Official Notable Players List (Aug '15): Luigi & ZSS

[Jucchan]

Sorry I'm a bit late on the Umebura 18 stuff, was on vacation.

Here are the ones I think haven't been listed yet:

Degree 2:
Ice [あいす] Victory over Abadango

Degree 4:
Kameme [かめめ] (Kamemushi [かめむし]) + Others over Octo
FILIP Victory over kept
KENT ?? I can't find any recent footage. Victory over Manzoku
T Victory over kept
Nasubi [なすび]Victory over Paseriman

 

[DunnoBro]

I should probably point out I never beat boss or seagull with DHD, only yoshi. Though my yoshi is ass so don't think too much of it.

 

[Shaya]

Not sure if you missed it, @ Shaya , but NinjaLink plays Greninja alongside Megaman.

His smashboards uploaded results are mostly all megaman. Probably need some anecdotes.

@ Shaya Did you see this?

I did but in my "clean slate" Snow has tended to unlisted. Would reinstate him as degree 2 if he has other recent degree 2 player victories.

I should probably point out I never beat boss or seagull with DHD, only yoshi. Though my yoshi is *** so don't think too much of it.

and rectified.

 

[Deleted member]

@ Shaya
Kamicario also beat nakat at CEO
Zenyou beat Aerolink, Trela, Denti, and Kamicario at LTC3

 

[FullMoon]

His smashboards uploaded results are mostly all megaman. Probably need some anecdotes.

You can see some Smash Island videos in his youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03NsxZ3xvKY (8:17, 32:25, 1:15:55)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3fjzBWokM8 (23:24, 1:16:52, 1:49:00)

There's probably more if I were to check out his twitch channel.

 

[BrianYDG]

His smashboards uploaded results are mostly all megaman. Probably need some anecdotes.



I did but in my "clean slate" Snow has tended to unlisted. Would reinstate him as degree 2 if he has other recent degree 2 player victories.



and rectified.

I took out Snow , Feel Tension , & Pelca all with Jiggs . She's underrated in those matchups.

 

[Wii Twerk Trainer]

I'll try to link as many of my Wii Fit stuff as I can.

Evo - Top 32 with Wii Fit Trainer and Mii Gunner
Beat DKWill and others. Gotta find the list of names. Haven't been able to find these individual lists from Evo.

DVDA #9 Vegas Regional - 9th place with Wii Fit Trainer and Mii Gunner
http://vegassmash.challonge.com/DVDA9

Smash Fore San Diego(100+ players) Top 32 with Wii Fit Trainer and Mii Gunner
http://challonge.com/smashforesingles

SSS(Super Smash Sunday's 31: The Return) SoCal Regional 13th place with Wii Fit Trainer and Mii Gunner
Will try to find the challonge

Don't forget that Spyro's Pikachu beat SlayerZ!

I also defeated Spyro's Pikachu with Wii Fit Trainer at the same SSS regional.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't know if placings count for this rather than showing who you beat from these notable players, but beating dkwill should be enough to get you on tbh

 

[Shaya]

Updating the third post tables (doing the usage one now, will update this post while I'm doing it, lol)
Also that Mexican G&W from EVO... I don't have a known link for him to add him.
Actually I don't have much of evo results (specifics) either. Capt Awsum over Rain? etc


Diddy Kong's 19 listed players -> 10 | 8 | 1 | 1 *diddy rep just HALVED*
Sheik's 17 listed players -> 25 | 15 | 5 | 4 | 1 *disgusting warning flags alert*
Falcon's 10 -> 7 | 4 | 1 | 2
Rosa's 6 -> 9 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 1
Mario's 4 -> 3 | 2 | 1
ZSS's 8 -> 10 | 3 | 5 | 2
Oli's 4 -> 5 | 2 | 3
Fox's 10 -> 11 | 6 | 3 | 2
DuckHunt's 4 -> 3 | 1 | 2
Greninja 2 -> 3 | 0 | 1 2
Ike 2 -> 3 | 0 | 3
Mac's 4 -> 5 | 3 | 2
Lucario 3 -> 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1
Luigi's 9 -> 10 | 6 | 3 | 1
Marth 2 -> 3 | 1 | 2
Mega's 2 -> 2 | 1 | 1
MK's 3 -> 6 | 1 | 5
mewtwo 1 -> 2 | 1 | 0 | 1
brawler 4 -> 5 | 1 | 2 | 2
Ness 8 -> 11 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 3
Palutena 2-> 3 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1
Peach 6 -> 6 | 0 | 4 | 2
Pika 4 -> 5 | 2 | 1 | 2
Sonic 11 -> 13 | 4 | 4 | 5
Tink's 2 -> 3 | 0 | 2 | 1
Villager's 4 -> 6 | 1 | 4 | 1
Wario's 2 -> 3 | 3
WiiFit's 2-> 3 | 0 | 3
Yoshi 4 -> 5 | 0 | 3 | 2
Link 1 -> 2 | 0 | 1 | 1

---
Diddy halves; probably would've happened earlier had I done a clear out, but nevertheless
Sheik continues to rise. Now is higher than Diddy ever was.
Rosa, ZSS, MK, Sonic, Ness and Villager continue to have good growth in representation.

