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The 3000th post is mine.
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It's showing up as 3001 to me.The 3000th post is mine.
Wow man. Youre literally trying to villainize me, which is ridiculous.My dude, you chose to ignore our posts and convince yourself why Ninten doesn't have a shot, and you don't even have accurate counter points to mine.
You're using the straw man argument, which, when used, shows the argument is done because you don't have anything to add other than attacking the other side...instead of attacking the actual argument itself.
And, if we really disgust you that much, the door's over there. I'm not forcing you to leave. but you know what to do if you despise us.
The 3000th post is mine.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAIt's showing up as 3001 to me.
To be fair, you praised the group and then mocked us all by saying "I came in to say that this community was strong. I guess that's where the compliment can end". You also called us all delusional just for seeing things different than you do. Just because you believe we're delusional for seeing differences between Ness and Ninten doesn't mean it's true.Wow man. Youre literally trying to villainize me, which is ridiculous.
I came into here praising the group and asking for the merits of the character.
Whatever disagreements we found, trying to put the phrase that "I despise you" into my vocabulary is not only factually incorrect, its immensely inappropriate for you to do.
We already told you how they can be distinguished - Ninten can either use his Japanese Mother 1 commercial design or get a redesign like Pit did in Brawl - unless you also chose to conveniently ignore that.I don't know how to continue in this thread if the general support base can not concede that visually, Ness and Ninten are almost identical. If you swapped their shirts (which are the same shape), they wouldn't be able to be differentiated. Ness literally has more variant alts than from his original than Ninten is from him. There are no characters in Smash that are this similar visually. The closest are Peach and Daisy, but they actually
Wow man. Youre literally trying to villainize me, which is ridiculous.
I came into here praising the group and asking for the merits of the character.
Whatever disagreements we found, trying to put the phrase that "I despise you" into my vocabulary is not only factually incorrect, its immensely inappropriate for you to do.
pupNapoleon Here they areNinten's and Ness's clay models, while very similar, actually have some noticeable differences, including their faces.
I'm not gonna blame the entire thread for one user responding in inflammatory and territorial means.We already told you how they can be distinguished - Ninten can either use his Japanese Mother 1 commercial design or get a redesign like Pit did in Brawl - unless you also chose to conveniently ignore that.
Also, you literally told us all the stop being delusional and that you take back what you said about us being a strong community. And, I mean, if you don't like a thread, you don't have to stay in it.
EDIT:pupNapoleon Here they are
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Also, like others have mentioned, they could use Ninten's commercial design. Or Sakurai could flat out re-design the character like he did with Pit (although that's a bit unlikely). Point is, there's options for Ninten.
That's literally what you said lmao. You can go back and check your posts if you want. And look up the commercial design -I'm not gonna blame the entire thread for one user responding in inflammatory and territorial means.
Do not tell me again how I feel, or try to present me as having used aggressive language.
As for anyone else who wants to continue this as a conversation and not a personal attack, please do. I've seen every version of Ninten- it only takes google. The 'original design' is still Ness with some French accents. If its just moveset and lack of Ninten using PSI attacks, we can continue on that front too. I mistakenly thought the fact was that Ninten could not use PK overall, not specifically PSI. That said, I'm not sure this matters much, given the number of other characters who borrow moves from others in their own franchise. If anything it seems to mean even more work for Ninten, rather than reusable assets.
Could you elaborate a bit more on what you mean here? PK and PSI are the same thing...As for anyone else who wants to continue this as a conversation and not a personal attack, please do. I've seen every version of Ninten- it only takes google. The 'original design' is still Ness with some French accents. If its just moveset and lack of Ninten using PSI attacks, we can continue on that front too. I mistakenly thought the fact was that Ninten could not use PK overall, not specifically PSI. That said, I'm not sure this matters much, given the number of other characters who borrow moves from others in their own franchise. If anything it seems to mean even more work for Ninten, rather than reusable assets.
You're thinking this too deeply from a business perspective and forgetting that Sakurai is a creative genius. You're also refusing to believe it's possible to make these two characters look different when that's not true. We get they have similarities, but that doesn't mean the character cannot work or couldn't get in.There is literally more variation from one version of Ness to the next, than there is between Ninten and Ness. Are we all looking at the same image? What am I not understanding??
