Oklahoma Thread: Weekly events for all games in OKC and Tulsa

[Hazygoose]

i'm not on the CT PR

 

[the_irish_dude]

what about irish...? i would put rasta higher up (if he still wants to be involved) maybe 5 and have alex 4 the rest sound good

 

[Hazygoose]

i lose to pablo and bryan?
well...pablo's ganon did **** my falcon o.0

 

[Omega_Star]

Heh, I feel rather flattered to be third. I haven't played Smash in a week or so, but I'll take the spot nonetheless

 

[Vegafuse]

People that can't make it on Saturday: 'Tis fine, as long as there is Smash, there will be Smashfests!

Interesting list, Sars, I really appreciate 2nd (w00t!). Though, I feel like I lose to most of those players over %50 of the time, and I seem to run even with the rest Can't wait for a Tourney/RR to set things straight!!!

 

[Sars_Pirate]

In all honesty, I don't think a tourney will settle the placements of:

Bryan
Brett
Andy
Kuni
Me

Reason being is because we can all basically counterpick each other with such ******** efficiency and with every win we can pick up, we lose the the next guy.

The only people that can 100% stand out in OK would be Alex, Chris, and Pablo then. But only Pablo when he tries. Or maybe I'm missing something and need a better way to face Pablo <.<

Anyways, Kuni as being efficient as he is really isn't super aggressive enough to actually close things out as easily. That's why he drops a lot of matches he should win plus he kind of psychologically holds back against certain people. Like I said with Brett, it's too easy to gimp him even though he will go half and half with the rest of us. And Andy, it's just cause he's Samus. Bryan is efficient, like I said before, but I think if I go Sheik or Kuni goes Sheik or Andy goes . . . Samus we can probably steal the set from him. But I'd still rank him as being number three (sans Alex) just purely based on his efficiency.

The most difficult part of OK to rank is that middle chunk of players. And I really think it's more a matter of who gets this many votes to be at this rank than anything else. I mean, I might be too generous to Bryan and Kuni since they haven't played in forever. In which case I'd put Brett at 3, Andy at 4, and then Bryan then Kuni then Po again.

But anyways, that's more or less how my tierlist is set and if Alex comes back, I'd probably stick him in front of Bryan but behind Pablo for now :/ Not cause he's significantly worse than Pablo cause I don't think Alex really used Sheik against any of us yet. It's just cause I don't know . . . lol

Oh, and another honorable mention has to go to Craig. Bowser = too good ftw. And he needs to play with us soon.

PS:
PRs are a way to invite flames and discussions as well as for you to post your respective objective lists.

Why aren't you doing so?!?

 

[Sars_Pirate]

Oh, and try to exclude yourself when ranking . . . just to make things clear. When we settle for numbers 1/2/3 then we'll have those people decide emphatically who goes next down the food chain.

So like Chris of course has the highest authority and then we'll see if Alex and Pablo are agreed upon to take the next two gaps. Then afterwards, those guys see what we think and decide for themselves who 4 should be, then 1-4 decide on five and so forth.

 

[Hazygoose]

i'd put myself as #1 since i beat chris with mario

but seriously, i don't care about rank, i just want to be on it to rep OK
i'll ask drew to unlock the old thread soon...after that, i'll set up a panel, but it won't be voted on until after the apparent recent tournaments happen, so people can get a better feel for both brawl and melee skills of everyone. also when i was there, i'd rank brett's metaknight as top tier. and sars' up+b olimar kills as broken.

 

[King_Gt]

1) Kos-Mos
2) Vegafuse
3) Zinth
4) Shade underscore
5) Scud
6) Gravity
7) Po Pimpus
8) HeathQ
9) Outlaw
10) Marc
11) Paemon
12) Babac

Come on, I'm an Oklahoma smasher too,
And babac is apparently retired!

i lol'd @ underscore

 

[plasman]

People that can't make it on Saturday: 'Tis fine, as long as there is Smash, there will be Smashfests!

