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nitro-blazer

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All I really have to say is I want the Diddy information.

-What makes the peanut shells break?
-How much damage does the gun explosion give you?
-Does charging it do more damage? Or only speed?
-When hit out of his up B, can he up B again right after? Or only until the First jet disappears?
 

Zauron

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Is the original poster going to post the answers to such questions under each stated? I hope so to better organize it.
If I have the time, sure. Once someone actually gets back from E for All with answers to the questions I can start putting the answers into the original post.
 

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wow, getting close to a hell of a lot of answers (hopefully)

just commenting that there is an invincibility frame in the yoshi thing, but only 1 frame. (nice having a laggy computer, get to watch stuff in extremely slow motion)
 

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Could you add to the list, under Donkey Kong's character specific, to see if when he uses his Up + B, if it still knocks people back with the first hit of the special move? I'm forgetting what this is called, but it's the first frame of the hit that knocks people back. It's when he "winds up," that at the back, upper part of his body (where his clinched hand sticks out) hits the opponent. The other hits of the special move just damage people, but do not knock them off their feet. If you know what I'm talking about, could you please add it to your list?
 

Japanese Monk

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The big thing for me is colors. I dont know why. I main Samus and I hated her palette. Brown, Pink, Green, and gravity? Booo...

Im hoping for a Dark Samus color like Dark link, Black, White (light suit), ect.

Some cool colors like that.
 

Kubuu

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Hello All. If anyone is able to provide housing for Deadly Alliance members coming in from NYC, please let me know. Message me on AIM at Kubuu and let me know when and where to find you. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could help us out. Thank you.
 

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I'll be handing a printout of the list to my friend, who's gonna spend all day playing the demo, and when I get home tonight I'll post what I (and he) have learned.
 

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Zauron, add to MetaKnight:
Does gliding with MetaKnight allow you "WaveLand" when well angled against a surface.
If so, can you glide out of his second jump?
And if so, can you DJC into glide?
And if so, again, can you WaveDash via DJC into Glide WaveLand?
 

Zauron

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I added some answers we got to the first post, however, I don't think I can keep this up. Work got busy suddenly. Maybe someone should copy the first topic (use the "Quote" button to get all the tags and stuff) and make a new thread called "Answers from E for All" and add in new answers as they come. Or just start posting the answers in the stickied topic for E for All impressions and have everyone read through it all themselves without a nice one-stop-shop for answers.

Sorry.

Maybe ShortFuse could do it? He did a great job on organizing the confirmed/disconfirmed thread.
 

Brentos4o8

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Wow from a boardie's perspective the game seems to have changed a lot in terms of physics.
Wavedashing and L-Canceling seem out now. But I guess we'll get used to it or it'll be changed.
 

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I tried L-Cancelling with Link's dair repeatedly this morning. All seemed to recover at the same speed as doing a dair without trying to L-cancel. And if a long recovery time like that isn't l-cancelable... doubt anything else would be. So that appears out.

I reconfirmed momentum dodging. You either can't control the direction at all (aside from being going in the direction you want before you air dodge, lol), or it's very very minor. It doesn't give any type of push, so it'll go to your normal trajectory and then start going downwards. So wavedashing as we knew it is indeed gone.

After you air dodge, there's about a 1 second delay (of falling helplessly) before you can do anything. You can jump and even Up B after that, though. I don't recall 100%, but I'm pretty sure that you don't get your jump back if you already used it. I also don't recall testing specifically if you can double air dodge, but it seems likely as long as it doens't give you your jump back and it would also explain the delay after an Air dodge (that way if you're falling to the stage, you can't spam air dodge and be safe all the way down). - So those of you thinking you'll Air Dodge and then do an aerial combo right after as a counterattack (thinking that's how aerial combat would be improved - which I think would've been sweet)... sorry, but not gonna happen..

Crawling seems to be like walljumping was, in that not everyone has it. I did it with Pikachu but couldn't do it with Mario (bah, he could crawl some of his games) or Sonic (so my friend was wrong, I guess). I almost thought that was Pika's walk after I thought about it, but the Nintendo World Video on the Dojo shows Pika using his old walk (along with Mario, right before Wario shows up). So crawling = character specific. --- The input for Pika was just diagonal down.

