Q&A OK desu ka? - Lucas Q&A Thread

[Galaxian]

I always use this too. Super safe. I would say it works for average weighted characters up to 28% or so.

Yeah, on lighters it might not work but on fast fallers it'll work a little later.

It's safe, free damage. I can't complain.

 

[0mart]

I don´t know if this is new or just plain common knowledge. But I was messing with Lucas right now on 3DS against the CPU ( that´s like my lab) and thing is; you can Cancel the PSI Magnet absorb lag animation( When you are absorbing a proyectile, just press backwards and he rolls back) ... I don´t really know if Ness could do it before the patch, Its just that I haven´t seen someone pull that off before in a video.

 

[PKPenguin]

I don´t know if this is new or just plain common knowledge. But I was messing with Lucas right now on 3DS against the CPU ( that´s like my lab) and thing is; you can Cancel the PSI Magnet absorb lag animation( When you are absorbing a proyectile, just press backwards and he rolls back) ... I don´t really know if Ness could do it before the patch, Its just that I haven´t seen someone pull that off before in a video.

Nothing new, Ness has had this since I think game release. You can also jump cancel or press down to spot dodge cancel.

 

[Lochy]

Hey @ TewnLeenk do you think we can get that Lucas guide written by Ciex stickied plz?
It's just such a great guide and the lucas boards would be able to help with MU's which are later being added to the guide.

 

[Yoh1]

how are you supposed to approach with lucas? like everything just gets beaten by shields and the tether grab makes beating shields hard at times and if you whiff you get punished. pivot grabbing doesnt always work either since you either get hit trying to run past them or you barely miss sometimes cause of it's short range. nothing just seems to work for approaching and pk fire also just gets beat by shield and punished if they're too close. cant exactly approach, and cant exactly wall them out either. Maybe i'm doing something wrong?

 

[CrazyPerson]

Well... I figure that because he was my brawl main it would be a waste for me to not do at least a bit of training with Lucas.

Which:

A. Damage combos

B. Kill moves (beyond the easy smash attack)

do you think I should practice 1st?

 

[Cheetaboy]

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[PKPenguin]

I got a quick question. Why is it that when i try and Tether grab back onto the stage with Z i sometimes nair, ive died a lot from it, any possible fixes/solutions?

If you're in a tumble, you can't throw your tether and instead n-air. I think airdodging or throwing out a quick down-B to position yourself will get you out of a tumble, and I know your double jump will get you of it.

 

[Yoh1]

What use does pk thunder have? it doesn't seem that great for anything outside of recovering.

 

[CrazyPerson]

What use does pk thunder have? it doesn't seem that great for anything outside of recovering.

If my foe is off the edge it is a nice bit of extra damage if I know they are going to recover.

Outside of competitive play it's great for knocking foes away from, then grabbing smash balls, good to send into a chaotic mess of other players etc.

 

[Tito Maas]

What use does pk thunder have? it doesn't seem that great for anything outside of recovering.

It's not something I do very often but one use for the PK Thunder, if the stage has a lip and you can manage to catch your opponent in it, you can drag him under and against the ledge for a stage spike (or really, a stage gimp). Discovered that it had pretty reliable use in that regard. Kind of a niche but I would never use PKT on the stage due to it's slowness and endlag, especially since it'll kill you off sheer launch distance if you're not very precise with where you hit Lucas with the head of the PKT.

I mostly use it for free damage when an opponent is coming back to the ledge. It's actually a lot safer to use once you hit with it than it seems because you can drag your opponent any which way. I prefer to use it from very long distances in that case but honestly I'd rather just force an approach with PK Freeze.

 

[Yoh1]

If the opponent runs up and shields, what are lucas' options? grab wont work if they react fast enough and it's not that fast, and everything else will just get Oos punished. Do you have to just back off? cause that kinda sucks ;/

 

[MrWhYYZ]

If the opponent runs up and shields, what are lucas' options? grab wont work if they react fast enough and it's not that fast, and everything else will just get Oos punished. Do you have to just back off? cause that kinda sucks ;/

Lucas his grab from upclose is 12 frames while the average persons reaction time is around 15 frames. So they can't react to it unless their reaction speed is superhuman. Meanwhile iirc Link's grab is 16 frames.

