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K fine I'll lets drop this, people are going to complain about anything just for the sake of complaining, but when did the no clones rumor even come about, cause all I remember sakurai saying was "not all characters will be coming back from melee and the ones that do come back get new movesets", now tell me how that can be interpreted into no clones?
I had to leave early that day, so I didn't actually have much time to see the update. But it was the one day I was thinking, "oh man, I've been hoping for Olimar forever, there's no chance he'll be today's update." So sure enough there he was and I almost fell back in my chair from shock and amazement.
I-I did fall out my chair. I have the stitches to prove it.
Wiseguy! You are right! This is what will most likely have the greatest impact upon the competitive smash scene. So now we of the Pikmen must find ways to apply this to the good captain. Which moves should Olimar keep in store to use as KO moves? Does this weaken how much pikmin can do while latched on? Let the strategizing begin!
This is almost exactly how my day went, and how great I felt when I saw Olimar was announced. Immediately after I saw it, a message flashed in my brain saying "Brawl is now complete. Enjoy. Of course then getting Toon Link and Wolf later on was just the icing on the cake
How do you think this will affect Olimar? Do you think because of his different types of Pikmin it wouldn't count as the same move being spammed? I.E. If i keep spamming only F-Smash with Olimar but each time it is a different color Pikmin, I won't lose damage and knockback.. not that I would though.
I think this will affect Olimar in the sense that players will have to use his powerful attacks in extreme moderation while making good use of his less powerful attacks early in the match.
What's the problem blitz? This is great news! Less spamming means more STRATEGY!
OH NOEZ!!!!
People honestly don't complain just for the sake of doing so. When there is something to complain, then we complain-- and different situations of appropriate times to complain are determined by each different person. In this case, a majority of the Smash community are complaining about the lack of a large character roster, and the amount of clones included. This, is definitely something to complain about.
To be honest, the day of Olimar's announce was completely normal for me, but I was hella excited.
Yeah, I was looking at that thread earlier today. I'm actually glad that they made it this way; it's never fun fighting against a spamming Zelda, Samus, etc. Though, any attack Olimar has can be dangerously powerful with a certain Pikmin. All that we have to do, is refrain from spamming our smashes. His aerials can do some damage, and his tilts are amazing as well. I think we're set, as Olimar mains.
Wrong sir. The 40 character roster and no clones thing are both SWF myths with no basis in reality. Zip. Nada. It's a mass delusion. Not accurate. It's false. Trust me: nothing of the sort was ever, ever said by Sakurai or anyone else at Nintendo. There is no such quote.
YAY someone actually listened to me, Thank you WiseGuy
Ummm.. Olimar is awesome, we have to assemble the Pikmin robot, IllidR is also awesome.
Well as with Pikmin, you can either be thrown or have Olimar use the C-stick to motion you over to it. Of course, this all has to be at the command of the good Captain.
I hate it when people do this. Please realize, that they have different teams doing different jobs for Super Smash Bros. For example, one team would work solely on the gameplay mechanics and functions, while another team would work just on the characters added into the game. Adding/taking away time from one development process does not take away/add to another.
Yes, the teams designing characters and balancing gameplay are spearate but surely they have to work in close colaboration. The character creation team could probably make characters like Oliamr relatively easily, but making him control in such a way that is both enjoyable and balanced takes time.
Hmm... so this quote exists after all! However, he said that's what he said he would LIKE to see. It's nice to want things. But we can't always get what we want in life. That includes videogame development.
I think the characters in Brawl have been significantly remade. The movesets of Link and Toon Link are EXTREMELY different this time. The same with Falcon and Ganon, Luigi and Mario, as well as Fox and Falco.
Clones are awesome if you play as another character with the same moveset. Being able to alternate between Mario and Doc was way more fun in Melee than being limited to one version of the moveset. I envy Fox/Falco/Wolf mains becuase they can rotate between three characters while retaining the same skillset. In fact, I wish Olimar had a clone so I could have this same freedom (alas, poor Louie).
Sure balancing and further advancing in a character's development takes time. But, for one of the largest teams in video game history, and development time which was far longer than what Melee received, it's a wonder how only 35 characters made it into the game, with 1-3 clones.
Correct. Still, a huge disappointment.
Replacing one suck-ish move with a completely worthless move (so I hear), is hardly a significant change. In that, a lot of veterans were changed to a point, but nothing significant. In the end, their moves are almost completely the same.
I think the characters in Brawl have been significantly remade. The movesets of Link and Toon Link are EXTREMELY different this time. The same with Falcon and Ganon, Luigi and Mario, as well as Fox and Falco.
Nooooooooo! I still care about you Louie!Maybe this comic can help you understand why we don't have one:
I prefer to see it as a sign that there was an unprecidented level of attanetion paid to balance and gameplay polish - which hindered the number of characters they could include. A fair trade off, I say.
That's a false choice. An original character takes much longer to program. I would guess that three clones take about the same ammount of time as a single original character. And judging by the character poll in General Brawl discussion, lots of people agree with the decision.
It's a matter of expectations, I suppose. I've felt that a 35 character roster was inevitable since the Goroh AT update (no Goroh = no second F-Zero rep, which only makes sense in a small roster).
I call it a significant change, just not a POSITIVE one. (I'm still hopeful that the FLUDD has some hidden potential that has yet to be discovered).
Toon Link (much like Young Link before him) might technically be a slightly altered clone, but his play style is as different from Link as two characters can be. And his attacks (bombs, boomerang, sword and sheild) are as well suited for him as they are for Normal Link.
Why it was best to keep Ganondorf a clone? ...What? People wouldn't main him if he was changed? ...What?! The majority of the Ganondorf mains in SSBM wanted Ganondorf to be different in Brawl. In Melee, seeing one of the most important Nintendo villains of all time being a copy of a random racer didn't excite too many people. If you look through the Ganondorf threads made, everyone wanted him with a sword, or at the least a different moveset. Think of it this way: if he was revamped, he would have attracted more mains. His final smash is different, I'll give him that. Though, it's likely that most tournaments will be turning smash balls off; final smashes hardly matter at that point.
I never suggested Falco as being a clone. I agree that he is luigified, and a good addition to the roster. So, don't bring up that argument.
All four of Wolf's specials are very similar to Fox. His side special is still a zip, swift attack, his up special is still a "firefox," his down special is still a reflector, and his neutral special is still a gun. Sure, there are differences, but he's just too **** similar. PLUS, he has the same final smash. With Falco that was O.K., but with Wolf? Now that's just pushing it.
Was there any other good choice? Oh dear god, I'm not even going to answer that one.
Already covered. You can not get around complaining.
Tru dat, homie.
Olimar is too awesome for words. That is understood in this thread.
)I think you and me are going to be good friends, same goes for Wiseguy
what about the bulborbs?*hug*
Pikmen, with the power of love, nothing can stand in our way!
The bulborb is truly a humble creature... that enjoys eating sentient vegetables...
OMG! Captain Falcon's nipples explode from Olimar's pure awesomeness!