Sure--Could you elaborate a bit more on what you mean here? PK and PSI are the same thing...
I'm just not sure what point you are trying to make. Ninten has original moves that would not only represent Mother 1, but would also be different from Ness and Lucas. Not similar, I mean Ninten has the potential to be completely different and it is not that hard to see how. Ninten knows PSI that neither Ness nor Lucas know. PK Beam, 4th D Slip, the list goes on. With Mother 1, there is a lot to work with because it is different in terms of combat/items compared to Mother 2 and 3.
As for Ninten's design, the potential is there to make something work. As you can probably tell, Ninten doesn't really have a consistent design. Canonically, his designs are his in-game sprite, clay model, and commercial design, each of which are different from each other. You might be thinking that would make it harder to give Ninten a design, but no, it just means there's a lot more designs to work with and knowing Sakurai's creativity, he could come up with something both original and unique enough from the other Mother characters. You imply that it is impossible to differentiate Ness and Ninten in terms of appearance but it is possible, that's just a fact.
Well, for one, we already told you what Ninten can do. I'll post is again here:Sure--
The user that pointed out that Ninten could not use PSI attacks then suggested a PK move in suggested moveset. So I guess that is where I ended up confused.
Ultimately, part of the question is if Ninten even should be that different from Ness and Lucas. For example, some characters would feel more out of place by trying to force differentiation. I'm not particularly familiar with the nuances of each Mother game, so let me go to a more common example.
Dixie Kong. She could use a barrel throw, summon animal buddies, and it would all be moderately relevant to what she does in the games. But- that would make playing as her and playing as Diddy feel of two completely separate worlds. Is the story and game mechanic from Mother 1 so drastically different from 2 and 3 that it would be a fair representation of Ninten to not feel anything like the other characters?
And moreso, I go back to, it doesnt exactly matter what a character can do canonically. If I recall, Robin cannot actually use Nesferatu (sp). In fact, I believe it has been said that either Ness, or Lucas, or both, couldn't actually use PK starstorm.
I could be far off in my understanding, which is why I bring any of it up. So help me understand, because so far that hasnt been altered.
Same goes for the visual--- don't tell me blush on the cheeks will differentiate the character, that's not a viable option to see in Smash Bros at the distance some stages go. In fact, the stripes having an extra color, in some designs, seems shaky too- the biggest thing to differentiate Lucas and Ness is the hair. At a distance thats all that can be seen in the fights.
I guess some other characters can look similar from a distance, namely the plumbers in color swaps and some FE characters. In short though, if all of these facts have to just be overlooked, its a lot of things to concede about Ninten, and thats without discussing any other points.
Ninten could use PK Fire, PK Thunder, PK Freeze, and PSI Magnet - Ana can use those, so Sakurai could make Ninten use her moves as he made Ness use Paula's - even PK Beam would be taking from Ana - but PK Flash and PK Starstorm don't exist in Mother, so he would require at least a couple of differences in moveset, though people would like for him to be more-unique, including using 4th-D Slip as an up-special among other things; yo-yos aren't weapons in Mother, either.Sure--
The user that pointed out that Ninten could not use PSI attacks then suggested a PK move in suggested moveset. So I guess that is where I ended up confused.
Ultimately, part of the question is if Ninten even should be that different from Ness and Lucas. For example, some characters would feel more out of place by trying to force differentiation. I'm not particularly familiar with the nuances of each Mother game, so let me go to a more common example.
Dixie Kong. She could use a barrel throw, summon animal buddies, and it would all be moderately relevant to what she does in the games. But- that would make playing as her and playing as Diddy feel of two completely separate worlds. Is the story and game mechanic from Mother 1 so drastically different from 2 and 3 that it would be a fair representation of Ninten to not feel anything like the other characters?
And moreso, I go back to, it doesnt exactly matter what a character can do canonically. If I recall, Robin cannot actually use Nesferatu (sp). In fact, I believe it has been said that either Ness, or Lucas, or both, couldn't actually use PK starstorm.
I could be far off in my understanding, which is why I bring any of it up. So help me understand, because so far that hasnt been altered.
Same goes for the visual--- don't tell me blush on the cheeks will differentiate the character, that's not a viable option to see in Smash Bros at the distance some stages go. In fact, the stripes having an extra color, in some designs, seems shaky too- the biggest thing to differentiate Lucas and Ness is the hair. At a distance thats all that can be seen in the fights.
