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Even if Jolt Haymaker and Rising Uppercut had useful recovery variants, I'm fairly sure the defaults would be considered more useful (though I personally love Grounding Blow and killing with its spike is the most "take that" way to kill someone ever). Only Straight Lunge's variants would probably see much recovery use, and I could see Flaming being useful indeed if it auto-snapped and didn't inherit its brother's terribad ending animation.
His normals are far better at breaking shields than his specials. Of his customs one just outright ignores them, it doesn't break them.
And if your opponent gets really greedy, you can practically Ganoncide them with Grounding Blow's spike!
I really enjoy reading these writeups of yours. Maybe I'm in an optimistic mood right now but I think that if similar blurbs existed for each character in the game (not necessarily authored by you -- that would be a bit much -- just in general), it would be useful for people that are interested-but-not-commited to learning customs.
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is pretty busy and can't manage to lead the discussions here, so the project is not very organized right now.
Personally, I've been shifting more towards "local" presets (which mostly just means I don't bother keeping the project in tact), too. The project's a great standard, but if you have local players with the interest and ability to rely just on the sets they actually prefer, that's a far better implementation than locking people into a ten-month-old setup.
Simply put, because on top of the general inability for most players to agree to such an extent, there are plenty of characters who have valid reasons to fill their list. That's not always the case, obviously. But even in your example list, I'd never run a default Captain Falcon because I don't see a case in which Falcon Punch will help me more than Falcon Dash Punch.
Well that is a fair point, and while I do see many sets being used in the beginning, I truly feel that eventually we'll only see 1 or maybe 2-3 prevailing sets used in the future. For instance, you point out Captain Falcon's dash falcon punch over default. I used that too in the beginning, but as time went by I realized that I used neutral b so infrequently that the weaker custom just was not worth it in the end. Falcon punch is not something people use often and often only use to 'style' with or as a random reverse. It requires a hard read and the dash version just doesn't have enough of a reward.
Limiting the customs used won't actually, with certainty, reduce unlock time, due to the random nature. It can reduce the expected unlock time, but you can't guarantee you'll get a given setup within X fewer Trophy Rushes/whatevers than if you need them all.
, which is perhaps unusual (as is the fact that I even play so many characters). I don't do it just for counterpick, I do it to try different playstyles and experiment around with what works best for me. Additionally, on several of these characters, other friends of mine use sets wholly separate from the ones I use (notably Marcina, while I only use 1123, a friend of mine uses 1113 or 3113).
For my part, I've been quite busy at work lately (staying until 7 each night, plus Saturdays) so I've kind of dropped out of my local scene temporarily. That's all about to end though, so I've been planning to get in touch with a person who I think is more or less in charge of the local university's Smash club and talk about the subject. Even simply bringing a setup (which I have, including monitor and GCN adapter) would be a step forward, I think.
I think this is a really good idea! This will help take the focus off the constant negativity associated with problematic customs and also highlight new and unexplored things.
It's really tough. I agree that there's a lot there so a brief little thing often fails to convey information, but then you have this thing I made:
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but top sheiks don't spam, so you are actually accomplishing nothing.
Wait, which Sheiks don't rely excessively on Fair into Fair into Fair into Fair? Or go constantly for Dthrow Uair? Or resort to spamming needles if they miraculously fall behind?
To be honest, even without Kong Cyclone, I think DK is much better than all those characters you mentioned without customs. Most people agree he's pretty good in default, especially since the cargo throw update.
Even with the Kong Kombo, he's still at the fringe of viable. I do think he's a great example of a character who has valid sidegrades based on playstyle or matchup, though.
This is the biggest thing that makes me salty in general, but at the very least, people should understand the truth of their actions. I just think there's a real crowd likely to be inspired by *insert otherwise bad character here* doing well. Of course, I've tried to argue from the other side a lot, and I'm always frustrated with a detailed, logical explanation of why X custom on Y character is perfectly balanced being met by "nuh-uh" or my least favorite non-word "jank". I do think there's a mentality that something like custom Villager, ultimately balanced or not, is something they have to "deal with", and a lot of people don't actually want to deal with anything they find inconvenient. Making it clear there's a real cost to the solution of just banning tons of stuff I think can only help.
That's why I feel as if the competitiveness of the smash scene feels dumbed down. The only way things like janky customs become less of a threat is to gain knowledge. People will spend dozens of hours learning the Sheik match up, but wont take a couple to understand the physics of a couple "problematic" customs.
Tons of discussion. It unreasonably favors the characters who want one or no customs at the expense of those who want or need several. It's even been suggested specifically to attack that one Villager setup. Meanwhile, Sonic still gets his only move that matters.
Opponents aren't interested in them, proponents feel slighted.
