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NorCal Melee Power Rankings - Summer '15 Update - In Sickness and In Filth
- Thread starter HyugaRicdeau
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NintendoKing
Smash Champion
LMAO <3 KFC!! Seriously watch out for KFC though, this kid is gonna be ****.
EDIT: PM ME WHO LUNIN I PROMISE I WONT TELL ANYONE!!!
EDIT: PM ME WHO LUNIN I PROMISE I WONT TELL ANYONE!!!
HyugaRicdeau
Baller/Shot-caller
Ender, Snap, Nemesis, and Frotaz are my heroes.
PS. I seriously want to play Go. Who plays??? I spent like 4 hours reading about strategy. Also we should play on a smaller board first since I'm nub.
PS. I seriously want to play Go. Who plays??? I spent like 4 hours reading about strategy. Also we should play on a smaller board first since I'm nub.
froz3ntear
Smash Ace
We should play. I've probably only played 3 games in my entire life so we're on equal ground and the only strategy I know of comes from the end of clips of "Hikaru no Go"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikaru_no_Go
and I've yet to finish it.
Go is so insane though... mastering the game is unfathomable, but if we get too frustrated... there's always tetris right?
KILLA.FOR.CASH.
Smash Champion
nemesissssssssssssssssssssssssssss......... where do u live i wanna play you.... lol.
the only reputable fox mains in norcal i havent played in dittos is you and zelgadis.
(zelgadis ***** me too much in friendlies, i was scared to go fox LOL!!)
the only reputable fox mains in norcal i havent played in dittos is you and zelgadis.
(zelgadis ***** me too much in friendlies, i was scared to go fox LOL!!)
froz3ntear
Smash Ace
I live in San Jose if you want to come over and play sometime, but its sort of far
Can you drive yet?
I don't know bout myself being a fox main... I'm bad at fox dittos and I use sheik and cf just as much BUT... if you can get yourself over here, I could always use the practice... I lack people to practice with especially space animals. Is that your actual aim sn in your profile? I shall IM you
I saw your vids 5 months ago... scared me... can't wait to get some practice in.
The Game II
Smash Champion
When I had a mac (which is hella long time ago) that was the only game that constantly worked. but I sucked at strategy because i'd get it confused sometimes with othello
--GCII
I'm off the panel I assume because i did outrageous things with my list such as including kev$ and nintendoking and putting myself at 10th...either that or people didnt see me around and didnt wanna bother contacting me
but since im off the panel, I feel justified in saying "this list is better by two places"...because now that im off the panel, i don't have to worry about things like getting kicked off the panel for "being annoying"^_^
EDIT: Uraj has a big fancy Go board
EDIT2: oh look at this:
13. Hyuga 78
14. Simna 64
lol largest point gap on the list...Hyuga and I as smashers...are pretty much the opposite ends of the spectrum....he enjoys driving and i cant...hey hyuga can u give me a ride to the next sac biweekly?^_^
EDIT3: i thought there was too much regarding me on the power rankings in this post so i decided to make this extra edit. Ness is top tier.
Zoap
Smash Master
hey guys so i was thinking today, and looking at the points, things dont seem to add up, at least with wat i was previously told.
One example is when the 6 of us discussed at least 1 of us said Jeff was gonna be higher than Dan on their list, now either that person changed their mind wit another look, which is very possible. But they went to extreme lengths to defend why they believed it so at the same time its like bleh. The reason I mention this is cuz Jeff has 144, which divide by 6 is perfect 24, meaning all 6 voted him second.
So maybe tommorow when Lunin logs on I can just ask him cuz he did add up the points but just want to make sure.
One example is when the 6 of us discussed at least 1 of us said Jeff was gonna be higher than Dan on their list, now either that person changed their mind wit another look, which is very possible. But they went to extreme lengths to defend why they believed it so at the same time its like bleh. The reason I mention this is cuz Jeff has 144, which divide by 6 is perfect 24, meaning all 6 voted him second.
So maybe tommorow when Lunin logs on I can just ask him cuz he did add up the points but just want to make sure.
I'm pretty sure you meant my name in place of Jeffs when you were talking about all 6 ppl voting to be 2nd on the list. And yes, to clarify, I believe that points were brought up in the discussion among the panelists that might have swayed their decisions as far as where to place Jeff and I. I'm not standing by this 100% because I cannot say anything with 100% certainty. But in short I believe a couple guys changed their minds.
And also, the sole reason that panelists from Sac were left out was because Ender had turned down the offer last time, or at least handed the offer to Simna, and there was too much dispute concerning the particularities or possibilities of his bias. But the fact is that the more often the rest of norcal gets to play with Sac, the more aware the Sac scene will be of norcal's overall skill level, just as more of norcal will also be able to better judge Sac's skill level. So because the SJSUs are on haitus right now, I'm just gonna say there's a **** good chance we'll have a sac panelist or two on the next list.
