Olimar Matchup Thread

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

meta game has nothing to do with specific matchups, but we prefer to discuss matchups that give us the most trouble rather than following the tiers

from what i've seen, most chars we counter always chose a char that counters us anyways, like marth luigi, falco, mk and peach

imo, discuss these first, then move on to the wider played chars that are closer to even, like diddy falco lucas ness pika peach etc.

Metagame to me mean what's most played. Like my meta could consist of 100 MK and 100 snakes and no other characters why would I want to learn lets say the Gannondorf match up. If you are trying to learn the meta then you have to predict what characters are more played in a tourney environment. So that you're better prepared to handle that. Let's take you for instance you're from CT you probally travel to MA or NJ. So if we take a look at the result of those tournies. You will see placing of Snake and MK at the top for the most of it then maybe pit diddy marth falco and wario. What would be the purpose of you learning how to better handle the gannondorf match up for the snowballs chance in hell the you face a gannon in this region. The meta ( tourney enviroment) Doesn't consist of low tiers. But that's just my view on metagame. Now if you want to develop and take your character to new heights that will still involve learning the match ups against characters that are played. You can have all the AT's in the worlld doesn't make your character any good just look at sonic.

 

[Llumys]

Meta-game doesn't mean average.

Meta-game means best.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Meta-game doesn't mean average.

Meta-game means best.

I thought metagame meant what's in your area. It would be like me playing on a stage that's banned in my area. Ya know what I mean?

 

[Fino]

Who do you think you are? You don't own this forum.

Yeah, who do you think you are... me? >:|

As for what meta-game means, it's just the current strategies and tactics that a character uses to be played effective. For example, this is DDD's metagame

~Fino

 

[IcyLight]

nice put fino

 

[Sky Pirate]

That flowchart fails to include obnoxious Ftilt spam.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

I'd like to discuss Luigi, as he's the only char (well, him and MK) that I have a real problem with. I usually just counter DDD, but I'd like some Oli strategies against Luigi.

 

[Fino]

I'd like to discuss Luigi, as he's the only char (well, him and MK) that I have a real problem with. I usually just counter DDD, but I'd like some Oli strategies against Luigi.

the strategy for beating luigi is the same as for beating G&W... pivot grab >>>> everything.
The difference between luigi and G&W is nair and shoryuken
just keep pivot grabbing though


~Fino

 

[Llumys]

Does plucking reverse the effects of stale moves?

If so, it's a good idea to do empty edge cancel plucks when possible. For example, right before running off the edge and immediately tethering to hog.

 

[Fino]

Does plucking reverse the effects of stale moves?

If so, it's a good idea to do empty edge cancel plucks when possible. For example, right before running off the edge and immediately tethering to hog.

I highly highly highly doubt it... you know how stupid that would be? lol.


~Fino

 

[Llumys]

I doubt it as well, but it wouldn't hurt testing it.

 

[Tin Man]

What makes these match ups this way? I thought the whole Olimar gets gimped thing is over.

LOL it never ends

That flowchart fails to include obnoxious Ftilt spam.

yeah Ftilt spam with DDD is ********

I like character flow charts, who has the flow chart of Olimar?

 

[DanGR]

Does plucking reverse the effects of stale moves?

If so, it's a good idea to do empty edge cancel plucks when possible. For example, right before running off the edge and immediately tethering to hog.

No, it doesn't. An attack has to make some sort a interaction with an object for it to be registered to the game's decay memory.

 

[Llumys]

Thanks. :D

Edit: I'm bored.

http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=48637

Any major disagreements?

 

[Tin Man]

i dont think G&W is that much in our favor, I beleive its even at best

 

[BOB SAGET!]

Tin man has been playing too much wifi.

 

[Llumys]

LOL

I think it's easy on WiFi as well.

 

[Tin Man]

Tin man has been playing too much wifi.

u b trollin eh?

well if yall say so, then alrighty

 

[Llumys]

Bob's not trolling, lmao.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

****, that was a Llumys move. Sorry Tin Man.

 

[Llumys]

xD

In all honesty, though, Bob is right. Olimar definitely has the advantage offline.

 

[IcyLight]

60-40, 65-35 vs. samus. 50-50 sheik

 

[Llumys]

I can't see a 65:35 against Samus. :S

Is there any videos of a good Olimar against a good Samus, anyway?

 

[BOB SAGET!]

I dun think so. So llumys u think it's lower? Well same, I say 60-40 having fought a samus all the time.

Though we outcamp samus her zair is a great tool against us to keep us in the range she wants.

 

[Llumys]

That's what I was thinking. I can't see it as 65:35 with her z-air as a tool.

 

[Afrayail]

So I'm looking into working more on Lucario as a secondary in addition to ROB; for the most part, do you think these two cover Oli's bad match ups? Looking at all the charts, it looks like I have my bases covered for the most part, except for our dear friend Metaknight.

