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From what I've seen, most events happen in Eugene and Salem. These events (at least for now, I don't really know much) currently host smash 3DS and melee. I haven't seen a brawl/64 tournament here in oregon since early september. Anyways I guess I'll be welcoming you to the community, even though I am not a regular here nor offline, but I'm just giving you some tips and such. You can get all the real info from t1mmy and t0mmy
You should check out SmashNest, the Melee and P:M regional happening this Saturday up in Portland!
No idea about Eugene, but at least here in Salem we have Melee, Brawl, P:M, and Smash 4 (3DS, soon Wii U) weeklies!
Do you play all the Smash games or only looking to play a certain one?
That is awesome, I wish I could meet up with you and practice my German (very rusty with it now).
Just as a heads up, we may not be having the tournament this Saturday; we're working on moving locations and it's not completely finalized yet, as well as the fact that I'm probably going to be up in Portland helping with SmashNest on Saturday.
If so I don't know where, sorry
Going up to Portland. I see my chance...it's so close...I can feel it...
I just wanted to double check if it was the tourney I heard about, like if you just copy & pasted the schedule/details of it.
pretty much for glory rules then i guess
For Glory rules? Definitely not; at least not here in Salem.pretty much for glory rules then i guess
also nintendodojo seems to be down, so what's the transport plan for saturday? i could probs get a ride to somewhere near I-5 if needed
what's the Sm4sh 3DS ruleset?
Sorry, meant "our Sm4sh 3DS ruleset" rather than "the Sm4sh 3DS ruleset".
aight thanks. are the event details up anywhere besides nitendodojo? the site seems to be down
I feel like FD only is an absolutely massive issue with For Glory rules, personally.
Yeah, that could be neat.
Please elaborate. Being subjectively 'awful' and being vague of 'other problems' doesn't help me understand exactly what you are talking about. What is this 'massive issue' that you address? Help me understand because, as far as I know, it is Final Destination where all the characters were scrutinized and balanced under a standard and competitive environment. If there is something competitively unviable with that Stage, I'd really like to know what it is.
I'm really used to 3-stocks, but for some reason it doesn't seem to fit right with SSB4. 2-stock matches seem like a good equilibrium. I agree with the statement that 3-stocks for Doubles works much better specifically in regards to how quickly Stocks are used and due to the Stock Sharing mechanic.
Unfortunately being happy or sad about personal expectations not being met is not something that weighs heavily in objective rules drafts. Honestly I would really like to see an event run with Customization set to ON and not have any restrictions on using Equipment. I agree that Customization brings a different style and flavor of gameplay which can be lots of fun and shouldn't necessarily be glossed over.
First, there's no real sign that FD is the only stage where characters are balanced. Granted FG exists, as well as the fact that CGs were removed and Projectiles were (mostly) nerfed, however this basically switched FD from something that should have been a counterpick (as it is in P:M currently, I believe) to something actually deserving of being a starter. A flat, platformless stage (in a game where the genre is "Platform Fighter", nonetheless) actually has a lot of implications and effect on the match, just as a stage with platforms (such as BF) does. Smash doesn't really have one "standard" or "neutral" stage, and that's part of what makes it great; it tests a lot of knowledge and tactics.
Were this the 3DS version, I'd agree with you completely that 2-stock works best for singles as people were a lot less precise with their offense and things seemed to kill later (may simply be placebo, but I know that even now when going back and playing 3DS friendlies at school it feels like things take a significantly longer time to kill). With the Wii U version, however, 3stock seems just as viable as 2stock. Either way could work, it's basically just a matter of whether we prioritize conditioning and learning your opponents habits more or shorter matches (-> tournaments) and theoretically more interested viewers, as well as whether slower characters like R.O.B. and DHD are more prevalent in the more developed metagame, or if it's mostly faster characters such as Captain Falcon and the like.
The important part of that wasn't the fact that I would be sad if they don't become standard, it was the reason why I would be disappointed. That would be mostly the fact that we'd be playing what is, in my opinion with out current information, a worse version of the game. Less viable characters, a lower number of options across the board making for less depth, things like that. If only there were a "Custom Moves: ON" toggle; I feel there wouldn't even be a real debate about this if it were to exist.
Nearly everyone I play with are happy to just agree to FD/Omega though.
Just was saying if I wanted to help set the rules for Apex it had to be done quickly considering it is happening in January and rules would need to be finalized well in advance so with holidays chances of me influencing it is slim. After Apex hits then a lot of TO's are simply going to copy&paste that as default (for better or worse).
It's the exact opposite here; I only know of one person (outside of people who have just picked up Smash and FG recently) who wanted FD only, and even then I believe that was only briefly.