King Out
And also, the sole reason that panelists from Sac were left out was because Ender had turned down the offer last time, or at least handed the offer to Simna, and there was too much dispute concerning the particularities or possibilities of his bias. But the fact is that the more often the rest of norcal gets to play with Sac, the more aware the Sac scene will be of norcal's overall skill level, just as more of norcal will also be able to better judge Sac's skill level. So because the SJSUs are on haitus right now, I'm just gonna say there's a **** good chance we'll have a sac panelist or two on the next list.
King Out
Zoap
Smash Master
ok king i figured and yes thats exactly wat i meant, just making sure cuz i looked at the points and if they were miscalculated there are alot of close places, so just wanted to make sure that there accurate.
KILLA.FOR.CASH.
Smash Champion
howcome zoap isnt a sac panelist? he has been to every SBW pretty much.
oh and NESS IS TOP TIER
oh and NESS IS TOP TIER
NeighborhoodP
Smash Hero
amen111111
cavesonic13
Smash Lord
hey simna next time if you dont ave a ride and I am going to the smash tourny i can maybe pick u up...
tc1
Smash Lord
Well Heres my thoughts on samus & Luigi players
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NeighborhoodP
Smash Hero
Think you need to get ROFL in there as best So Cal Luigi 
Aesis
Smash Ace
Very true, nowadays.
tc1
Smash Lord
Well the Samus title's are undisputable.
Luigi Possibly. But i haven't seen kev on the NCPR.. Or place as high as meep has In my opion Kev's not better than meep .
Uhm i just thought ultra luigi was the best because i hear his name alot and ive seen him in multiple tournies placing and making it out of pools and i never heard of ROTF sorry..
+ every body i said this is MY opinoin. but im listening
Luigi Possibly. But i haven't seen kev on the NCPR.. Or place as high as meep has In my opion Kev's not better than meep .
Uhm i just thought ultra luigi was the best because i hear his name alot and ive seen him in multiple tournies placing and making it out of pools and i never heard of ROTF sorry..
+ every body i said this is MY opinoin. but im listening
ShadowBTZO
Smash Lord
Snap
Smash Ace
i remember kev$ luigi dittoed meep in a sac tournament a long time ago and took him out. but that was a long time ago.
HyugaRicdeau
Baller/Shot-caller
Hey guys, I want to bring one point to everyone's attention regarding what we use as input for our rankings.
Should money matches be fair game to use as part of our basis for rankings?
I did some thinking about the nature of money matches earlier today. What is the point of a money match? Ostensibly the goal is to win money, but that's not all there is to it, necessarily. Sure some money matches may be purely for fun and excitement over cash stakes, but I think in many cases, the point of the money match is so that 2 people can get the best of their opponents at whatever time they decide, instead of just waiting until the next time they face each other in a tourney, which can often be months.
So, I think it is totally appropriate that if you want to prove that you can beat X person in a tourney set to money match them. Following this, I also think it may make sense to take money matches at a similar value to tourney matches (assuming they aren't for $.01).
Of course we'd have to have a standard to judge them by; I think they should be 3/5 using approximately NCB rules (players could agree to slightly different rules regarding stage banning, etc.), and I'd say $5 minimum. $5 because it's about half of a double elim tourney entrance fee, and it's a general standard bet in any case. And there's no harm done in refusing a MM either.
So lemme know what you all think about this.
Should money matches be fair game to use as part of our basis for rankings?
I did some thinking about the nature of money matches earlier today. What is the point of a money match? Ostensibly the goal is to win money, but that's not all there is to it, necessarily. Sure some money matches may be purely for fun and excitement over cash stakes, but I think in many cases, the point of the money match is so that 2 people can get the best of their opponents at whatever time they decide, instead of just waiting until the next time they face each other in a tourney, which can often be months.
So, I think it is totally appropriate that if you want to prove that you can beat X person in a tourney set to money match them. Following this, I also think it may make sense to take money matches at a similar value to tourney matches (assuming they aren't for $.01).
Of course we'd have to have a standard to judge them by; I think they should be 3/5 using approximately NCB rules (players could agree to slightly different rules regarding stage banning, etc.), and I'd say $5 minimum. $5 because it's about half of a double elim tourney entrance fee, and it's a general standard bet in any case. And there's no harm done in refusing a MM either.
So lemme know what you all think about this.
KILLA.FOR.CASH.
Smash Champion
sorry guys.
MEEP's luigi> Kev/foxroar/ (havent played germs yet)/ and everybody elses.
and yeah i AM biased so **** off.
back to maple story.
MEEP's luigi> Kev/foxroar/ (havent played germs yet)/ and everybody elses.
and yeah i AM biased so **** off.
back to maple story.