Dashing dancing appears to be possible, but different. It took me a bit, but I kinda did it with Peach, Ike, and Fox. Fox looked the most like oldschool dash dancing, whereas when I did it with the other two it was taking me longer to turn around (think Zelda's dance dash...). I kept jumping out of Fox's... but it's not like I'm used to using the Classic Controller.

I didn't see an opening dash move for Fox (where it'd be most noticeable to me) when I tested, so foxtrotting looks to be gone.

We already knew this, but shorthop and fastfall are still there. Also, you can jump directly out of your shield (was shielding with Fox, and hit a jump button on Classic Controller and he jumped out of it).


As Zauron isn't going to have the time to keep this thread updated, I'll post a full report of what I've learned in the Impressions thread. Prolly 5 hours from now or so, as I don't want to start on it at work, but not be able to finish it. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=121130



Lastly, Dark Link looks friggin' awesome. If you think otherwise after seeing him, you need to have your eyes checked and/or may not have the ability to recognize sheer awesomeness (in which case the rest of us both pity and laugh at you). - Think Black Link from Melee. Now makes his skin dark brown (think... really severe tan). Now make his eyes glow red. And that's Dark Link in a nutshell.
 

Japanese Monk

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Thanks for the info. much appreciated.


What other interesting colors did you see.....in particular samus. I know she has a dark suit and a fusion suit...what about the light suit?
 

Raptorbite

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4 girls playing brawl. nice
And they're hot to boot... at least from this side.

I'm excited about Wolf costume for Fox, and Dark Samus suit.
I do wanna know why Sonic doesn't have a Shadow appearance change though. And I hope Falco is an alter-ego of Fox at the very least if he doesn't get his own character with a new move-set and what not.

I wonder if their names change with the costumes?.. It's be weird to hear "THE WINNER IS... FOX!" and see Wolf staring back at you.

Logical alternate costumes in my eyes:

Pikachu: Sandshrew please?! (just kidding)
Snake: Different Camo options
Sonic: Shadow
Lucas: Ness
Pokemon Trainer: Female and Male versions of Red/Blue trainer

I am taking into consideration that all alternate costumes are likely just Re-Skins of the original character models.
 

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Aw Dixie deconfirmed...well, I saw that coming, actually. And most ATs gone=retarted. I'm very displeased. hopefully Sakurai has half a brain, and changes that...but I'm not betting on it.
 

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d****, no wavedashing or l-canceling. is there even gonna be a competitive community anymore? well i guess so. halo 3 had all its good stuff taken out like bxr and quadshotting and its still mlg.

still, melee was barely considered a true fighting game in the eyes of the fighting game community, the lack of advanced techs such as burst teching, parrying, and others will really leave people questioning and criticizing smash as a whole.
 

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And they're hot to boot... at least from this side.

I'm excited about Wolf costume for Fox, and Dark Samus suit.
I do wanna know why Sonic doesn't have a Shadow appearance change though. And I hope Falco is an alter-ego of Fox at the very least if he doesn't get his own character with a new move-set and what not.

I wonder if their names change with the costumes?.. It's be weird to hear "THE WINNER IS... FOX!" and see Wolf staring back at you.
Only it will not be Wolf, but Fox with gray fur and Wolf style clothes... Alternate costumes are just color swaps that mimic another character from the series. No changing of body or face shape, voice, moves, and all that other stuff...

Im wondering when someone will try to shield jump with Yoshi. Im still mad about them taking it away from only him in Melee...
 

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d****, no wavedashing or l-canceling. is there even gonna be a competitive community anymore? well i guess so. halo 3 had all its good stuff taken out like bxr and quadshotting and its still mlg.

still, melee was barely considered a true fighting game in the eyes of the fighting game community, the lack of advanced techs such as burst teching, parrying, and others will really leave people questioning and criticizing smash as a whole.
Seriously, scrubs are happy, us competitve smashers are not. F** this, as this is sheer utter bull s***. Sakurai f***ing hates us, just like the Dojo translater, calling people who don't like items people "tournamen purists".

coming from a person who uses advanced techniques, all the news so far doesn't bother me. so what if wavedashing is gone? i'm still excited for this game.

and BOWSER FOR TOP TIER!! YESSSS!!!
cuz some of them were not intended to be there first and because its a different game?
It seems more like Super Smash Bros. N00b then Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Only like 3 ATs in the game=retarted. Retarted like scrub retarted=no exucses for dumping SOOOO MANY TECHS! :mad:
 

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We won't know for sure until the game comes out. There will probably be a handful of new advanced techs.
 