All right, I figured that was what you meant, but figured I'd check. My question, though, is why have a separate ruleset for Oregon? Why should we want to have a different ruleset than most, instead of contributing to try and create one overall ruleset for the (at least English-speaking) Smash community? I don't really see the point in not discussing things there because we'll be using them locally; theoretically (admittedly there will definitely be differences in practice) everyone will be using them locally wherever they are.
I definitely don't want behind-closed-doors dealings either, however wouldn't a Conversation do just that? I was meaning that it could work if it was just for clarification or to discuss where to take the actual discussion; no point in having it if it won't be accessible and able to be referenced for those who we're hoping to have it effect.
Project M lists it as a Starter.
It didn't officially, up until For Glory with SSB4.
I am understanding of this sentiment - in fact, I am not fully convinced 'FD Only' is necessarily the best and only option - but simply saying "it's worse" or "shallower" gives me opinion instead of reason. When deciding on rules for competition it is reason, not rhetoric, that carries the most clout. If we went with only opinion, we'd have as many sets of rules as we have Smashers.
When I was talking about "Customiztion: ON", I was agreeing how it was 'interesting' but I didn't think it was in regards to 'competitive interest'. I was thinking it would be lots of fun and should be run alongside a tournament geared toward competitive interest.
In regards to talking about what Oregon is doing with SSB4 rules, I cannot think of a better thread.
I don't think there is a set of rules for SSB4 yet at Apex. This is why t0mmy said it's important to establish sensible rules early because anything that doesn't make sense will likely get copy/pasted down through other, smaller tournaments.
ah ok, jaxas said something about "apex's current ruleset" so i assumed it existed
I could've sworn I'd seen it marked as counterpick... Oh well, guess I was misinformed (I'm honestly not particularly knowledgeable about P:M).
I'm not sure that makes it the official stage of the whole series (or even just Smash 4), so much as the official stage of Quickmatch mode.
I've read Sirlin's work (though it has been a few months) before, so I understand the concepts that this summarizes.
Yes, 'bad' characters are something that every game has.
Yes, there have to be limits. Things like stock mode, stage limits, and more enforce those limits. The level of depth there is within those boundaries is what counts; obviously there is a limit where things become sufficiently complex to where the skill ceiling can become 'too high', but we're not approaching that by any means.
Well Customization: ON is definitely something that will happen in side events, but very few people actually care about the side events.
Well yes, if we're only talking about Oregon then here works fine.
I've always respected Japan's simple and competitive rules philosophy. I remember when big North American Melee tournaments started adopting Japanese-style rules. Some people didn't like the idea of playing only on more competitive stages, but eventually it paved the way for competitive Melee as we see it today.
It is a single standard stage intended for the competitive side of play. It was chosen specifically by the development team and is found within the game itself. I see the first statement as giving us a 'standard competitive stage' and the second statement as an 'official' decision. Opinions will differ, but if I am incorrect of any of this, please let me know.
I will accept the game for what is is, weak characters or otherwise. Aside from that, you and I do not even need to artificially strengthen or weaken characters with stages. How 'strong' and 'weak' a character is perceived is not only subjective but allowing for outlandish stages is about as accurate in helping to balance a roster of 49+ characters as turning items on High. Also, let's not forget that this game also gets balance patches apparently (3DS 1.0.4, and Wii U 1.0.1, with more presumably to come).
I personally enjoy watching high-level Meta Knight play in Brawl. I can also enjoy watching more casual matches that showcase other parts of the game, but when I watch Smash, I tend to watch competitive play.
This is where the revelation of artistic merit is born. If I do something I love, such as cooking using my favorite recipe, each time it will be something new and each time will give me another opportunity to make that recipe as best I can. This is the same with Smash; it is art, it is science - as long as someone loves playing it, it will never grow old.
It's a lot more competitive than that statement makes it out to be.
I didn't say "side event", I said "alongside", which would be indicative of equal footing. There is no reason to say one is 'better' than the other. I would really enjoy trying out and entering a Customization: ON tournament.
This question doesn't really need answering since every TO uses whatever rules they choose for each event they run. If it happens to be the same or similar to another set of rules, so be it. On a larger scale, though, every TO/region is deciding what rules they want to use for their events right now - it's not like we're secluding ourselves by doing the same.
Who's to say I'm not discussing things with other TOs in other areas? I've helped discuss, draft and propagate rules and standards with Melee, Brawl and now with SSB4 on a local, regional, and national scale. Salem/Portland/Eugene/Oregon/Pacific North West just happens to be where I'm most visible and vociferous in this regard.
This information would have been helpful to have known earlier. :\
