Darklink401
Smash Master
Has Balloon jump been considered at all?So, this gets a little more complicated now, but this has been a really good discussion so far.
It seems obvious to me that we want the following sets as summarized nicely by Hilt:
1122
1322
1121
1321
This covers that in most match-ups Exploding Balloon Trip and default Pocket are best while covering the preference points between Pushy Lloid and Timber Counter, major preference points at that. Does any Villager player feel that these four sets do not warrant inclusion? If it's universally agreed that these four are good enough to use, that lets us frame it as a debate for the bottom 6.
As far as I can tell, support for side-2 and up-3 is incredibly niche; these moves don't seem independently bad to me, but I at least really struggle to imagine a good justification for taking them over Villager's other excellent options in those slots. Super Timber is a really fun move, but I haven't heard any support for it as a move with serious competitive merit so much as just being a whole lot of fun. That leaves us with Garden, Pocket Plus, and Balloon Trip to populate the bottom six slots, noting that 1111 is of course always available without consuming a slot. Garden is a distinctly marginal move, but it is strictly superior to the other two options in a lot of match-ups. Pocket Plus is optimal for only a few match-ups but is really nice in those few. Balloon Trip is arguably not worth including at all, but there are enough people who have a preference for it (rational or not) that it seems likely to cause upset feelings if it doesn't get some sets, and I can easily imagine a lot of people who aren't speaking up about it feeling the same way. How would this go for making everyone happy?
3122
3121
2121
2122
1112
1312
The downside here is that you aren't allowed to use Pushy Lloid with Pocket variants (or with default Ballon Trip if you also want default Timber), but would that be a problem in practice? It seems like for the most part this apporach would do a pretty good job of leaving no one out in the cold. Of course the decision rests with you guys, but I just thought I'd post what I'm seeing based on your arguments so far.
I feel it should be included in at least one set, as its Villager's fastest recovery, and can snap to ledge if used a few feet below it.
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