I really would like to go but so late on a day when I have to get up early the next won't do me well. I do want to play though. Been practicing 3S and AH a lot. And I don't know what it is about GG and Smash (specifically Melee) that has lost my interest lately. Actually GG I know what it is, I want to play I-No, I have in my mind the concept of how to use her tools properly and whatnot but my hands can't take it. TK HCL 6FRC6's execution alone, without its application in strings is killing me. Dunno maybe I should tough it out on a pad, get a stick, or try someone else instead.

 

[Vegafuse]

I really would like to go but so late on a day when I have to get up early the next won't do me well. I do want to play though. Been practicing 3S and AH a lot. And I don't know what it is about GG and Smash (specifically Melee) that has lost my interest lately. Actually GG I know what it is, I want to play I-No, I have in my mind the concept of how to use her tools properly and whatnot but my hands can't take it. TK HCL 6FRC6's execution alone, without its application in strings is killing me. Dunno maybe I should tough it out on a pad, get a stick, or try someone else instead.

From what I remembered, it was common for past SRK events to start at evening and end around 3am.

But it may not be the case this time. Sephiroth (on SRK) informed me that he is available any hour of that day, so we can probably start a lot earlier than that, maybe as early as Noon. We'll work out the details asap.

Personally, I would invest on a custom stick. I'm guessing the input you mentioned is a little too technical to do comfortably on a PS2pad, which was pretty common for me in GG... Though, I gotta hand it to the crazy-good pad players like Ultimate Faust, Foxstep, etc.

 

[po pimpus]

Aww, you guys...

PRs are a good idea. I may have to actually start practicing Melee again so I can stand half a chance...

Anyway, I pretty much agree with Yawara's list, except I would exclude myself, put Sars Pirate at 5, move Brett and Andy down a spot to make room, and switch Heath and Marc because we never see Heath
I also agree with his observations; they're pretty much spot on...

I also want to say that I am incredibly impressed with how good everyone's gotten. San Antonio, despite our respective bad in-tourney performances, showed me just how good OK really is. We've got such talented players that it really makes me proud to see how far we've come.

Plasman, I HATE I-No, I just KNOW that's the character Chris would use if he were to play Guilty Gear seriously... She's sooo stupid.

DancingFighterG, I would be down for that tourney, but I just got promoted, and we have inventory next month, so that's a no-go...

The rest of you, I'm still the Pimpest, and I'll keep proving it, retired or not.

 

[Omega_Star]

Yeah, Yawara makes amazingly articulate and astute observations. I see why he wants to major in English now.

I haven't played anyone in awhile so I'm not going to put up a list right now.

 

[Sars_Pirate]

No offense GT, but I only really added 11, 12, and Craig cause I suspect to see someone post a tierlist with Paemon or Rasta. And I put Craig up cause I love Craig. So this PR isn't really posted to represent everyone. Just the top 10 only and then the disputable placements afterwards to judge who should belong in the bottom of the PR.

Seriously, Craig is one of the coolest dudes in the world.

But seriously, the way I see it, it's much better if people participate and post up what they feel the PRs to be, absent or not. Smash is a game about progression, but even if you haven't been around for a while, you can sort of predict where the trend should take you so I think you guys should definitely post up your own personal rankings (excluding themselves).

And I don't know, lately I've been trying to assess individual styles. I think I've gotten it pretty down pact and might post them later (just to point out strengths and weaknesses) but I think I have a fairly solid grasp on the tourney scene in Oklahoma now that I've been here so long.

I think the most heavily disputed position that we'll all have is the placement of Pablo and Kuni though. The two just don't try as hard as they should, and what I get from Pablo may be completely different from what others believe to be true. *shrugs*

It's up to you guys to voice opinions now.
-----
FOOL BRYAN!

I don't want to be an English major, that's my minor sucker!

 

[po pimpus]

Please, PLEASE post your assessment of our individual playstyles! I think I have a fairly good grasp on my greatest weakness(too lazy/tired to practice, and a philosophical aversion to 'cheap' or popular tactics), but I'm sure there are more things I need to work on than just those...

Also, I've been playing him for years, and I still don't have a grasp on Pablo's true potential... the guy is just too inconsistent/unmotivated to use his full ability. I've 4-stocked and been 4-stocked by him and I still don't get him...
Kuni, however, has dare I say, a near-limitless potential.