I guess some other characters can look similar from a distance, namely the plumbers in color swaps and some FE characters. In short though, if all of these facts have to just be overlooked, its a lot of things to concede about Ninten, and thats without discussing any other points.
Your words don't make sense to me. You say that Ninten cannot use PSI, and then make up a moveset mostly consisting of it.Well, for one, we already told you what Ninten can do. I'll post is again here:
For a moveset, Ninten can use PK beam as his neutral b (a move he learns from Ana), a PSI controlled boomerang as his side b, 4th-D-Slip as his up b, and either PK Shield or telepathy as his down b. For a final smash, it can be either him, Ana, and Loid singing the 8 melodies, or using EVE.
And you're not really one to decided whether a character "should" be similar to another. It's a way of just believing what you want to believe.
And, well, changes like the colored shirt, bandana, belt, and cheek blushes are distinguishable enough. You gotta just know that not everything can be changed into they way you want it to be. If it's not distinguishable for you, that doesn't mean it is for everyone else.
Alright, I'll break this down for you -Your words don't make sense to me. You say that Ninten cannot use PSI, and then make up a moveset mostly consisting of it.
Dude- I'm not responding to you anymore. Your tone is nasty and you are at this point, as far as I can tell, just trolling.
Lucina and Marth and Pit and Dark Pit are much more similar imo. I'm not sure what your point is, though.There are no characters in Smash that are this similar visually.
Ninten doesn't use offensive PSI in Mother.Your words don't make sense to me. You say that Ninten cannot use PSI, and then make up a moveset mostly consisting of it.
Dude- I'm not responding to you anymore. Your tone is nasty and you are at this point, as far as I can tell, just trolling.
Why does this matter? Can characters from the same franchise not be allowed to play too differently from each other? 1. How did you come to this conclusion? 2. Explain: . These characters are all from the same franchise, yet none of them play similarly. I get that a lot of franchises have characters that do play similarly (including Mario's) but never was it stated by Sakurai or anyone affiliated with Smash Bros. that it is a requirement for characters of the same franchise to be similar. As far as I'm concerned, this is a fan-rule you have either adopted from someone else or made up, making this not only a moot point but also completely irrelevant to Ninten's chances.Ultimately, part of the question is if Ninten even should be that different from Ness and Lucas. For example, some characters would feel more out of place by trying to force differentiation. I'm not particularly familiar with the nuances of each Mother game, so let me go to a more common example.
Dixie Kong. She could use a barrel throw, summon animal buddies, and it would all be moderately relevant to what she does in the games. But- that would make playing as her and playing as Diddy feel of two completely separate worlds.
Yes. Not only does Ninten function differently from both Ness and Lucas (not having any offensive PSI), but Mother 1 itself is a game that is different from the other games in the series in terms of tone, story, characterization, RPG mechanics, abilities, items, setting, etc. This is why people want Ninten: he can represent a facet of the Mother franchise that has not yet been represented in Smash compared to Mother 2 and 3.Is the story and game mechanic from Mother 1 so drastically different from 2 and 3 that it would be a fair representation of Ninten to not feel anything like the other characters?
We have explained to you how Ninten could work visually, yet you refuse to listen to any of the points we provide. Now let me clarify, I am not trying to do the same to you. I acknowledge what you are saying, and yeah, at face value Ninten and Ness are 90% alike there's no denying that. The differences between them are mostly minor. However, there isn't just one design of Ninten, and you yourself even acknowledged this. There are multiple canon variations of Ninten that could be meshed together, or one of them could be chosen to be the Smash design. There are ways that Sakurai could make Ninten and Ness appear different. We get that there's not a whole lot of drastic ways to make them both appear 100% unique from each other, but the point is, they can be differentiated enough for the Smash audience to be able to tell the difference between the two. And when that can happen, the visualization issue goes away. Any other complaints at that point is just nit-picking.Same goes for the visual--- don't tell me blush on the cheeks will differentiate the character, that's not a viable option to see in Smash Bros at the distance some stages go. In fact, the stripes having an extra color, in some designs, seems shaky too- the biggest thing to differentiate Lucas and Ness is the hair. At a distance thats all that can be seen in the fights.