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Seriously, scrubs are happy, us competitve smashers are not. F** this, as this is sheer utter bull s***. Sakurai f***ing hates us, just like the Dojo translater, calling people who don't like items people "tournamen purists".
Lemme ask you something. If Wavedashing and L-Cancelling were taken out of Melee, would that put me on a level playing field with Ken?

Hell no. You guys are acting like Wavedashing, L-Cancelling, Wavelanding, etc. are what defines us as advanced players. New game, we'll find new techniques. It's NOT A BIG DEAL. And wtf is wrong with being called a "Tournament Purist?" It was a joke.


It seems more like Super Smash Bros. N00b then Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Only like 3 ATs in the game=retarted. Retarted like scrub retarted=no exucses for dumping SOOOO MANY TECHS! :mad:
Get over yourself.
 

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Seriously, scrubs are happy, us competitve smashers are not. F** this, as this is sheer utter bull s***. Sakurai f***ing hates us, just like the Dojo translater, calling people who don't like items people "tournamen purists".





It seems more like Super Smash Bros. N00b then Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Only like 3 ATs in the game=retarted. Retarted like scrub retarted=no exucses for dumping SOOOO MANY TECHS! :mad:
No one said you have to buy the game. If it's so ********, that is. And no one said you had to ditch your Melee tactics. Just stick to Melee. I'm sure if people wanted it enough, the Melee tournaments will still be going for those who are, ahem, "tournament purists."
 

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It seems more like Super Smash Bros. N00b then Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Only like 3 ATs in the game=retarted. Retarted like scrub retarted=no exucses for dumping SOOOO MANY TECHS! :mad:
Wow john didnt expect this from you...

NEWFLASH PEOPLE skaurai said the game would be diferent back in 06, so WHAT?! JUST because were use to melee u guys just want melee 2.0? WTF IS THAT?! This was BOUND to happen, WD was the likeliest to go and it HAPPEND, L cancel is now automatic, since the reduced lag after aerials proves this, links takes out his sword after the dair way faster, almost as fast as an average L cancel...

Seriously WHY complain? UR GETTING THE GAME ANYWAY, I for one use WD A LOT, u see me complaining? NO, why? because I will ADAPT, the game is more balanced, and it will be better at tourney, than seeing the average fox, falco, shiek, marth, peach winning all the time, this game is everything I wanted it to be, balanced and easy to use, l cancel is intigrated, sure WD is gone BUT IDC and u should too, a true player adapts and doesnt complain, thats the way of effin life for gods sake...

No WD? too bad, either way u ARE gonna get the game, so in the end u will have to adapt, Im already determined to do so, and IDC if I have to start over from scratch...
 

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We won't know for sure until the game comes out. There will probably be a handful of new advanced techs.
QFT sounds like a winning comment
Ya, but still...why remove most of them=??? 1 was removed from SSB64 to Melee, and that was TAUNT CANCELLING. Seirously, at least 90% of them should have returned. If Brawl heads down this path, the end result will look worse then the other two, by far. Seriously, stuff like "TETHER RECOVER! OMG! NEW TECH"=dumb. We all knew how to do it, and it was as easy as short hopping. Seriously, if it goes this way, Super Smash Bros. Brawl n00b is gonna be a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT for the competitve scene. At least 20 old ATs must return to replace it. That's basically how many we lost.

@ pure_awesome
STFU! That's not all that's gone. Most everything is gone. Everything we know and love. Maybe he should have insulted n00bs to even out the playing field. The last games I played that totally got rid of the old GOOD playing system was Devil May Cry 2, Zelda II, and Megaman X7. And Zelda II was the only good one. The rest sucked like no other.
 