If he would just apply that incredible fluid technique of his with a little observation and set-up, I don't think anyone could beat him, including Chris. Although Chris has a way of pulling miracles off when he's losing...

But yeah, Kuni and Pablo... Lazy-*** Mexicans, man. Lazy-*** Mexicans...

 

[Hazygoose]

Lazy-*** Mexicans, man. Lazy-*** Mexicans...

not i
10char

 

[Vegafuse]

Heh, I'm more of a gimmicky player. My playstyles aren't immediately apparent, but they won't last me too long. Though, a bigger weakness I believe to have is that I cling to obsolete tactics from the olden days (which may apply to Brandon's game as well). But this is just what I think, maybe the input from others can open my mind a bit.

Here's my tier-list:

S
-KOS-MOS

A
-Hazy
-Southy
-Scud

B
-Zinth
-Marc
-Sars
-Shade

C
-Outlaw
-Craig
-Grav
-Po
-Heath
-Y.Link player (forgot the name)
-Paemon

D
-Irish Dude
-Chubbs
-King GT
-ChibiT89

I might breakdown the player specifics later.

 

[chibit89]

lol @ me being on PR. i made it and i cant even s.hop cancel into Genei jin or w/e u kids call it.

I come to OK, may 1st, for a week.

have a shot at a decent Yun in 3S, sign ups welcome.

- as long as someone provides a stick

 

[the_irish_dude]

my biggest flaw is falling back on the IG and not using raw skill.... sad story that it is

 

[Sars_Pirate]

The way I see it is really this. I'm not going to point out weaknesses for Chris and Alex cause I don't think that's necessary. I'm sure they do a better job assessing themselves, but if they're doing bad, it's only because we suck We don't supply enough competition for them to advance unfortunately, so I hope that we can all get better collectively so the state becomes stronger.

So I think I should begin with Pablo then.

Obviously, Pablo's greatest strength is his sort of patience and ability to predict. I don't think there's anyone else who can play so effectively with mindgames, the only thing that was missing before though was he didn't supplement that portion of his game with technical skill. Plus he's so good at games, not just smash but games, that he doesn't feel dedication to any particular character. I think pablo could easily be one of the best if he uses his unique playstyle, sticks to a character, and then just go for cheap kills from there. And I don't actually see a fault in clinging to old school tactics. If anything, the new school players are too enamored by tech skill that they forget to something as simple as walking away from an oncoming attack. The most effective strategy could be very well the simplest, and that's what Pablo exploits the best among us all . . .

Bryan's problem I think is that his Marth feels very robotic. It goes through general motions much easier than most people's but that doesn't stop him from winning because I think Bryan knows his character's potentiality better than most other people. Of course, his spacing isn't the best (l2tip lol) but that falls secondary IMO to his inability to be creative on the fly . . . It's like he truly understands what is the most effective parts of Marth game and only uses that while ignoring everything else. So a player who knows specifically what to look out for can get past that. Also, I think he's one of the better players when it comes to reacting to approaches. It's hard to start up combos for me at least because the initial hit takes more work to land. But then again, I don't play patiently and bull rush people so that assessment may only apply to me. But I think Bryan's biggest problem is just psychological discouragement . . . It's not that he loses confidence, it's that he gets frustrated, and I think part of that comes from his rehashing similar tactics over and over and when they don't work cause people learn to get around it, he gets frustrated more. But over all, I think he has a solid grasp on what he ought to do. He's technically sound with Marth and can play him effectively. Really it's just spacing, DI, and inventiveness that stops him from being Chris . . . but DI, Spacing, and originality are the 3 things that stop anyone from being super pro

As for Kuni, easily the biggest problem with him is his unwillingness to commit. Kuni has, by far, the most fluid game I have seen in Oklahoma. The kid will SHDL to reverse drillshine you in a heartbeat but that's it. I think part of that has to do with a lack of knowledge with the game. He's very old school in his choice for kill moves. As fox, he still chases for JC U-smashes constantly (though it is a part of the game that many Fox players forget since shine combos and bairs are so much fun), as Marth he still just f-smash edgeguards, it's things like that and his unwillingness to grow past his old form that stops him from being phenomenal. But like I said before, Kuni tends to adapt when he doesn't play for a long time and forgets the bad habits that he sort of picks up. It's at that point though that he has to try and learn some new strategies. If he would also stick to Fox, I'm certain he'll have the best Fox in Oklahoma. It's just perfect the way it is minus aggressiveness. Kuni may be the only Fox player (period) to successfully transition between spamming and attacking for every matchup. M2K is the only other that comes close, but he gets impatient. Kuni on the other hand thinks it's fun so he does that. Perfectly.

