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ones that don't know how to whistle armor or pivot grab but can still win because the character counters my mains that hard. I actually found the most success olimar dittoing him with my first time olimar
I know the feeling. That customs makes you work so hard for almost nothing as a reward. Your best bet is to just fight it like you would normal spindash, but respect it's faster movement. You can still fsmash it away if it hits a pikmin if the sonic gets reckless. Just run away a lot, and make sure your movement is clean so you don't get hit when you try to throw pikmin. Try to make sure you're power shielding a lot of his stuff too so you have a greater chance to punish.
Does Akashic Sword frequent your boards?
Just to clarify, but you want me to go into the Luigi MU thread right? I can do that later today.
No... Delfino is what Yoshi wants since low ceiling. I like FD, but T&C can work as well.
But T&C also has low ceilings. Is Duck Hunt ok? I heard it was one of the best stages for Olimar. Anyways, thank you for your suggestions!
In my opinion: Delfino definitely isn't the best option for running from your opponent.
Delfino doesn't have a lot of room to run, and he can shark with uairs.
Some advices against the Sheik MU? I'm still waiting for someone to answer my request some time ago.
You have to power shield the attacks and disrupt her approach with purples. Her frame data is superior so you have to punish her attacks on you. Use your Pikmin to increase the lag on her moves, and practice the one frame punish on the ledge recoveries with yellow dsmash.
In addition to Myran, Its also worth mentioning sheik's fall speed and weight. Blue up-throw kills reliably at 120% with decent rage. Her fall speed allows high damage combos with d-throw to f-smash guaranteed at %'s around 20 and under. A thing I like to do against sheik is dtilt lock her due to her fall speed. It works from about 20~ to 35~% and can normally follow up with a strong uair or even grab/dsmash if they waste their jump. Knowing sheik's limited kill options is key to winning the matchup as anyone. Sheik doesn't have kill throws so shielding on the ground will restrict her to aerial chases. Her forward air comes out a couple frames before our whistle super armor so it makes it tough to use that move against her in the air although it can be strong against the bouncing fish. Until the sheik misinputs with something like a dash attack, I'm only looking for blue pivot grabs to kill.
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thanks!
He does not; surprisingly their boards didn't have much to say about the Olimar MU.
There's an area of effect around Shulk when Vision activates that slows down anyone within it. I think Shulk himself is moving at normal speed.
I actually had no idea of the counterattack in shulk's downb. I assume it can be handled the same way though because I can confirm that Olimar is not affected by the "slow-mo" that comes with the down-b when its proc'd by a projectile.
Although people will argue that Shulk is an Olimar counter, I feel its the opposite. I enjoy playing against him because now not only do I have to pay attention to my own pikmin, but to his arts as well. The arts drastically change each play style of Shulk and that's pretty much the key to beating him. Things worth mentioning are Shulk's lack of approach options. When one dashes at you, its more than likely it'll short hop a nair. Out of shield jabs into grabs are strong because of Shulk's poor frame data leaving him very vulnerable out of hitstun. Of course we all know this matchup is infamous for Shulk being able to counter each individual pikmin tick. Remember that the vision cannot be shielded. However, any shulk that abuses this against Olimar is a bad Shulk. Because the individual pikmin are proc'ing the counter, Olimar is not set in an attack animation as if you were to fsmash his counter. This makes it so you can act while he is in his "I SEE IT" animation. Shulk is also in slow motion in this window and Olimar is not (Correct me if I'm wrong) so even with the worst reaction speed you should be able to simply jump and avoid the hit. Now for the arts. I tend to mostly avoid shulk in jump stance because I just don't like dealing with it LOL. I think of Speed Shulk as Grab Shulk and, even in this stance, still has limited approach options, basically just adding a great dash grab to this kit and a possible out of shield jab combo. Shield is easy to camp and can combo him from 0-999% using up throw to various aerials. Buster is kinda where the match isn't super jank and we can easily out-space Shulk when he doesn't have one of the insane mobility buffs. Smash Monado displays smash 4 at its finest where a smash attack from either character will result in a kill at 70. Be wary of the down throw however.
Unfortunately my last Shulk set wasn't recorded or else I'd have some really great video evidence
Thank you this helpedAlthough people will argue that Shulk is an Olimar counter, I feel its the opposite. I enjoy playing against him because now not only do I have to pay attention to my own pikmin, but to his arts as well. The arts drastically change each play style of Shulk and that's pretty much the key to beating him. Things worth mentioning are Shulk's lack of approach options. When one dashes at you, its more than likely it'll short hop a nair. Out of shield jabs into grabs are strong because of Shulk's poor frame data leaving him very vulnerable out of hitstun. Of course we all know this matchup is infamous for Shulk being able to counter each individual pikmin tick. Remember that the vision cannot be shielded. However, any shulk that abuses this against Olimar is a bad Shulk. Because the individual pikmin are proc'ing the counter, Olimar is not set in an attack animation as if you were to fsmash his counter. This makes it so you can act while he is in his "I SEE IT" animation. Shulk is also in slow motion in this window and Olimar is not (Correct me if I'm wrong) so even with the worst reaction speed you should be able to simply jump and avoid the hit. Now for the arts. I tend to mostly avoid shulk in jump stance because I just don't like dealing with it LOL. I think of Speed Shulk as Grab Shulk and, even in this stance, still has limited approach options, basically just adding a great dash grab to this kit and a possible out of shield jab combo. Shield is easy to camp and can combo him from 0-999% using up throw to various aerials. Buster is kinda where the match isn't super jank and we can easily out-space Shulk when he doesn't have one of the insane mobility buffs. Smash Monado displays smash 4 at its finest where a smash attack from either character will result in a kill at 70. Be wary of the down throw however.
Unfortunately my last Shulk set wasn't recorded or else I'd have some really great video evidence
I don't think we have enough preliminary information to really make any assumptions like that. He's not even released yet.
From what I saw, Ryu looks like one of his main cons is having very limited approach options. His side-B is pretty slow and can probably be shield grabbed. His only (?) projectile seems like it doesn't provide any approach that, for example, a loid rocket would. But yeah way too early to jump to any analysis as Blue Banana was saying lol