 

[Shaya]

Mega-Rayquaza


Uber


Overused


Borderline


Underused


Rarely used


Never used

 

[Wii Twerk Trainer]

Mega-Rayquaza


Uber


Overused


Borderline


Underused


Rarely used


Never used

Why is Wii Fit Trainer missing? Lol

 

[Shaya]

So as the discussion of who should be "notable" on Diddy/Sheik in recent pages I thought I would actually initiate that part of the process officially.
I'm looking at filling up the quota; five or so players per character (possible with some leeway for regional divides to have more). Bringing up characters (a few at a time?) to focus on hopefully promotes clarifying of results and head to head match ups, sharing of related videos, etc.
Even if there are more than five representatives to be listed, they should all be at a similar "level" (ambiguous). Oh and if we don't think there are at least five players worthy we can cut it short.
Generally the first degrees would automatically be above second degrees in selection but that's just a rule of thumb (but will be a decider on contentious grounds).

Sheik

I'm going to preemptively select the following:
[America] ZeRo (1st place x3 at nationals+)
[Europe] Mr.R (top 4 x2, top 8)
[Japan] Rain (#1 in Japan, 9th at evo)

Player | Region | Start | Notable victories & connections
k9 | USA | 03/15 | Vinnie, Concon, gsmVoiD ; 6 second degrees
Vinnie | USA, Atlantic North | 03/15 | Tyrant, LarryLurr, K9, Tearbear, Mr.Concon, xzax, gsmvoid ; 2 second degrees
Wizzrobe | USA, Atlantic South | 08/15 | Ally ; 1 second degree
False | USA | 03/15 | 2 second degrees
Nietono | Japan | 03/15 | ? ; 5 second degrees
gsmVoiD | USA, Pacific West | 08/15 | K9, Vinnie, LarryLurr, RichBrown ; 2 second degrees
Denti | USA, Southwest | 03/15 | 3 second degrees
Akiro | USA | 03/15 | ?
DKWill | USA | 03/15 | ?
Rayquaza | USA | 05/15 | ?
Phuzix | USA | 08/15 | ?
Master Raven | USA, Atlantic South | 08/15 | ?

Second/third degrees (many Japanese)

Spoiler

Diddy Kong

Pre-selecting
ZeRo (Apex, CEO [minor], EVO ; nearly fully victorious usage)
MVD (CEO, wins over Ramin, Vinnie, ESAM, Shaky, M2K and all sorts of top caliber players)
Angel Cortes (victories over MVD, Nairo, Shaky, gsmVoiD ; only other Diddy with fleshed out results for them)

Player | Region | Start | Notable victories
Jtails | USA, Atlantic North | 03/15 | ?
Zinoto | USA, Midwest | 03/15 | ?
Chris Fisch | USA | 03/15 | ?
Fliphop | USA, Southwest | 03/15 | ?
JJRockets | USA | 06/15 | ?
Player-1 | USA, Atlantic South | 08/15 | ?
Edge (エッジ) | Japan | 05/15 | ?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

We're looking for around or up to the five most notable players per character, but perhaps several more based around continental provisions. Bringing up characters to focus on hopefully promotes clarifying of results and head to head match ups, sharing of related videos, etc.
Even if there are more than five representatives to be listed, they should all be at a similar level. Oh and if we don't think there are at least five worthy that's fine too~
Generally the first degrees would automatically be above second degrees in selection but that's just a rule of thumb (but will be a decider on contentious grounds).

Not entirely sure what this is about, especially the underlined part. Are you asking for input on whom we think deserves to be singled out?

Also, I'll probably add some results from Germany soon if I can find results. Germany's considered the stronges region in europe and it'd definitely add some weight to this project if you could have some of their players here.

 

[Shaya]

Reworded.
And yeah that would be nice/helpful.
You could likely find several first degrees just by upping some results on smashboards.