Which brings up another question, and sorry if I missed this discussion, but are we really at such a disadvantage against MK? Their boards say Oli, as well as Luca and ROB, are 60:40... but that's them XP I think my own opinion differs a bit, but what do you guys say?

Thanks!

 

[Tin Man]

rob is a good 2ndary to Olimar, not the best, but a good one, it covers every match up (except MK) therefore with Olimar & ROB, u wont have a match up worse then 50-50

Rob vs Mk is 70-30 MK favor lolololololol, Oli vs MK is 60-40 MK favor (atleast imo, and according to the Mk boards)

 

[Llumys]

How's R.O.B. against Marth, Luigi, and Peach?

 

[Afrayail]

Was it my imagination, or didn't I read a post by Overswarm saying the match was impossible? (ROB vs MK)

Aaanyway, their charts seem to say that those three are all either about even, or slightly in his favor. http://www.freewebs.com/essyc/Smash/ROBmatchup2afterSnake.jpg

Despite what they say, I hate fighting Peach with ROB, though, and obviously even more so with Olimar. It looks like Lucario has a 60:40 advantage over her, though.

What are your guys' secondaries?

 

[DanGR]

I heard Meta Knight was a pretty good secondary, so I began using him. Who would have guessed he'd cover everyone. ^__^b

 

[Fino]

I heard Meta Knight was a pretty good secondary, so I began using him. Who would have guessed he'd cover everyone. ^__^b

don't listen to this kid... otherwise you'll start liking men...
wait, ****... that's not really incentive for you >:|
...otherwise you'll start.. not... liking men...?
**** it, I give up
Don't play mk ;D


~Fino

 

[Llumys]

I secondary Meta Knight. xD

 

[Fino]

I hate all of you ._.


~Fino

 

[Afrayail]

Hah, I messed around with MK for awhile, but don't really want to use him. Maybe I'll save him for my friend that mains MK, though.. But other than that, I think I'll work on Luca/ROB.

Do you guys use the characters you do because you really like the characters themselves? Or do you like their play styles? Or is it their tier? (I'm going to guess that the third option applies to the MK users ;P)

 

[Fino]

I play for fun. If I took this game incredibly serious, I probably would've quit a long time ago.
No one can deny that luigi is hella fun


~Fino

 

[Llumys]

Lol, people don't understand that using a character because of their "tier" and because of how good they are is different.

I use Meta Knight because he's amazing, but not because the tier list says so.

 

[Fino]

You're an idiot -_-''


~Fino

 

[Fino]

-Llamacario- 0-100

Discussion: 519 - 542

What to Watch out For:
-Godly mating call
-Gets stronger as his percentage increases
-Can carry more luggage on his back as his percentage decreases
-King of the desert ninja skills
-his recovery is flying through the night

Matchup Mentality:
-Give up, he is the god of pokemon and llamas
-You must accumulate 999% damage to KO him with your stitchface or bomb (Beamsword might kill at 800%)
-Back air, fail against him
-Edgeguarding is hopeless
-Llamas have an unusual reproductive cycle for a large animal. Female llamas are induced ovulators. Through the act of mating, the female releases an egg and is often fertilized on the first attempt. Female llamas do not go into "heat" or have an estrus cycle. You're goal is to prevent this cycle in hopes that no more llamacarios are born, it is the only way to defeat them

Did you know?
-The height of a full-grown, full-size llama is between 5.5 feet (1.6 meters) to 6 feet (1.8 m) tall at the top of the head. They can weigh between approximately 280 pounds (127 kilograms) and 450 pounds (204 kilograms). At birth, a baby llama (called a cria) can weigh between 20 pounds (9 kilograms) to 30 pounds (14 kilograms). Llamas are very social animals and like to live with other llamas as a herd. Overall, the fiber produced by a llama is very soft and is naturally lanolin free. Llamas are intelligent and can learn simple tasks after a few repetitions. When using a pack, llamas can carry about 25%–30% of their body weight for several miles.

-The gestation period of a llama is 11 1/2 months (350 days). Dams (female llamas) do not lick off their babies, as they have an attached tongue which does not reach outside of the mouth more than half an inch. Rather, they will nuzzle and hum to their newborns.

Quotes:


Videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbPDKHXWlLQ

Good choice Afrayail, you at least have peach covered


~Fino

 

[Llumys]

no u

+1 asdasd

 

[Afrayail]

Lol, people don't understand that using a character because of their "tier" and because of how good they are is different.

I use Meta Knight because he's amazing, but not because the tier list says so.

Oh my, I apologize. I do believe I understand the difference just fine; however, saying "tier" was the fastest way to generalize what I was trying to get across, and was mainly referencing MK.

Spoiler

In his case you'd figure he's top tier for a reason, right?

Aanyway.. gee thanks Fino And when are you going to get those pictures to me, son? (dragonzplx)