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Olimar Video Critique Thread!

DtJ Hilt

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Alright, tell your friend this. Here's my opinion on the match and what he should do differently. If he can get in here and read this, that'd be great.

About him being "Grab Happy", the way he was doing it was... well, bad. throwing out grabs that much makes you extremely predictable. Also in several of the situations, grabs weren't the best option. Fsmash would have been better if placed there instead. Or usmash actually.

Also, the throws he was using were off for his pikmin color

Up Throw
I cringed every time I saw an up throw >.> It got extremely diminished fast and in almost every situation, down throw would have been better. For red and white you never want to use up throw... ever >.>... Blues and Purples work alright with up throw when the opponent is at killing percents (around 130 - 150% average depending on opponent). Yellow up throw should almost never be used, but I've used it quite a bit, to be honest. I'll do this when I don't plan on getting an up throw kill (i plan on getting a kill with a smash or forward/back throw) and they're at percents to where a combo or tech chase from my grab isn't too likely. Considering that up throw is the best throw for yellow grabs, i'll do so if the above conditions are met. Otherwise, never.

Back/Forward Throw
If it's not a blue, don't use them. Plain and simple. Grab your opponent with a red and your back's to the ledge? They're over 100%? Think you can get them off the stage and get a gimp? Don't waste your time. It will not benefit you and the only thing you'll be doing is staling your throw for when you do get a blue grab and could get the kill. Only other pikmin that's even close to worthwhile with forward/back throw is purple, but that's at really high percents when a purple up throw would kill anyways.

Down Throw
Use it. Use it a lot. Hell, use it as much as you can. Probably one of Olimar's most used attacks, and it has good reason to be. Down throw has two purposes. The first is to combo at low percents. Learn the basic Olimar down throw combos, like down throw to up smash, or down throw to forward air to fast fall to grab. Olimar's grab combos are amazing, and not using them is going to handicap your Olimar too much. The other thing I like about down throw is that it puts your opponent in a difficult position. After about 40% until about 80%, maybe a bit higher, after they get hit by a down throw, they're too close to you to safely escape without you being able to punish them for their action. Basically, the way I look at it is: They have to land sometime. So when they do, be there to punish them. Plan where they're gonna land and have an attack ready for that general area. Forward Smash, Grab, Down Smash, even Up Smash works really well for this.

Speaking of Up Smash, use it a lot more. It's probably Olimar's best move

Also, aerials aren't bad. Use them more. Look for openings your opponent has to land an aerial. If you can beat out what they're doing against you, beat them out. Yellow foward air is amazingly good. Use it. Too many times there was a yellow in front and there was the position to fair, but it didn't happen.

Also, it's debated that purple pikmin are the best of the five. However, this is only if they're used for the right purposes. You used them a lot for dashing grabs, which definitely isn't what they're good for. Purple Dash Grabs should only really be used when you know your opponent's going to shield and you can punish them for it. Otherwise, shield grabs should mostly be used for purple grabs. Other than grabs, though, purples are best for two things. Up Smash and Pikmin Toss. Purple Pikmin Toss, since it's a solid object, is amazing. It throws your opponent off, works as a defense, even works as an approach to an extent. Very rarely do I use purples for anything other than pikmnin toss. Up Smash and Down Smash with purples are amazing due to their knockback, and being able to kill most of the cast under 100%.

Also learn to whistle guard. There are sixteen frames in Olimar's Whistle that has super armor, use them. It's almost the perfect shield, especially in the air. If you're opponent's going to try to kill you in a predictable way (there was one situation where the toon link jumped right up under you and threw out an up air), throw out the whistle. Practice it a lot, it's amazing.

But just keep working on it. You'll get it down.
 

Llumys

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I only watched one video. In general, just read and utilize your line better, space better, and be a lot less predictable.

Read your line a lot better. You over-plucked a lot, like at the beginning of the match. You also could've used your line better.

Space a lot better. I can't really add much more to that, but don't hold forward while tossing, etc.

Be less predictable, and be more smart. Don't roll, throw out random attacks, etc.

Work on a few technical things, like dash canceling shield grabs. You did running grabs, which are a lot more punishable if whiffed.

lern2olimar. At low percentages, you were doing some stupid throws, like fthrow and bthrow. You want to dthrow so you can combo, and save your bthrow for kills. Also, don't uthrow with whites at high percentages, lol. Learn more mix-ups. Know your character inside out. You shouldn't have uaired into the ground, and don't jab a lot in a row.
 

professor mgw

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Thanks Llumys, Yeah i don't read my line, I just usually go with the flow, sometimes i do. Like at the end of the match with me vs samus I switched to purple for the kill.

Yeah tech stuff i need to work on as well.
 

DanGR

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For now, focus on your grab game. DO NOT RUNNING GRAB so much. It should only be done when you know you'll get the grab. Otherwise it leaves you really vulnerable when you miss, which happened pretty often. Instead, use spaced fsmashes more- especially against TL.

Also, what's the name of the remix in the 4th vid. ^___^
 

Noa.

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I would critique myself, but my computer gets really laggy watching vids. And I haven't been able to update the internet channel on my wii so it's really laggy there too.
 

PSIQuasi

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Oh No! Here comes Snake's Up-Tilt!
For now, focus on your grab game. DO NOT RUNNING GRAB so much. It should only be done when you know you'll get the grab. Otherwise it leaves you really vulnerable when you miss, which happened pretty often. Instead, use spaced fsmashes more- especially against TL.

Also, what's the name of the remix in the 4th vid. ^___^
That would be "His World" By Zebrahead (The Sonic The Hedgehog 2006 Main Theme), and Oni did the stage and music
 

PSIQuasi

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Oh No! Here comes Snake's Up-Tilt!
Btw, there are moments in some videos where I found myself doing absolutely nothing, while waiting for Oni to die or go back on the stage.

Should I actually be doing something in that time? If so, I had no clue '>.>
 

DanGR

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You can always fsmash off the side of the stage or organize your line. You shouldn't be standing still... ever.
 

DtJ Hilt

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Don't let him get back onto the stage.

Also, don't double post.
That's really dumb. Try to give more advice than "don't let him get back to the stage."This is a critique thread after all, giving specifics in advice would benefit a lot more. We should also tell him to kill his opponent, and to not get gimped, by your logic.
 

Fino

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dnMtUoM1oM vs royal nynja 1 (diddy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WoVRFinguY vs royal nynja 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz2YYW-stSY vs Tony (snake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84xOOQ9_39c vs Clel 1 (marth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb_YABR7oX0 vs Clel 2&3 (mk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZFEZs3JTlM vs Affinity 1&2 (mk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnislzlBtDM vs Affinity 3&4 (mk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB0WRN7L9mY vs Ratman 1&2 (snake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Bh9f5bMkc vs Ratman 3&4 (snake)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTSQRIuHgOA vs Doom 1 (downair)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Men8f6e3zo vs Doom 2&3 (weegee and downair)

still waiting on my favorite match of the night (vs holms - kirby). I hope it goes up soon.


~Fino
 

Fino

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A little too fancy with those pluck cancels. :p
Was I punished for them? If so where... that was something I was curious about myself... but if I'm not being punished why worry about it? =]

Holms vids are up... but I'll post them in the oli chat to watch later :D
(I'm still going through these that have been posted ^^; )


~Fino
 

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