Try it here. If you consistantly can get under 200ms than you should be able to react to the grab from upclose. http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime
Calculation is this: x(Your reaction time )*(60/1000)-display lag from your PC screen if any.
So for me it's 280*(60/1000)-2=14,8ms. Which is around average.

TL;dr, They aren't reacting when you're up close, they are predicting.

 

[Yoh1]

Oh I see. I must have been playing too many roll heavy players and mistook reacting for them just constantly rolling behind me making me miss my grab when they're sitting in shield, but what do you do against shields as lucas in general? Everything that I do seems like it would just get punished by a more experienced player and i've tried a lot :/

 

[JesterJaded]

Oh I see. I must have been playing too many roll heavy players and mistook reacting for them just constantly rolling behind me making me miss my grab when they're sitting in shield, but what do you do against shields as lucas in general? Everything that I do seems like it would just get punished by a more experienced player and i've tried a lot :/

If you're getting punished because of your opponent's OoS options, predict their OoS option. Usually when someone runs up to a shielding opponent, they're going for a grab, in which case the shielding player will spot dodge, Up B, go for an aerial, etc. If your opponent's habit is to shield bait your approach, run up and shield yourself, then punish their prediction accordingly.

 

[Kaladin]

Soooo, I'm thinking of picking up Lucas. I don't see any concise guide/basics thread (which is understandable), so could someone please give me a quick rundown of Lucas' neutral and various dthrow followups? Thanks!

 

[Yoh1]

Do you guys think Lucas should be buffed? If so what do you think should be buffed? I think the end lag of PKT1 should be lowered at the very least.

 

[KaptenFullkorn]

Do anyone know if villagers dashattack is reflectable by Fsmash? timed an fsmash on a villager today when he used dash attack while approaching next to a Lloyd rocket, it did 35 % of damage. Managed to follow it up with reflecting the villagers fair, and it killed him at 74 %!

 

[meleebrawler]

Do anyone know if villagers dashattack is reflectable by Fsmash? timed an fsmash on a villager today when he used dash attack while approaching next to a Lloyd rocket, it did 35 % of damage. Managed to follow it up with reflecting the villagers fair, and it killed him at 74 %!

Yeah they're both projectiles and thus reflectable. It's kind of funny how soon Villager can get KOed by a reflected sweetspotted
fair/bair.

 

[KaptenFullkorn]

Yeah they're both projectiles and thus reflectable. It's kind of funny how soon Villager can get KOed by a reflected sweetspotted
fair/bair.

Thanks for the clarification, at first it totally caught me of surprise, didnt really expect to kill a villager at 39 % from 2 fsmashes, in witch one doesnt even hit him haha.

 

[PK Drako]

Hi.
Maybe this question has appeared a lot of times but i dont find them...

So the question is what is better c-stick or b-stick. I mean i play a lot with both and i really like how b-sticking feels but i just want to know the pros and cons for each one.

I don't know if i should post this here, I'm sorry beacuse i'm new to this forums but i appreciate the help and opinions from people with more knowledge with the character.

Thanks to everybody

 

[KaptenFullkorn]

Hi.
Maybe this question has appeared a lot of times but i dont find them...

So the question is what is better c-stick or b-stick. I mean i play a lot with both and i really like how b-sticking feels but i just want to know the pros and cons for each one.

I don't know if i should post this here, I'm sorry beacuse i'm new to this forums but i appreciate the help and opinions from people with more knowledge with the character.

Thanks to everybody

Hey man, there is a thread at http://smashboards.com/threads/can-we-talk-about-wave-bouncing-b-sticking-with-lucas.408868/ which allready brings up this matter. Be sure to read through it to see if it answers your questions, otherwhise feel free to ask again. Welcome to the boards mang, feel the PK Love!

 

[PK Drako]

Hey man, there is a thread at http://smashboards.com/threads/can-we-talk-about-wave-bouncing-b-sticking-with-lucas.408868/ which allready brings up this matter. Be sure to read through it to see if it answers your questions, otherwhise feel free to ask again. Welcome to the boards mang, feel the PK Love!

Ok thanks man.

 

[Ventus55]

Hey I am having trouble on Lucas's bair can anyone give me any tips??