Delphiki
Smash Champion
Here is NK's problem:
SBW II
Beat Delphiki (close match, but prolly not playing 100%)
Lost to Kev$
Lost to Sad Panda
SBW III
Lost to Simna
Beat Dark Mike
Lost to Hyuga
SBW IV
Beat Hyuga
Lost to Meep
Lost to ShadowBTZO
SBW VI
Lost to Oni Shinigami
Lost to Delphiki (not using his main in either set, nor trying his hardest)
The Last NorCal Biweekly
Beat Nemesis
Lost to Bob$
Beat Hyuga
Lost to Falcomist
SBW VII
Lost to KFC
Lost to Boback
Do you see how inconsistent he is? He'll willingly and purposefully lose to players like myself (and I know I can't beat him if we were both at 100%) but then he'll turn around and beat Hyuga, Dark Mike, and Nemesis. If NintendoKing played consistently I think he would definitely be on the list.
Nemesis on the other hand I have not seen play, but his results:
Lunin & Yen's Biweekly
Lost to LunIn
Beat Clod Zero
Lost to Bootle
The Last NorCal Biweekly
Lost to NK
Beat Geo
Beat Hella
Lost to Simna
Consistent results, although not many. He also has the benefit of being observed by panel members, who attend NCBs more often than SBWs. I think that NK might deserve the spot but he fails to show it. However I won't say anything for certain because I haven't seen Nemesis for myself.
SBW II
Beat Delphiki (close match, but prolly not playing 100%)
Lost to Kev$
Lost to Sad Panda
SBW III
Lost to Simna
Beat Dark Mike
Lost to Hyuga
SBW IV
Beat Hyuga
Lost to Meep
Lost to ShadowBTZO
SBW VI
Lost to Oni Shinigami
Lost to Delphiki (not using his main in either set, nor trying his hardest)
The Last NorCal Biweekly
Beat Nemesis
Lost to Bob$
Beat Hyuga
Lost to Falcomist
SBW VII
Lost to KFC
Lost to Boback
Do you see how inconsistent he is? He'll willingly and purposefully lose to players like myself (and I know I can't beat him if we were both at 100%) but then he'll turn around and beat Hyuga, Dark Mike, and Nemesis. If NintendoKing played consistently I think he would definitely be on the list.
Nemesis on the other hand I have not seen play, but his results:
Lunin & Yen's Biweekly
Lost to LunIn
Beat Clod Zero
Lost to Bootle
The Last NorCal Biweekly
Lost to NK
Beat Geo
Beat Hella
Lost to Simna
Consistent results, although not many. He also has the benefit of being observed by panel members, who attend NCBs more often than SBWs. I think that NK might deserve the spot but he fails to show it. However I won't say anything for certain because I haven't seen Nemesis for myself.
Bootleofwater
Smash Journeyman
That sounds like a good idea, Sheridunns. I thought that for a while about money matches. I just never brought it up because I figured people would somehow say it's different from a tourney match.
Delphiki
Smash Champion
Double post time. edit: Heh heh Bootle saved me.
I thought about money matches for consideration before, but I think if one is to be considered it must be AGREED BY BOTH PLAYERS that the match will be considered.
I would like to say something regarding Sac panelists. I would like to recommend myself, but there is one very large problem: I have almost no knowledge of the players who don't make it to the SBWs. I have played or watched very few of them and have not heard a large amount on most of them. However I can fairly say that I would be able to judge the players who come to Sac at least somewhat accurately. I must also admit that, because of my lack of skill, my judgement may be obscured at higher levels of play.
I thought about money matches for consideration before, but I think if one is to be considered it must be AGREED BY BOTH PLAYERS that the match will be considered.
I would like to say something regarding Sac panelists. I would like to recommend myself, but there is one very large problem: I have almost no knowledge of the players who don't make it to the SBWs. I have played or watched very few of them and have not heard a large amount on most of them. However I can fairly say that I would be able to judge the players who come to Sac at least somewhat accurately. I must also admit that, because of my lack of skill, my judgement may be obscured at higher levels of play.
SuperRad
Smash Master
he was like 10th or 11th then asked to be removed.
whiteboyninja
Smash Ace
snapBP, being your first post, im going to guess that you are someone else just taking a jab at snap.
if you really are new here, then keep your mouth shut. snap is a fantastic smasher who can beat a majority of the people on the power ranking using a bottom tier character.
so stop talking now, please.
if you really are new here, then keep your mouth shut. snap is a fantastic smasher who can beat a majority of the people on the power ranking using a bottom tier character.
so stop talking now, please.
Delphiki
Smash Champion
What he's trying to say nicely is that if you don't know what you're talking about please stop until you have knowledge on the subject.
Silent Wolf
...