As for Brett, his greatest strength is his pressure game and his patience. He doesn't spam like Kuni does which is purely for percent but to keep you at bay. It's hard approach him too since he's gotten more reactive (which used to be his worst problem) and now moves with you and spam in your face and then rushes with hard hitting shine combos. His biggest problem though IMO is his reliance on shine combos. I think if he tries to combo differently, he'll be more successful cause it really seems like what he tries to do against non-fastfallers is he can't combo past like 50 and then just spams until he might get off a kill move or a grab so he can edgeguard. But Falco's combo game is versatile enough to really work against anyone so I think if he tries to deviate from just dair->shine into something else, he'll be much better as a player. Also, Brett doesn't respond well when he's getting pressured. It's like his aggressiveness is a switch and when he's being comboed, he doesn't really escape from it nearly as well as, say, Andy who's constant aggressiveness makes his counterattacks more dangerous.

Now we get to Andy. Andy's biggest strength is his unique playstyle, his willingness to be reckless especially. But his weakness is he drops a lot of matches cause he does dumb things and his lack of technicality and refusal to adopt things that other samus players do. I never see Andy MC into grabs for combos or d-throw into u-tilts/charged blasts or platform MC past pokestadium. His aggressive nature does really well against people, and his reaction time is one of the best in Oklahoma IMO. But he doesn't really think when playing and can't play defensively which is why I think he has trouble against Falcos. When he's forced to play defensively, he just can't. He also doesn't utilize Samus's moveset to the most of her abilities. He's so focused on specific good moves that he doesn't really experiment with anything else but all Samus players fall into that trap just cause she has the most strategies of any character and nobody can do all of them. :/ Really for Andy, the only thing is for him to play smarter and to edgeguard on the stage with u-tilts rather than off stage nairs ALL the time. And if he incorporates more missile tricks and maybe even become the second successful samus at bomb tricks, he'll be really good.

Po. I don't think Po Pimpus's issue is his unwillingness to practice because his competitiveness allows for that in friendlies. It's that he used to be very slow with his Luigi, way too methodical which is not allowed for lowtiers. But he really stepped up his comboing speed. It's no longer just a few hits and "oh look, he'll wavedash d-smash here so let's shield" now. He's quicker. But I think he still doesn't space with Luigi as well. Also, a lot of modern Luigis don't just wavedash but utilize his ground game with dashes. I don't think Po really does that as well, and he should look to downplaying certain aspects just to get a better feel for other things, he'll lose matchs, yeah, but he'll only get better. And there's some strategies by newer players like even nair to up-b that you don't see Po doing. He's too traditional, not radical enough, and I think if he, not spam moves, but reimagines the way he wants to combo mid game, he'll be tougher to beat. Also, Po you got to get an edgeguard game. Luigi has trouble once he gets opponents past 80% really, and you don't want to be gimped before you get a good kill. Use his high priority, floatiness, etc to create a wall near the edge. Once you've gotten the edge game with Luigi, I think you'll jump exponentially. Of course along with supplementing the ground game and weirder combos. But yeah, what's holding you back the most isn't the inability to play but the inability of the character you choose to play.

Heath. He's solid, just no experience so his idea about things like DI doesn't really work as well. Seriously, if the dude like plays smarter, he's basically Kuni. Technically proficient, plays well offensively and defensively, but he just lacks experience. He understands a lot more than I think he lets on, and if he gets with us more, he'll easily be in that weird "how do I rank Brett, Bryan, Andy, etc" category.

