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Ike isn't low tier. He has more priority than anyone in the game.
Absolutely. Have you played a good DK? He's hard to even hit and almost impossible to kill. he out ranges everyone in the game, and he builds damage quicker than everyone
Joke Post. Ike has jack priority. Also, Snake can kill you at 30%. What now?
Have you ever played a good Falco? Lazers and shine keep D.K away and because of his speed there's not much he can do about it.
Bad day?
I had my kiester handed to me by a Wolf player who 'hadn't played Wolf in weeks.' I didn't even get him above 100% on the last stock. Final percentage when he killed me:Bad day?
Samus isn't the worst character in the game. That's just blatantly obvious. I wouldn't even place her in bottom tier. Ganondorf, Falcon, Link are clearly worse characters. I would probably even place Sonic and Mario in that company.
5 Marth (26 top8, 25 top4, 2 wins, 98 pts
WTF?!!?Bad day?
Samus isn't the worst character in the game. That's just blatantly obvious. I wouldn't even place her in bottom tier. Ganondorf, Falcon, Link are clearly worse characters. I would probably even place SONIC and Mario in that company.
Tourney results don't lie, tourney results are skewed very heavily on popular characters. Sonic is one of the most popular characters in Brawl. That means that he has a much larger following than less popular characters. That means since more people are going to play as Sonic, more people are probably going to play him well. The only reason Meta Knight makes top tier is because he is good. He has what I like to call "Sheik Syndrome." He's cool to some people, lame to even more, but his skills are top notch. Therefore he still has a large amount of people wanting to play as him because he is good. The same issue goes with Sheik. Because she can no longer chain throw and gimp people at 40%, she is automatically dismissed to low tier. Compound that on the fact that she is only a minor character in a game that's now a decade old and you have a character that very few people are going to play as. Sheik is not low tier. She is lower mid tier and the sad thing about it is that no Sheik mains are here to post vids or argue for her. Unpopular characters are destined to be ignored until someone shows you how good they are. I remember people posting on how bad GaW was initially and how he'd end up low tier again for sure. His few die hard fans brought him up from the bottom to **** near the top of the tier list. Same thing goes with the Ice Climbers, lame characters from a lame game from ages ago. It was actually said in that old character impression thread that they were viable for worst in the game, yes someone dared put IC in league with Brawl Falcon. The whole point here is that this first list is going to be heavily skewed by tournament results because the most popular characters tend to win tournaments due to the large amount of people that play as them. It will take a lot of time before a perfect tier list is made because Ike and Sonic still win tournaments and no one plays as Sheik. Eventually when everyone starts to become comfortable with themselves, the characters will show their true selves and eventually we'll have little to no argument about tiers.
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Top of low tier does Sheik little justice as it pretty much says she has notable trouble dealing with everyone above her and a few characters below her can still put up a very good fight. And as far as Sonic being kind of popular, the Sonic boards have over 30,000 views while the Sheik boards have a little over 3,000. Not to mention many wanted Sheik to be cut from the Brawl roster for some reason and somehow imagined that she would be when Zamus footage was shown. Remember all of the "ZOMG, ZAMUS IS TEH NEW SHEIK!!!" topics? And Sonic was voted the most wanted character to be implemented into Brawl overall. Popularity at its worst.
True facts, but my point is that popularity highly increases the likelyhood of GOOD players actually playing a character. Falco for one has seen lackluster tournament standings that don't reflect his greatness as a fighter. Most people brushed him off as mid tier before his CG and dash-cancel were discovered. Now more people play as him and eventually his ranking will increase. The fact is, when more people play as a character, that character wins more. That's just simple probability. If there are 200 Sonic mains, 15 Kirby mains, clearly the Sonic mains are going to clean up at tournaments because there are more likely to be more good players in that pool of 200 than there are in that pool of 15. Tournament results skew the true sight of tiers.
I've wondered that too. He has lagless aerials, tons of aerial priority, 3 very useful recovery options, and generally strong moves overall. The lagless aerials make him **** impossible to shield-grab. His range might be his biggest issue, but it's better than Wario's who's a fantastic character. His projectile is fairly useless though.