 

[The_Devious]

where is the sweetspot on lucas's fair? if this has already been answered in this thread, just quote the post.

 

[meleebrawler]

where is the sweetspot on lucas's fair? if this has already been answered in this thread, just quote the post.

The tip, which is mainly used for edgeguard kills, the sourspot can keep them closer for followups though.

 

[Rango the Mercenary]

I'm just here to ask what Lucas' basic combos are. I'm still having trouble hitting DThrow into Nair. > <

 

[Smashifer]

I'm just here to ask what Lucas' basic combos are. I'm still having trouble hitting DThrow into Nair. > <

Well, depending on your opponent's DI, you can follow up with an up-air or f-air. At lower percentages, d-throw > up-tilt works 9/10 times. You could also go for d-air after down throw, but that's not reliable at all. I hope this helps!

 

[ilysm]

Has anyone reliably gotten extended dash-dancing down with Lucas? I can't seem to get the right timing, I'm used to Peach's (which I think is a bit more lenient). This might be an odd request, but if anyone has, is there any chance they can record audio of their controller so the click-click of the control stick is audible? I'm thinking that may help.

 

[BoxedOccaBerrys]

I know Lucas has a few locking moves, I know his side tilt does, but what else locks opponents?

 

[KaptenFullkorn]

I know Lucas has a few locking moves, I know his side tilt does, but what else locks opponents?

Sourspot Fair
Sourspot Bair
Sourspot Ftilt
Last hit of Dair

 

[MrWhYYZ]

Sourspot Fair
Sourspot Bair
Sourspot Ftilt
Last hit of Dair

Also Sweetspot Dtilt and the 2nd 3rd and 4th hit of n-air.

 

[KaptenFullkorn]

Also Sweetspot Dtilt and the 2nd 3rd and 4th hit of n-air.

Oh read dtilt and not side tilt on OP! By the way wouldnt the sweetspot being the close hit that actually links to grab / jab, the foothit just feels similair to falcons knee sourspot to me.

 

[JosePollo]

I'm just here to ask what Lucas' basic combos are. I'm still having trouble hitting DThrow into Nair. > <

If I get a grab at 0% against a fast-faller I'll usually follow up with up air first, then back off. Up air doesn't send them anywhere at that low percentage and people usually air dodge into the ground or throw out an aerial expecting some kind of follow-up, so it's basically another free grab (shout-out to PSG Z for showing me that one). Against most characters, though, you can just go straight into double nair to up air. Down throw to nair to down air is good for racking up damage and keeping the opponent close to continue a combo. If all you want is stage control, down throw nair to sweet spot fair is good, and you can even follow it up with a PK Fire to pressure the opponent further. At around 60%-80% (weight dependent), down throw to weak back air to meteor back air is almost guaranteed (the opponent has literally frames to react from the first back air to the second) and can get you a very early kill if you land it at the ledge. At around 110%-130% down throw to double jump up air becomes a kill set-up on most characters.

Those are probably the very basic of combos. After that you get into your footstool to jablock set ups and hard read combos (like double nair to rising PKT2), but that requires more experience and technicality.

 

[DanGR]

Anyone know what the hitlag modifiers are on all of Lucas' attacks? Is there a database somewhere that lists these values?

 

[PKBeam]

It's so refreshing when someone uses the QnA sticky instead of just making a new thread.

 

[ILOVESMASH]

On the smash wiki, it says lucas no longer turns around when absorbing projectiles with his down b. Is this an error? In training mode, i put several bomb ombs behind lucas and he turned around to absorb them.

Will some one also link me to lucas's new sheild safety values?

 

[PKBeam]

I doubt he turns around to absorb them, since PSIM actually has a blind spot now.

 

[JosePollo]

Anyone know what the hitlag modifiers are on all of Lucas' attacks? Is there a database somewhere that lists these values?

http://smashboards.com/threads/mystery-of-the-7-needles-extensive-lucas-research-thread.416216/

Go to the "Basic Information and Frame Data" section. I believe attacks with electric properties have additional hitlag to them, but I don't know how much exactly.

 

[JosePollo]

What use does pk thunder have? it doesn't seem that great for anything outside of recovering.

Here's something I like to do every now and then.

Go to the 2:23 mark. My grab game is bad, I know.