Outlaw, the dude's quick, super aggressive, but his combos let up too soon. He is very technical though, but I'd like to see him understand his character better. And use Doc's pills more to cage opponents along with using them to approach. Part of Doc's game is his projectiles are unpredictable, and if you're able to spam them in certain ways, you can trap people's movements (I suck at that though so don't ask me how . . .) If you get that down, your Doc will be really hard for a lot of people to handle since nobody here knows how to play a good Doc. Srsly.

And Marc, WTF WE NEVER PLAY! But when we did play, I always though you played just like I did. Like exactly the same, except you're even quicker, more reckless, and more sound technically. Really though I think it's just experience Mark lacks. :/ I've only played you once dude, and we've met 3 times?! The hell man! Oh, and Po, tell Marc that Phoenix is coming back.

 

[Hazygoose]

wow.
i completely agree 100% with pablo's assessment, except maybe for andy's placement.
but i disagree that your offensive tactics are useless, pablo. since no one else has even attempted to put their finger on it, i'll just go over a couple things i realized when your ganon ***** everything but my sheik :]. you still have a keen sense of spacing, and are good at counter-attacking, especially with ganondorf. if you look at joe bushman, he doesn't play anything like the newer ganons like linguini and mr. ganondorf, but still does ridiculously well. the only thing you could improve on is taking risks. you only took 1 risk at edgeguarding me when we were playing, and it was pretty much suiciding, lol. but you should practice taking risks, especially with a reverse uair, doublejump into another reverse uair if you miss, then up+b onto the stage. it works wonders.

defensively there were more problems, though. sometimes you just simply didn't DI, which even i am often guilty of in friendlies. it's just the "i'm being comboed...i'll wait" offensive patience that doesn't work, on defense, lol. especially when i remember you annihilating austinRC with the jab reset grab with sheik, or turn around downsmash if he DI'd behind you. i don't know if you know this, but i took that from you and used it on PC chris. to this day i have not been worse than 1-stocked by him. all due to pablo's NON OBSOLETE TACTICS! :]

that's about it, though. seriously, it's when patience works for offense...can sometimes make your defense suffer. i think scud can vouch that sometime either of us just stop DI'ing during combos, and we get frustrated because well...obviously not DI'ing is not going to help get you out of something. and the risk thing is another side effect of patience. just watch vidjo matches, man. then you'll be like "he's patient...but then when the opportunity comes he goes ape****." and i know that's wherein pablo's potential arrises. i would put pablo in group A, anywhere really, lol. since we don't know how good he is when he does everything right, he could be above me or below scud. i also haven't seen coty in like a year. wtf mate.

 

[the_irish_dude]

sars im guessing you play the climbers so im wondering wat is your flaws with them when you play? in brawl and melee

 

[tire_o_fire]

sup guys it's been a while so whats new?

 

[Vegafuse]

Simply amazing. I'm glad you guys took the time to assess our playstyles, I will put this knowledge to good use.

I'll try to get Melee/Third Strike vids online before I head to Felgar.

 

[King_Gt]

Wow, I'm liking this player analysis thing...
So, anyone else wanna play some melee?
I like brawl, but I like melee and my "crew" only likes playing brawl...

 

[South_Paw]

lol, pablo, why the f*ck am i on your PR? pablo is someone i wish i could emulate in play style, and im hurting in my (infrequent) playings in brawl because of it. tech skill was my crutch in melee, and now that i dont have that, there's nothing that seperates me. i barely have mindgames, and my spacing is bad.

yawara: f-smash edgeguarding with marth is pro, thats why. have chris tell you about AZ brandon ;-)... but i will not add to the kuni rant, because ive done it many times before.

brandons problem is my problem, implementing the use of stupid tactics, win or lose. im also just too lazy to use them.

wobbles is the best at brawl... believe it.

 

[po pimpus]

Wow. Pablo got Coty to post, truly he is a god among men...

Yeah, I wish I had Pablo's offensive mindset and Chris' DI... Then I would be the baddest man in OK...

I realize that Luigi's weaknesses are indeed my own, but if I picked any other character, then I just wouldn't be Po... and that would be a darn shame. I also thank Yawara for forcing me to realize the fact that I DO suck at edgeguarding.
I've just never had the mindset to go too far outside the box for combos... If I do something cool, I have the tendency to want to stick to that, even if it only works once or twice. Time to start switching it up and playing smarter, I guess.

wobbles is the best at brawl... believe it.