I guess some other characters can look similar from a distance, namely the plumbers in color swaps and some FE characters. In short though, if all of these facts have to just be overlooked, its a lot of things to concede about Ninten, and thats without discussing any other points.
Personally I don't find it super difficult. Only annoying thing for me are those nuclear reactor robots personally.Sorry for the double post, but...
How annoying and difficult do you guys find Giygas-controlled Onett?
Oh no, I mean Onett when you need to obtain the Meteorite piece, not Cave of the Past. But yeah, the nuclear reactor robots are really annoying lol.So I may or may not be in the possession of a Ninten plush now.
Personally I don't find it super difficult. Only annoying thing for me are those nuclear reactor robots personally.
I'll send a pic later tonight since I've got class and I ran out of binding tape for a school project so I need to run and get that too. I love the ending semester crunch time yay.Oh no, I mean Onett when you need to obtain the Meteorite piece, not Cave of the Past. But yeah, the nuclear reactor robots are really annoying lol.
Also I for one wouldn't at all mind a pic of that Ninten plush :D
Believe me, that's what I'm gonna be doing after finals.I cannot waaaiiiiit for summer.
When it comes, I'm gonna have a Mother marathon lol. Y'all should as well
You don't just... say that and not put a pic of it.So I may or may not be in the possession of a Ninten plush now.
To be fair, I think we all may have a weird taste in music here. All thanks to the MOTHER series with some of its weird tracks that we all have come to know and love. c:So I've also been making Mother themed Spotify playlists as well since I'm a huge nerd. It's making me realize how weird my taste in music is heh.
Cool And we all have to spam the thread with our playthroughs of the Mother games.So I've also been making Mother themed Spotify playlists as well since I'm a huge nerd. It's making me realize how weird my taste in music is heh.
Believe me, that's what I'm gonna be doing after finals.
Mine is Mother 1Since we're here wanting a character from the prequel of the most famous MOTHER game (aka Earthbound / MOTHER 2).
What's you guys' favorite prequel of a game?
Mine is Baten Kaitos Origins. It has much better gameplay, better voice acting, great story, amazing and beautiful world, best soundtrack and interesting characters.
Define Prequel. Like does it have to come after like Star Wars or be like an og game or something?Since we're here wanting a character from the prequel of the most famous MOTHER game (aka Earthbound / MOTHER 2).
What's you guys' favorite prequel of a game?
Mine is Baten Kaitos Origins. It has much better gameplay, better voice acting, great story, amazing and beautiful world, best soundtrack and interesting characters.
Well right now he's on my table at my apartment and I'm still at college so uh... I'll send him when I get back. :3You don't just... say that and not put a pic of it.
YOU
JUST
DON'T
So like, can we get a pic, if it's not much to ask? Please? :3
For this case, a game prequel.Define Prequel. Like does it have to come after like Star Wars or be like an og game or something?
Apart from Mother 1 xDMine is Mother 1
For this case, a game prequel.
The game irl doesn't necessarily have to come out before the actual story.
For example, Baten Kaitos Origins is the prequel of Baten Kaitos, but it was made after the first game came out.
So yeh, any game that shows what happened before the main story.
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Probs one of the Starfox games. I'm so lost when I try to think of a timeline for that series so I'll just go with them heh.
In that case...Mario and Luigi Partners in Time would by my pick lolFor this case, a game prequel.
The game irl doesn't necessarily have to come out before the actual story.
For example, Baten Kaitos Origins is the prequel of Baten Kaitos, but it was made after the first game came out.
So yeh, any game that shows what happened before the main story.
Apart from Mother 1 xD
I'd give my lifeWhat's you guys' favorite prequel of a game?
That's cute.
Oh I have a Ness too, but he’s a shrimp compared to Ninty here. Got him a while ago actually.That's cute.
Not gonna lie though, I thought it was a Ness doll initially. Must be tired.
I didn't expect the plush to look that way XD. I think it should've been made using the commercial design though lol.
Well, I wasn’t the one who commissioned him. He was a gift actually.I didn't expect the plush to look that way XD. I think it should've been made using the commercial design though lol.
Actually, wait a minute...
If this plush were to be possessed, it would resemble...THE POSSESSED DOLL
That is an awesome plush my friend.So y’all wanted to see the boy?