Not just power, TONS OF POWER!!!!!!! A pretty useful projectile with some chance of huge knockback gordos, good aerials and multi-jumps for edgeguard game. Good d-smash, up-tilt, f-tilt, and up+b recovery. Also takes a million years to kill. He is HEAVY!
He's got:
Hello recovery.
The thing is that there aren't 200 Sonic mains. There's a metric ****ton of Sonic players on the Sonic boards, yes, but how many of them go to tournaments? And out of those, how many of them place? I've seen a total four unique Sonic players placing. Weren't Toon Link and Diddy supposed to be really great and popular?
He's the heaviest character in the game and has one of the best recoveries in the game making him the hardest character to KO. On top of being really hard to KO he has a very easy time KO'ing others. Fsmash is the single most powerful non FS attack in the game, Dsmash, Usmash, and Utilt all KO around 100 for most characters. Jet hammer and Gordos can KO below 100 and he can easily gimp recoveries by doing repeated Bairs or Fair off the edge. Has one of the best ground games rivaling Snake's in terms of efficiency. Ftilt is disjointed and has long range but low knockback, Dtilt is an alternative to Ftilt that has less range and isn't disjointed but has more knockback. His jab has good range and is disjointed, plus you can use jab fakes to setup for grabs. Of course his grab game is really good because he has one of the largest grab ranges in the game, and can lead with a CG on most characters, and characters who can't be CG will have to deal with a tech chase. Waddle Dee toss is an above average projectile. Since Waddle Dee's stay out after being thrown they can absorb a lot of projectiles making up for DDD's large size, allowing him to resist camping setups that other big characters such as DK and Bowser can't get around. He has very good match-ups against what most people currently view as the top/high tier characters, and according to the "Character Ranking List" thread, DDD is currently the third best character in terms of tournament success. Seriously, what more do you want to be convinced that DDD is good?
Toon Link popular? That's news to me. Sure he's charming lil kid in my eyes, but I'm pretty sure that the general consensus was that he was a needless contribution as far as balancing the series representatives go. Also as far as Diddy goes, think back to the first melee tier list released. Mario and Zelda were considered in league with the likes of Marth, Fox, Falco, and Sheik. He was initially thought to be great, and now time has proven that he's not top tier material, but still formidable nonetheless. As far as popularity goes, I was completely unaware that he starred in a video game since Diddy Kong Racing until I looked on Wikipedia and I consider myself to be quite the connoisseur of video games.
Yeah, the time of about two months XD. Zelda quickly dropped down to low and Mario to middle from October to December. Plus, it was widely discussion of character potential because there was a very noticeable lack of tournaments back in '02.
And that's pretty much the time that we have here, ~2 months (for the US version anyway). Sonic's use will dwindle eventually, but as long as everyone is using him, he'll still have results. He does have his high points, not like I'm saying he should be at the bottom. It's just that him being almost at the top of the middle tier is downright laughable. According to the tournament standings, he is also better than the Ice Climbers which is also a very skewed result. Convince that he is better than the Ice Climbers and then I'll believe that tournament results aren't skewed by character popularity.
Except that unlike Marth, Sonic has a high learning curve.
Except that disregards what Ankoku has said.
The only way Falco can keep DK away is if the stage is huge. DK's f-tilts reaches nearly halfway across most tournament legal stages. (further than shine) and once Falco gets off the stage against DK he's dead. DK can juggle Falco , literally the only move Falco can do on DK is laserHave you ever played a good Falco? Lazers and shine keep D.K away and because of his speed there's not much he can do about it.
Come on now. D.K's not better than Falco. End of discussion
Ike is obviously more powerful than Snake,, a full charged fsmash kills every character at like 40 percent (and it kills Jiggs at like 15%). but no one's arguing that he's better than Snake anyway. Snake is god tier.
Sonic isn't going to win anymore tournaments now that people are learning how to play the characters that are actually good.
Ike is NOT more powerful than Snake. Snake's fsmash beats out Ike's fsmash. Get your facts straight. Snake has an INVISIBLE disjointed hitbox which = priority.