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Whiners need to stop. Im good at Smash with or without WD. ALthough I will miss WD alot I still play and love SSB64.

If you rely on a crutch like WD then you're not really good. The real veterans shouldn't be too bothered by this.

The only thing I will say Im kinda disappointed about is L-canceling....But again its not too big of a deal.

Remember people smash is about your reaction and reflexes. Not about flashy techniques. When I play a weak person or any person(and Im sure most of you will notice this) the game seems to slow down. The better you get, the slower the action seems. In reality you are just thinking faster, smarter and you're reflexes have been improved. This will not change for brawl. Its all about that. Whoever can think better wins.

Just because WD is out does not mean the game in n00bified...I learned WD when I first started smashing. I was a n00b then. It didnt help me win matches.

I think the only people who are truly bothered with this are n00bs. Because they fear that without these crutches, their true game will be shown...and they will be beaten by n00bs just like themselves.
 

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Ya, but still...why remove most of them=??? 1 was removed from SSB64 to Melee, and that was TAUNT CANCELLING. Seirously, at least 90% of them should have returned. If Brawl heads down this path, the end result will look worse then the other two, by far. Seriously, stuff like "TETHER RECOVER! OMG! NEW TECH"=dumb. We all knew how to do it, and it was as easy as short hopping. Seriously, if it goes this way, Super Smash Bros. Brawl n00b is gonna be a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT for the competitve scene. At least 20 old ATs must return to replace it. That's basically how many we lost.

@ pure_awesome
STFU! That's not all that's gone. Most everything is gone. Everything we know and love. Maybe he should have insulted n00bs to even out the playing field. The last games I played that totally got rid of the old GOOD playing system was Devil May Cry 2, Zelda II, and Megaman X7. And Zelda II was the only good one. The rest sucked like no other.
John you must be jesus cause only the truth comes out of ur mouth!:grin:
 

pure_awesome

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Ya, but still...why remove most of them=??? 1 was removed from SSB64 to Melee, and that was TAUNT CANCELLING. Seirously, at least 90% of them should have returned. If Brawl heads down this path, the end result will look worse then the other two, by far. Anywhere from "tourney purists" (from the guy who updates the smash Dojo! in American English), derived from the 4chan term "Tounreytards", and "Tounrey***s", to "TETHER RECOVER! OMG!". Seriously, if it goes this way, Super Smash Bros. Brawl n00b is gonna be a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT for the competitve scene. At least 20 old ATs must return to replace it.
How can you possibly justify claiming that the term "Tournament Purists" is derived from the term "Tourneytards"? That's like saying the term "Basketball Fan" is derived from the term "B-BallWhore" (Which no, does not actually exist.) This is just you venting and finding **** to complain about because you're bored.


@ pure_awesome
STFU! That's not all that's gone. Most everything is gone. Everything we know and love.
Like what? As far as I can tell, the only major techs that are gone are L-Cancelling and Directional Air Dodge. (And thus, Wavedashing) Think about this for a second. Your claim is that the entire competitive scene is so completely hinging on a move that reduces lag and wavedashing, that it will be a "HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT".

Even if we go all out and assume that they don't put any new techs in to replace these old ones, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
 

TheMastermind

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L-Canciling kinda needed to go for balence reasons.
Make all airial recovery times the same, limited the game. Now that each attack has different recovery times, it adds strategy and depth to the game.

I am however slightly dissappointed that wavedashing is not useable.
Im sure that it will be replaced by newer beter advanced tecs.
 

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wow lol only the scrubs are happy, I read the entire last few pages.

Well, Stryks too I guess

It's not the end of the world, though I will miss the freedom of l-canceling. WDing is so-so for me, but retreating fsmash will be sorely missed =`[
 

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Actually I think WiFi was a bigger reason for removing L-Cancelling than balancing (although both probably played a part). If you know much about action game network coding, being able to change the lag of a landed airial by pushing a button would be harder to compensate for in latency than having the lag time be 100% the same every single time for a given air attack. Has to do with the fact that latency is dealt with through motion prediction algorithms, and the less "important" input that's needed for the game to be duplicated accurately on another system, the easier on the network bandwidth.
 
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