty sure) and he got to the PM first and deleted it. He then fabricated a new one (based on scum safe claim) and Seph played the entire game thinking he was town.

lol I remember that, was hilarious