I'll believe it when he beats me in a cream soda match

Also: Power Rankning Tournament. Round-Robin. Now. Make it happen.

 

[Hazygoose]

not now, po! in 2 weeks
also brett, i won't see you the 12th, because i won't get to the airport until 11, and norman at midnight QQ and you'll probably be asleep for your ride to korea. no worries though, i shall see you when you get back! :]

 

[Gravity]

wow yawara, i appreciate the time you put into that.

but even the stuff you might have intended as criticism i am proud of. takes risks to the point of losing matches because of stupid ****? pride. unwillingness to adopt things other samus's do? pride. the only thing i want to do is utilize all her moves like i do the nair and dsmash and stuff, but its hard.

also, having best reaction time is cool.

 

[Omega_Star]

Yeah, really nice analysis Yawara, that was very helpful.

But what is your major?

 

[Sinz]

Hey you guys should try to make it to the NVGA supercon. IT will be fun. Cmon prove that Oklahoma is the best. Don't let CO or NM beat you out!

 

[Vegafuse]

Got done gettin' games in about 30 minutes ago, though only 3S, no smash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjBMNZd0Pjc

Edit: We're starting at 3pm! More time, more games, let's go! Anyone PM me if you want additional info.

 

[Sars_Pirate]

@ everyone: Yeah, so that's what I've gotten out of playing with you guys for a year. Guess that's a parting gift since I'll be leaving in 2 weeks? *love* I hope I get to play before then . . . I'd also like for everyone else to participate and post their own PRs soon >_>

@IG: It's grabbing. The ICs are the only character that are this grab dependent and knowing how to get them off is the key in every matchup, but the strategies change with every matchup. Anyone can CG, that's easy, but getting grabs off is the difficult part and making sure conditions are right are even harder. The key is you have to be a smart player to play the ICs. Be read to react to all conditions and counterattack with efficiency rather than just OMG WD LEFT AND RIGHT or in Brawl just spamming moves until you might get something off. Also, the other thing is you need to be relaxed. So many matches are thrown away cause people make technical slip ups even though CGs are really easy to perform. You don't want to do that.

@ Coty: Will I ever see you again? *insert dramatic music*

@ Bryan: Journalism dude. Helping America by spreading truth and knowledge among the masses.

@ everyone else (esp cool peeps).

Florida brawl/melee tournament. 4 days. Maybe 500 people attending. Let's make an effort to go guys. Screw CO and NM tourneys, that's small stuff. Save up so we can get over to Florida and take over that state the way OK smash knows how.

 

[the_irish_dude]

hey guys im online for about 2hrs with no interuptions....i wanna play someone cmon dudes

 

[Monshou_no_Nazo]

I'm sorry about the lag. Every time I Smash, my mom's computer is on the internet which has a ton of programs and malware on it, causing network clogging here.

 

[the_irish_dude]

its cool i had to get off. man i want to keep playing your marth though because (no johns btw just facts lol) i dont play well against swords...or tips for that matter. i want to get better but i have no one to play out here in the middle of nowhere . fun matches though. i almost had your pkmn trainer. owell ill try and be on later tonight.

 

[Monshou_no_Nazo]

Alright. I'll keep playing Marth so you can get better against him.

 

[the_irish_dude]

sweetness...lol sry if it gets boring owning me

 

[Vegafuse]

Crazy games last night, glad you guys showed up, haha.

Yawara: If possible, I'd like Hanson and Alex to take over Brawl singles and teams since it may run all day. That way, Thanh and I can run multiple side-tournaments at the same time on the other side of the room (similar to OSC '07). Does he have a smashboards account?

 

[Sars_Pirate]

I'm leaving in 2 saturdays guys. After that I'll be gone till August ish.

Early planning required so I can play smash with y'all.

And as a parting gift, I demand an Oklahoma tourney as well as Crew battles. ($1 entry, I'll run it).

Seriously peeps, figure out when you're working cause I want to play. Preferably tell me ASAP cause I might cancel plans to go and study for exams (which is dead important at this stage).