 

[Illuminose]

False, VoiD, and K9 should be on the list for the US I'd say. Those are the 3 best US Sheiks (if we say that ZeRo is Chile). Nietono plays Fox now so listing him under Sheik would probably be wrong. Listing Shu and Nyanko for Japan makes sense (Edge is a Diddy Kong player I thought?) given their track record in Japan and notable victories over there. There's a bunch of random Japanese Sheiks that are really good for some reason but those two are definitely the most notable outside Rain.

Phuzix and Master Raven are probably worth listing as well but my guess is that it would be too many at that point.

For Diddys Jtails/Zinoto/Edge are the most important of that list I'd say.

e: forgot about J! and didn't know Edge plays Sheik, would say Shu's performances are deserving enough though

 

[Jucchan]

Edge plays Sheik a lot more now, and based on results he will likely be Degree 1 once I finally get the results up. He's considered a Top 5 Japanese player, being 3rd on the Umebura rankings as well. imo Top 5 Japanese Sheiks are Rain, Edge, Nyanko, Shu, J! at the moment if we don't count Nietono who mostly plays Fox now.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I agree with that order and that Nietono shouldn't count as a Sheik player at this point.

False, VoiD, and K9 should be on the list for the US I'd say.

Vinnie has better results and wins so for the USA he should be ranked as 2nd .

Overall I think the order for Sheik players should be: Zero > Mr r > Rain [gap] Edge / Nyanko / Vinnie; That would be 6 but idk which one I'd leave out if you stick to a strict top 5 formula.

 

[John12346]

So, since the last update to this thread to date, I've managed to win against the following Degree 1 players: NAKAT, juice.Doom, Keitaro, Zee, NinjaLink, AeroLink, and MikeKirby, all with . Granted, a lot of these were really close, but we take those, right? I don't have direct links to the tournament results on hand right now, but I can go and find them if you really need me to.

So am I Degree 1 yet

 

[TheHypnotoad]

Considering Lucina has no players currently listed, would it be worth listing Nairo as a Lucina player? He only plays her when he's joking around with his opponent, but he usually wins when he does. I think he's beaten False and Angel Cortes.

 

[Illuminose]

ya nairo's lucina has actually done stuff (I can't quote results rn but I know he's taken stuff off relevant tristate players in the past) which is more than any lucina can claim. it's his joke character but his lucina is really good.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Ryo should have Lucina listed along with Ike. Legitimately used her against Static Manny's Roy in Grand Finals. Used Ike in Winners Finals, won both times but his Lucina had an easier time.

 

[Deleted member]

False, VoiD, and K9 should be on the list for the US I'd say. Those are the 3 best US Sheiks (if we say that ZeRo is Chile). Nietono plays Fox now so listing him under Sheik would probably be wrong. Listing Shu and Nyanko for Japan makes sense (Edge is a Diddy Kong player I thought?) given their track record in Japan and notable victories over there. There's a bunch of random Japanese Sheiks that are really good for some reason but those two are definitely the most notable outside Rain.

Phuzix and Master Raven are probably worth listing as well but my guess is that it would be too many at that point.

For Diddys Jtails/Zinoto/Edge are the most important of that list I'd say.

e: forgot about J! and didn't know Edge plays Sheik, would say Shu's performances are deserving enough though

Nietono uses a variety of characters but he'll use both fox and sheik.

 

[Zigsta]

@Ash23's Bowser beat Feel Tension's Fox.

http://smashboards.com/rankings/defend-this-house-s-x-singles-wii-u.7738/event?id=8

 

[Planet God Venus]

http://smashboards.com/rankings/smashfield-weeklies-2.8005/event

Ryuga beat Ally in Winners Finals lost twice in Grand Finals
Sethsational beat Ksev in Winners Quarters lost in Loser Semifinals
Ally beat Ksev in Losers Finals
Viev and Nom beat KC in losers and winners

 

[Zigsta]

More Bowser love time!

http://smashboards.com/rankings/s-x-smash-wii-u-singles-05-19-15.6408/event?id=8

On 5/19, (since Snow isn't ranked in top 60 anymore) Snow beat vaBengal, DunnoBro, Average Joe, and GimR. That should qualify Snow's Fox for Degree 2.


http://smashboards.com/rankings/defend-this-house-s-x-singles-wii-u.7738/event?id=8

On 7/25, Le Troof beat DunnoBro and Snow.


I'm not sure about characters since I didn't watch any of these sets personally, so maybe @ Hitman JT or @ DunnoBro could confirm. Just trying to figure a way to get Le Troof on here for Bowser next update.

Also @ Shaya the first post needs an update sometime to reflect the new character/user additions, whenever you have time, of course!

