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Yeah, that tier list is pretty damn trashy. I wish the backroom had time to let their own tiers out without the game getting patched every month ;-;
EventHubs tier list isn't even a tier list.

It's a popularity contest. There's a reason Rosalina isn't as high and :4dk::4littlemac:&:4wario: is in the bottom 5 despite being much better than that.

EventHubs is bull**** and you're crazy if you take that trash website serious
 

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Mewtwo is NOT worse than he was in Melee, for god's ****ing sake.
Mewtwo is technically worse than in Melee, the problems are that Melee top tiers are just too much for Mewtwo and also that Melee mechanics are not that good for him.
Mewtwo in Smash 4 doesn't have combos throws, is lighter, doesn't really have decent combos or pseudo chain grabs, his Teleport has more ending lag, without L cancel, wavedashing and jump canceling he is much slower in general and one of the most important things: his throws have less knockback.
The only things that Smash 4 Mewtwo has over Melee Mewtwo are a better tech, more power in Smash Attacks and that Side Special and Down Special work now, but they are still kinda useless.
 

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Yeah, that tier list is pretty damn trashy. I wish the backroom had time to let their own tiers out without the game getting patched every month ;-;
will this was made by the smashboards in the tournament thread i believe.So check with them it probably change already
 

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It's not the tier lists that are crap. It's the people who wave it around like it's some kind of standard we should judge characters with.
Also the idiots who pick the highest tiered character expecting to win despite the fact they know nothing on what made them good.
 

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I know we won't get accurate tier lists for a while, but this was funny. (not supposed to be funny though, I don't think) http://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/ssb4/
The amount of people who think Yoshi is top tier is absolutely baffling, there's even pro players that think so, yet Yoshi's strengths aren't that overbearing while he has some really significant flaws, and Yoshis have done barely anything in tournament. Also people still ranking Lucario high purely because they're so scared of aura, when he has some really serious issues in his design and has barely any good tournament results like Yoshi.

It's also nice seeing Zard and DK at the absolute bottom despite the very big buffs they got lately. Charizard in particular, but whatever, the more people underrate him, the more buffs he'll get, which will just benefit me even more.

Ok I understand most of it but that Mewtwo is worse than he is in Melee thing still baffles me.

I wonder how different that write up would be if Mewtwo had a Brawl counterpart.
I would imagine it's possibly from this heavily Melee-biased guy that frequently edits there, who people there are so sick ofthat they avoid dealing with him instead of attempting to shut down his ****. But buffs/nerfs in general tend to attract a lot of idiots who tend to overblow the impact of nerfs (see the general reaction to Smash 4 MK, Marth, and Falco, with many people still thinking they're low tier trash despite any big buffs and tournament results they get), unless the character ends up something like prepatch Diddy or Sheik (in which case they overblow the buffs; in the Diddy paranoia a lot of people forgot how overpowered and obnoxious Brawl Diddy was). So this results in the character sections that deal with buffs/nerfs tending to overstate the impact of nerfs, and then the general userbase of SmashWiki doesn't tend to revert/fixed their edits.

I know shortly after Smash 4 when I did some editing on the Ganon and R.O.B. pages, they had some people claiming nonsense nerfs on them or overstating the effects of the few nerfs they got, while ignoring/understating the significant buffs they got. And when I was an active admin there, I had to fix the "list of nerfs" page for every game about every other week because people kept adding bull**** nerfs or exaggerating them.
 
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It's not the tier lists that are crap. It's the people who wave it around like it's some kind of standard we should judge characters with.
Also the idiots who pick the highest tiered character expecting to win despite the fact they know nothing on what made them good.
You mean people who pick Goku instead of Yamcha ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 

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EventHubs tier list isn't even a tier list.

It's a popularity contest. There's a reason Rosalina isn't as high and :4dk::4littlemac:&:4wario: is in the bottom 5 despite being much better than that.

EventHubs is bull**** and you're crazy if you take that trash website serious
When did I ever say I did? .-.
 
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Anyone miss Manaphy from brawl? I loved how you would have to learn to use every fighter just because of it :)
 

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What in particular is so amusing if you forgive my caveman brain that can't comprehend Competitive Smash.

Smash Wiki says Mewtwo as he stands is worse than his Melee counterpart. How? He relfects, Disable is a million times more useful (not saying much) and his recovery is is better. Or is Melee so perfect that even if you got pimp slapped by Pichu you are still higher than all the peasants that comae after?
If Mewtwo is 7th to last in a roster of 26 (19th) versus him being bottom 5 in a roster of 54 (49th, at best) then he's worse in Sm4sh's environment compared to how he was in Melee's. Judging strictly by tiers, of course, and Mewtwo is really awful. His recovery doesn't matter and reflect/disable don't fix his awful Zelda-like attributes.


event hubs is trashThis the current tier list has of august
Why is Swordfighter not bottom 5? Why is Samus below Zelda? Why is Mewtwo above Ganon? Why is Pikachu not S tier?

This is surprisingly accurate otherwise
 

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Of course he's active with SeamanGaming


Wait didn't you leave because you started a fight or something? Either way welcome back! But please explain
I left for a while because a handful of people were accusing me of trying to for lack of a better word profit off of Iwata's death.

I came back partly because @PushDustIn told me that some people were asking about me.
 
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Real talk though I'd actually buy a Dreamcast, just for the sake of actually owning a SEGA console (not to mention I've heardthey're easy af o mess around with).
 

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If Mewtwo is 7th to last in a roster of 26 (19th) versus him being bottom 5 in a roster of 54 (49th, at best) then he's worse in Sm4sh's environment compared to how he was in Melee's. Judging strictly by tiers, of course, and Mewtwo is really awful. His recovery doesn't matter and reflect/disable don't fix his awful Zelda-like attributes.




Why is Swordfighter not bottom 5? Why is Samus below Zelda? Why is Mewtwo above Ganon? Why is Pikachu not S tier?

This is surprisingly accurate otherwise
That doesn't mean Mewtwo is worse in Smash 4, all that really says is that there were more even worse characters in Melee than Melee Mewtwo. And that's pretty much the case, Smash 4's lower tier characters are A LOT better than what were in the previous Smash games (while the top tier characters aren't as OP nor have attributes that shut down so many lower tiers). You're going to have much better chances in Smash 4 tournaments with the likes of Mewtwo, Samus, Zelda, etc. than you would in Melee (and Brawl) with its atrocious low/bottom tiers.

Also Swordfighter is another one of those characters who has gotten some really good buffs in the patches, and still claiming he's bottom 5 is being really behind the times.
 
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That doesn't mean Mewtwo is worse in Smash 4, all that really says is that there were more even worse characters in Melee than Melee Mewtwo. And that's pretty much the case, Smash 4's lower tier characters are A LOT better than what were in the previous Smash games (while the top tier characters aren't as OP nor have attributes that shut down so many lower tiers). You're going to have much better chances in Smash 4 tournaments with the likes of Mewtwo, Samus, Zelda, etc. than you would in Melee (and Brawl) with its atrocious low/bottom tiers.

Also Swordfighter is another one of those characters who has gotten some really good buffs in the patches, and still claiming he's bottom 5 is being really behind the times.
The better tier lists generally use tournament results to back up placings of characters. Most of the times characters like Mii Swordfighter do not place well or even get used in tournament so they are placed low on tier lists.
 

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Weren't the majority of Swordfighter's buffs to customs?

Customs can help, but they don't propel a character multiple tiers.
 
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