Official BBR Tier List v7

[B0NK]

If I look at this I honestly can't Agree with you :$

IC's overal had a better placing then Snake and Diddy and Falco. and had more rep in top 16 then every single character except for MK and Marth.

If it would make you happier to put Marth and ZSS in place of Snake and Falco as characters above IC's, then I can. They are a strong character, but not 2nd-best-character good. An argument can even be made to put them as low as 7th or 8th best, behind Marth and ZSS. But that is not my own opinion.

 

[Jabejazz]

Recent discovery shows that ICs hammers are in fact over-sized microphones used by Phil Collins during his show in Paris in 1997.
This leads me to believe ICs are borderline bottom tier.

:stefEatingHamburgerAsNess:

 

[GOofyGV]

Well I agree with you that IC's do get overrated but I think they still can be 2nd. It's not like that spot is solid to me. But I honestly don't know who else to put 2nd.

 

[B0NK]

Personally, I'd put Olimar as 2nd best. He has the best match-up spread in the game (excluding MK's match-up spread) and has proven to have a very good solo viability.

Falco is another character with just as strong of a match-up spread, but suffers from one hard non-MK counter (ICs).

Depending on how powerful you believe Diddy's infinites are, I can also see him as 2nd, although his current metagame gameplay is not there yet.

 

[DeLux]

Don't know who else you'd put second?

Follow the money imo

 

[GOofyGV]

Personally, I'd put Olimar as 2nd best. He has the best match-up spread in the game (excluding MK's match-up spread) and has proven to have a very good solo viability.

hmm I don't know about that one tbh. He loses to MK, IC's and Falco.
Where IC's lose to MK, ROB and probably 1 or 2 others.

 

[B0NK]

hmm I don't know about that one tbh. He loses to MK, IC's and Falco.
Where IC's lose to MK, ROB and probably 1 or 2 others.

IC's lose to MK, ROB, and Snake. I also feel like Olimar does a decent job against ICs and Falco, but both characters are clear counters to me too.

ICs are also more stagelist dependent than Olimar. (And all the other top, high, mid, and even low tier characters).

 

[DeLux]

hmm I don't know about that one tbh. He loses to MK, IC's and Falco.
Where IC's lose to MK, ROB and probably 1 or 2 others.

Swords or items means even or better. Except for Link, you can trade him for wolf

 

[GOofyGV]

aha and wasn't Bowser -1 or even to?

 

[Cassio]

I think the competition at SRT was definitely nationl/international level bc it had a decent sample of players from the worlds strongest regions. Unfortunate as it is I think people seem to forget that an overwhelming majority of players that do well at nationals come from three areas: Japan, NY/NJ, and Socal. Go take a quick looksie at the Apex 2013 results.

Also, I feel like people massively overrate olimar. I think hes definitely top 5, but most people look at the character and are quick to claim how dumb he is without bothering to assess or abuse his weaknesses, the only character that bothered to put that time in were the metaknights (and a few individual players here and there like larry, razer, etc.). I think right now hes top 3 but if people actually learn to fight him he could potentially fall a bit in a snake like manner.

Maybe people overrate ICs, but other characters arent all that either.

You do this because someone changing characters tells you they wouldn't have been able to win with their main solo, Doesn't matter if they won with that character or not, they switched for a reason.

This is actually an interesting point, I was talking to Tyrant and K9 about this and it was mentioned on stream when ESAM played Zero and went ICs one game then 3-0'd him with pika. They were saying how sometimes peeps will change characters as a palet cleanser or since they feel worn on the character theyre using. In this case it has more to do with the player than the MU.

 

[B0NK]

This is actually an interesting point, I was talking to Tyrant and K9 about this and it was mentioned on stream when ESAM played Zero and went ICs one game then 3-0'd him with pika. They were saying how sometimes peeps will change characters as a palet cleanser or since they feel worn on the character theyre using. In this case it has more to do with the player than the MU.

If you're going to use Esam as an example, probably best to ask him himself since he could probably tell you what drives his match-up decisions. Interviews are such a great source for information

 

[DeLux]

aha and wasn't Bowser -1 or even to?

It's hard to say at this point in the metagame since bowser's are nonexistent
Vinnie and I both say that Bowser vs. ICs is even though

 

[B0NK]

I think the competition at SRT was definitely nationl/international level bc it had a decent sample of players from the worlds strongest regions. Unfortunate as it is I think people seem to forget that an overwhelming majority of players that do well at nationals come from three areas: Japan, NY/NJ, and Socal. Go take a quick looksie at the Apex 2013 results.

It was a national/international if you judge the tourney solely by the national's top player's (in attendance) skill level. But I believe the amount of top players in attendance at a given tourney can have a huge impact on the results. Apex, Pound, and Genesis just have more top players which means that matches get more difficult to win earlier in bracket than at SRT.

 

[GOofyGV]

It's hard to say at this point in the metagame since bowser's are nonexistent
Vinnie and I both say that Bowser vs. ICs is even though

ok then I'll believe it. Let's slap some IC's with Bowser.

 

[Osennecho]

Personally, I'd put Olimar as 2nd best. He has the best match-up spread in the game (excluding MK's match-up spread) and has proven to have a very good solo viability.

