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I'm not sure how you keep getting "we cg you" from ddd specifically chaingrabs snake to the edge with a number options to then put snake off the edge and low heavily limiting snakes recovery options which is especially deadly do to ddd being more than capable of gimping snake. Ddd even has the option of an aerial grab release that also cancels snakes aerial momentum if he attempts the c4 recovering allowing inhale to gimp the cypher and an attempt of c4ing yourself.
is much better at positioning 
into awkward and bad situations. From a cg, he can get off a free Dtilt and potential Bairs. The Bairs will not kill usually, but doing 70-80% from a grab is very rewarding. Sure, approaching is not always easy for , but 's ftilt will beat anything (Including nades) without yielding him any damage. Dthrow tech chase is viable against , but I do not readily see lunging at for a grab outside of catching his Up b, which would mean free damage regardless. is also a grounded character. With hopping high up in the air, does not have a multitude of options other then toss a nade up or side b loool. however can choose to reverse swallow, regular swallow, land and grab, nothing, nair grounded, or bair. His options are all greatly rewarding since swallow beats shield and his aerials beat everything else unless PS'd of course. outprioritizes most of 's aerials grounded with Utilt and aerial with Bair. myself as a counter to some players, I do not see this as anything other then 's favor +1.. I have seen his under-ration of when he has said ***** , when Zak is just not good vs that character. Hilariously, Coney was amazing vs , which I saw as a definitie worse matchup (-2).
no
wrong, ftilt even at maximum range blows up nados and ddd takes damage
wrong again, good snakes grab ddd a LOT, it's how you win the matchup. i don't think dthrow is as huge as some people say, but it puts ddd in a really ****ty position (ddd's get up attack hits in front of him first, meaning snake can prepare for this on reaction. only option he can't cover just by SHIELDING is froll, which can be punished with dacus)Dthrow tech chase is viable against
all options are slow and punishable on reaction. if you try to begin inhaling later, you can be punished in startup. ddd sucks at landing against snake just as bad as snake sucks at landing against ddd
true
DDD wins from how bad he ****s up snake from edge guarding which yes relies on the cg but isnt the reason why. When d3 loses usually you can see that d3 got outplayed somehow.
No, we need more XxJiGgLyPuFf_DuDe_420xX in this threadMostly because we could use some more bubbaking in this thread.
DDD can't gimp snake. He doesn't have a spike or a move like shuttle loop to kill snake early. He can potentially do a lot of damage but you have to understand the most damage he gets is if he counterhits my jump.(So just save your jump and take a bair or two)
You know if I throw a nade up towards ddd he can't inhale right? Also that I don't have to challenge ddd and can punish his landing with my 5 frame friggin dash attack that covers half the damn screen. Land and grab isn't legit, him doing nothing doesn't get him anywhere, bair can be blocked or just avoided completely, You realize that dthrow-> dtilt not only doesn't kill at any reasonable % but lets snake recover high for free?
This matchup is always flip floppy in my mind. I could see it as even, but from my own observations and using
I always thought Atomsk was one of the best at this matchup. Coney may have played Takeover frequently, but I do not think he was the most adept in this matchup. Coney also highly underrates
There is no limit to the amount of XxJiGgLyPuFf_DuDe_420xX we need. Also that name is a pain to type out on a smart phone with all the silly caps in it. I miss pidgezero...
strips a nade, it goes quite low, which makes it easy to space an ftilt and not blow up. Ftilt still a good spacing tool.
Welp can't argue with this
+4 TripleD
>Raps>Confirmed for being black.
pls no. He thinks get up->utilt is a really good option vs snakes dthrow and nairing usmash gets ddd to safety(lol snake can't uair/utilt the nair)I am 90% certain that you can blow up a grenade with ftilt without getting damaged. That tidbit is dropped all over the ddd boards. I am fairly certain I have physically done it myself but I can't go test it right now as I am at work I will suggest that bubbaking go test it. Mostly because we could use some more bubbaking in this thread.
In my humble and unbiased opinion, this game would be a lot better if I was allowed to use a telestrator during stream commentary.
Worry not, pidgezero_one's name is watching over us from the big data warehouse in the sky...
*Gets excited*Keep up the Avis guys
These last 5 put a smile on my face
is even with . Then I play and killing that mofo is hard as balls.
I may as well be black with all this SOUL I got!Uses
i thought i did, but maybe i didn't make it clear
In what areas do you feel Snake excels in to off put the large punishes Dedede gets on Snake when he gets grabbed without a nade? How often do you think when both players play optimally that those scenarios should happen. How well do you think Dedede approaches Snake? Do you feel having 4 jumps circumvents Snake's camp game? What kinds of scenarios can Snake force on where the risk/reward is in Snake's favour? What kinds of scenarios can Dedede force where the risk/reward is in Dedede's favour? How often do either of these situations happen ideally. Do you feel results support or negate the claim of Dedede/Snake being even or in Snake's favour? How should Snake approach this MU? How should Dedede approach this MU? How much of an effect do nades have?
So you're going to say that the only Snake player to convincingly beat Atomsk at the MU during the time period when he was practically gobbing them up is bad at the MU? The same guy who took him out when even Ally's Snake was losing repeatedly to him? Man, this is extreme nitpicking to selectively support your case if ever I saw it. IIRC, Fatal has one of the best track records against high/top DDDs (I'd have to check again to be certain). What the heck are you talking about?
DDD can hit Snake over and over until he dies, lolz. Go watch some Atomsk vs Snake since you guys like to quote him so much. He's so good at doing this. Snake can't go high immediately because he's dthrown or grab-released. Smart DDDs will do this instead of fthrowing them. I mentioned these options several times before, but it seems like you ignored them (wouldn't be the first time), which is somewhat irritating.
When DDD releases Snake at such a low point, he can just fair/bair him until he dies. Nobody's saying that Snake loses onstage, but you're trying to make it look like Snake is almost guaranteed to make it back onstage from being sent off, even if he takes some damage in the process. That's simply not true. If DDD does the right action at the ledge, which is NOT throwing Snake high, Snake can most definitely be gimped. I see Atomsk do it to top Snakes. Your statements otherwise are kinda ignorant.LOOOOLZ!
HelpR is not a top DDD, and I doubt he is even a high-level DDD. Jband is a high-level player, but I wouldn't extend that status to his DDD either. He's much better with MK, which makes sense because he mostly goes MK in tourney matches that matter anyway. iLove is most definitely NOT even a high-level DDD. DewDaDash is probably better than all three of those DDDs, with the possible exception of only Jbandrew. The fact that you lose to both Vex and Jband means that I would really trust Dew's opinion over yours. DewDaDash is actually a high-level DDD with some really good wins to his name. Do your research, kid.This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever read in this thread.
Coney also thinks that DDD:Wario is even. I just talked to him personally about that very MU while playing with him at a smashfest. Stand with him. C'mon... I wanna see this.
I've been saying this the entire time I was talking about this MU. Are people even reading my posts?
never said that, chillConey also thinks that DDD:Wario is even. I just talked to him personally about that very MU while playing with him at a smashfest. Stand with him. C'mon... I wanna see this.