It was just Snap.
tc1
Smash Lord
Uhh Meep plays luigi in serious tournies , but his marth is good 2.. And. Frotaz's samus .. Is not even on a scale with DM's Just being bluntly true
KILLA.FOR.CASH.
Smash Champion
Silentwolf should post here more because i like staring at the girl in his banner =)
Snap
Smash Ace
Dark mike has a really good samus.
and meep has a really good luigi.
but i think when tc1 says they are the best in norcal, it will upset more people than it pleases, and thats no fun.
kev$, foxroar, and germ have amazing luigis too.
how about we all shut up about who's the best and just play for it.
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edit
also do you guys think it's racist to say "I like asians"
i know it's not racist in the usual sense of being racist, such as in the comment "I hate asians," but both of these statements share something in common: judgement based solely on race.
and meep has a really good luigi.
but i think when tc1 says they are the best in norcal, it will upset more people than it pleases, and thats no fun.
kev$, foxroar, and germ have amazing luigis too.
how about we all shut up about who's the best and just play for it.
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edit
also do you guys think it's racist to say "I like asians"
i know it's not racist in the usual sense of being racist, such as in the comment "I hate asians," but both of these statements share something in common: judgement based solely on race.
Zodiak-Lucien
Smash Lord
until someone says they are offended by that, I think there is no reason to talk about it.
Here's my challenge:
I'd love for people who are good at SBW to prove themselves OUTSIDE OF THE SBWs!
Quite frankly, all we have to judge people like Dark Mike and Meep are the SBWs and TGEs.
I give them credit for beating the likes of Hyuga, BTZO, Frotaz, and Zoap....but really, lots of people do that occasionally.
Still, you gotta recogize that people do worse the more they travel in general. Simna will probably tell you that he does worse when he has to travel for 2.5 hours to get to a SJSU biweekly. Norcal in general does worse when in Socal and vice versa. Think it's just coincidence that Ken's worst losses in the MLG season were in NY?
I suppose that Sac isn't so close to FTA either, but having those tournies be our only evidence?
Do I hear an invitational tourney in the works?
This is not designed to be an attack on FTA and Sac. After all, I voted for them to be on the list too. I just think that we need to step it up a little bit in terms of getting people together.
I don't think a once-a-month committment is too much. I'm thinking one tourney, once a month, swiss format, and so on. THis is all out of left field, though.
Go? Sorry, as I haven't had the spirit of a former champion Go player possess me yet, I have no skill at that game. I did teach Isai how to be a champion Othello player in like 5 minutes. I wonder if he still remembers?
I'd love for people who are good at SBW to prove themselves OUTSIDE OF THE SBWs!
Quite frankly, all we have to judge people like Dark Mike and Meep are the SBWs and TGEs.
I give them credit for beating the likes of Hyuga, BTZO, Frotaz, and Zoap....but really, lots of people do that occasionally.
Still, you gotta recogize that people do worse the more they travel in general. Simna will probably tell you that he does worse when he has to travel for 2.5 hours to get to a SJSU biweekly. Norcal in general does worse when in Socal and vice versa. Think it's just coincidence that Ken's worst losses in the MLG season were in NY?
I suppose that Sac isn't so close to FTA either, but having those tournies be our only evidence?
Do I hear an invitational tourney in the works?
This is not designed to be an attack on FTA and Sac. After all, I voted for them to be on the list too. I just think that we need to step it up a little bit in terms of getting people together.
I don't think a once-a-month committment is too much. I'm thinking one tourney, once a month, swiss format, and so on. THis is all out of left field, though.
Go? Sorry, as I haven't had the spirit of a former champion Go player possess me yet, I have no skill at that game. I did teach Isai how to be a champion Othello player in like 5 minutes. I wonder if he still remembers?
KILLA.FOR.CASH.
Smash Champion
i dunno, its not just SBW'ers and TGE'ers that have a problem traveling.. a while ago i asked some NCB'ers to come to TGE and Stockton and stuff and most of them dont have rides either.
IMO, norcal isnt connected.
IMO, norcal isnt connected.
It's certainly easy enough to throw the challenge back at anyone else, that wasn't so much the point.
Complaints about the list, arguments over who has the best whatever, this person deserves credit for the list while this person doesn't...it all boils down to what KFC just said: NorCal isn't connected. We're all just guessing. Some guesses are more educated that others, but they still carry the same status.
If we could have semi-major events that could be announced at least a month in advance, we'd really have something that people could not only plan for, but also train for. Throw in that swiss system, too.
Complaints about the list, arguments over who has the best whatever, this person deserves credit for the list while this person doesn't...it all boils down to what KFC just said: NorCal isn't connected. We're all just guessing. Some guesses are more educated that others, but they still carry the same status.
If we could have semi-major events that could be announced at least a month in advance, we'd really have something that people could not only plan for, but also train for. Throw in that swiss system, too.