 

[Macchiato]

http://supersmashcon.challonge.com/g206
BrianYDG beat Snow and Feel Tension

http://vgbootcamp.challonge.com/SatX08042015SSB4
Snow beat Feel Tension and Fatality

http://vgbootcamp.challonge.com/SatX07282015SSB4
Smash G0d beat Hoodlife 101
Hart DE beat Serynder and Hoodlife

http://youtu.be/gy9h20FDWVs
SSR beat Hart DE

 

[Zigsta]

Got another Bowser for you!

http://challonge.com/fadsummer_singles10

Zork's Bowser beat Jonny Westside's Samus. Zork also beat Zan, but I understand that Zan wasn't going Toon Link at this tournament, so I'm unsure if that would be counted too.

http://challonge.com/fadthursingles_11

Zork also beat Nicko's Marth at this tournament.

 

[warionumbah2]

Salena (サレナ) beat Pichi (ピチ)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k-fr6Itrvs

 

[DunnoBro]

Definitely wasn't using my DHD those days. Some combination of yoshi/sonic/mario. Though snow has beaten it before, even in customs when I finally mastered custom DHD. He also beat fataility so not sure how he isn't at least degree 2. Very underrated player.

 

[Zigsta]

I've got one more Bowser to add.

http://challonge.com/fadsmodysingles_3

Final Boss beat Angbad.

http://challonge.com/fadthursingle_12

Final Boss also beat Jonny Westside at the above tournament.

Now I'm done.

#TeamBowser

 

[Hitman JT]

More Bowser love time!

http://smashboards.com/rankings/s-x-smash-wii-u-singles-05-19-15.6408/event?id=8

On 5/19, (since Snow isn't ranked in top 60 anymore) Snow beat vaBengal, DunnoBro, Average Joe, and GimR. That should qualify Snow's Fox for Degree 2.


http://smashboards.com/rankings/defend-this-house-s-x-singles-wii-u.7738/event?id=8

On 7/25, Le Troof beat DunnoBro and Snow.


I'm not sure about characters since I didn't watch any of these sets personally, so maybe @ Hitman JT or @ DunnoBro could confirm. Just trying to figure a way to get Le Troof on here for Bowser next update.

I did use Bowser for those sets.
Dunnobruh used Yoshi and Snow used Fox.

 

[Deleted member]

Got another Bowser for you!

http://challonge.com/fadsummer_singles10

Zork's Bowser beat Jonny Westside's Samus. Zork also beat Zan, but I understand that Zan wasn't going Toon Link at this tournament, so I'm unsure if that would be counted too.

I went at this tournament

 

[Jucchan]

Hyper Sumabato is over, crazy tournament.

Misc
Remove from Edge, he's completely dropped him.

Degree 3:
Ginko [ぎんこ] Got 3rd at this major even though it was his first offline tournament. Victory over Komorikiri.

Degree 4:
M2_KENTO Victory over Yoshi.
SHIG|Shimitake [SHIG|しみたけ]Victory over Saiya.
9BVictory over J!
Tatsutsuyo [たつつよ]Victory over Earth.
Mangalica [マンガリッツァ] Victory over Sylph.
Sopumo [ソプモ]Victory over Kie.
Yusan [ゆうさん]Finished Top 8. Victory over Paseriman, ikep.
Supa [すぱ]Victory over Yoshi.
Hatsuyuki [はつゆき]Victory over Earth.

2 players that didn't beat any degree 3s but I thought should be considered for degree 4:
Macho [まっちょ]Finished Top 12. Victory over Shimitake and Nasubi.
Nijoururi [二条ルリ]Finished Top 6. Victory over Hatsuyuki and Macho.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

WTF @ these results.

Do you have a bracket for that?

 

[Jucchan]

WTF @ these results.

Do you have a bracket for that?

Here's the bracket, translated by someone in chat. http://challonge.com/HypersumabatoT

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah, I already saw it. Thanks.

The results though ... can't wait for the videos.

 

[Macchiato]

C.R.Z beat J. Miller
AfroSmash beat C.R.Z

http://gp-tips.challonge.com/DS5singles

 

[Gawain]

How come Ryo isn't mentioned as a notable Ike player? He's pretty visible.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

C.R.Z beat J. Miller
AfroSmash beat C.R.Z

http://gp-tips.challonge.com/DS5singles

@C.R.Z

Dude how do you beat Miller and then lose to a Samus ... as Fox.

0_o

 

[Macchiato]

@C.R.Z

Dude how do you beat Miller and then lose to a Samus ... as Fox.

0_o

Because Samus is so broken and deserves nerfs. Sakurai please.

NERF•SAMUS