^^^^^ This is a legit argument IMO. Olimar has an enormous amount of potential as demonstrated by Nietono and IMO Oli Falco should be even. It's just that Nietono dropped off the map because he either got to ill or busy to attend tournaments/practice enough from what I heard. Putting IC's below 3rd to me just seems like madness though. I can accept either IC's or Oli at 2nd. I have various other reasons but I'm to lazy.

 

[DeLux]

Shouldn't be madness because ICs are in fact around the 7th or 8th best character

 

[B0NK]

^^^^^ This is a legit argument IMO. Olimar has an enormous amount of potential as demonstrated by Nietono and IMO Oli Falco should be even. It's just that Nietono dropped off the map because he either got to ill or busy to attend tournaments/practice enough from what I heard. Putting IC's below 3rd to me just seems like madness though. I can accept either IC's or Oli at 2nd. I have various other reasons but I'm to lazy.

Was going to like your post, but then you said ICs

 

[GOofyGV]

^^^^^ This is a legit argument IMO. Olimar has an enormous amount of potential as demonstrated by Nietono and IMO Oli Falco should be even. It's just that Nietono dropped off the map because he either got to ill or busy to attend tournaments/practice enough from what I heard. Putting IC's below 3rd to me just seems like madness though. I can accept either IC's or Oli at 2nd. I have various other reasons but I'm to lazy.

Nietono didn't attend Apex however he still attend a lot of tourneys in Japan. he's still there don't worry =)

@ Bonk now you know why I never use the word MK to much in my posts =)

 

[Osennecho]

Nietono didn't attend Apex however he still attend a lot of tourneys in Japan. he's still there don't worry =)
@ Bonk now you know why I never use the word MK to much in my posts =)

He attends less than he used to and rarely goes Olimar anymore unless something changed over the last couple months.

Was going to like your post, but then you said ICs

It's a start. XD

 

[Illuvial]

The fact that it is 2013 and Jigglypuff is not SS tier just baffles me! First you stick DDD in a non-SSS tier and now this?

What ever shall I do with you Brawl community?

 

[pidgezero_one]

I played melee yesterday as jigglypuff and now i think i might quit brawl altogether

 

[Osennecho]

I played melee yesterday as jigglypuff and now i think i might quit brawl altogether

That's the bane of a Jigglypuff player.

 

[Jabejazz]

Jigglypuff is banned in Smash 4. You heard it here first.

 

[Osennecho]

Jigglypuff is banned in Smash 4. You heard it here first.

Puff will never get banned. She's too cute, pink, fluffy, and demoralizing. Now if Puff isn't in a Smash that would be different. Buuutttt if she's not in Smash 4 I'm not getting it or the console >_> Get on my level Sakurai. Also you need more platypus. Put it back.

 

[Jabejazz]

Also you need more platypus. Put it back.

Sucks that signatures only appear once per page.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I think the GIF was much better than this. But, they need Platypus as a Starfox character.

 

[Jabejazz]

I think the GIF was much better than this. But, they need Platypus as a Starfox character.

Dude, I don't even think there's a platypus Pokemon. What's up with that ****?
Poison/Water Pokemon, where you at

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

I've seen Psyduck argued to be a platypus.

 

[Jabejazz]

I've seen Psyduck argued to be a platypus.

PsyDUCK

platypus

The *********** is strong around here. It's clearly a ****ing duck.

 

[Shadocat]

This thread gives me reason to post on smashboards again.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Dude, I don't even think there's a platypus Pokemon. What's up with that ****?
Poison/Water Pokemon, where you at

They haven't even gave Dunsparce an evolution yet.
My hope in humanity is diminishing.
Because Pokemon.

 

[Osennecho]

They haven't even gave Dunsparce an evolution yet.
My hope in humanity is diminishing.
Because Pokemon.

Da Obama administration and the Pokemon state petition.

 

[Illuvial]

How to get likes from Shiny Mewtwo or pidgezero!
Step 1) Be Canadian

Or alternatively

Step 1) Say that Jigglypuff is anything more than a manly yet adorable pile of disappointment in Brawl.

The end

 

[pidgezero_one]

How to get likes from Shiny Mewtwo or pidgezero!
Step 1) Be Canadian

Or alternatively

Step 1) Say that Jigglypuff is anything more than a manly yet adorable pile of disappointment in Brawl.

The end

Strangely I think you have more likes from me than anyone else in this thread does

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

How to get likes from Shiny Mewtwo or pidgezero!
Step 1) Be Canadian

Or alternatively

Step 1) Say that Jigglypuff is anything more than a manly yet adorable pile of disappointment in Brawl.

The end

You also have to be funny.

 

[Jabejazz]

You also have to be funny.

Then why do you like Illuvial posts?
#shotsFired #getRektNerd

 

[Illuvial]

Then why do you like Illuvial posts?
#shotsFired #getRektNerd

#Crying
#QuittinfBrawl5evr

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Then why do you like Illuvial posts?
#shotsFired #getRektNerd

Same reason I like your posts.

(pity)

 

[Dekillsage]

Yo like my posts homies I need to become more famous on smashboards!!!

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Yo like my posts homies I need to become more famous on smashboards!!!

I'll like yours if you like mine