NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

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So, when were you suprised at a Smash reveal?

I was surprised when Villager, Mega Man and Wii Fit Trainer dropped.
Then Rosalina.
Greninja
Then Robin.
Then Mewtwo's reveal during the 50-Facts.
And Lucas.

Which is pretty sad considering there were so many characters for Smash. Leaks killed all the hype, but that's what happens when you actively search for them

EDIT- completely forgot about Greninja when i was going through my memory. Added him.

My thoughts in order of how they happened,

Spoiler

- Well this is a speculative surprise, Sakurai changed his mind, thank god it's not Tom Nook
- Mind Blown, **** it the Livestream crashed,
- Are E3-ers messing with us, cause that would be a waste of a slot?, Whelp it's real, better in action at least.
- Kirby in MK8?, too many Mario characters, pretty dang unique/inventive, closet waifu fans will be all over her,
- Finally, Doc Louis is the best thing to happen to Smash since the Falcon Punch,
- Dat music, kind of regret choosing Delphox..., where's Mewtwo?, looks bad*** but I still don't think deserving,
- Meh, took long enough, the Iwata/Reggie fight was cute, please show off another newcomer,
- I won the Goddess Wars, Called It!, open waifus will be all over her, Nintendo & fanservice?, her face is kind of off..., Dark Pit?,
- Finally, dat music, glad he's better in action, G&W!,
- Awakening is still overrated, LMAO Lucina clone, Captain Falcon looks bad***, well at least Robin's not boring to watch fight, where's female Robin?, LMAO Chrom was too boring after all,
- kind of a jerk for attacking Bowser like that, the video leaked to the Staff was true, ESRB is true, one day I'll play my copy of the game,
- Game's out so meh, that trailer makes him look OP, running over MM like that, too many Mario characters, 8 Player Koopaling madness hype,
- Game's out so meh, dat CGI rebirth, music is kind of weird, focusing on the Zapper line as a whole, quack,
- Leaks so meh, still kind of mindblowing, combos, where's the MM team up?,

 

[Deleted member]

My old image

Holy ****, I can't agree more with this, I finally found a pic that says how I feel about gay marriage!

 

[BluePikmin11]

So... this happened.
(http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._spoke_about_his_work_confirms_hes_been_fired)

Well this is sad, I suppose he leaked way too much in the podcast, why can't they at least go behind the scenes on a few things?

 

[Luigi The President]

My newcomer reactions/surprise:

Spoiler

- WOW! Didn't see him coming. Glad an Animal Crossing rep made it.
- MEGA HYPE. Was surprised, but I should've expected him. I didn't though
- I think this was one of the, if not THE most surprising reveal for me. I loved her from the start.
- Was very surprised and very confused.
- Expected him. Was very happy, though.
- MEWTWO...oh, Greninja, okay. Surprised, very surprised.
- Expected them somewhere in my heart. However, I loved the trailer and I love the character. Wasn't surprised though
- Kinda expected her, but still a bit surprised.
- I dropped my 3DS in the toilet the day he was revealed. I don't think I expected him, and I was VERY, VERY surprised. Still get chills when I watch the roundtable reaction.
- Surprised and shocked. Did not expect either at ALL.
- Wasn't surprised due to ESRB, but was pretty cool, and it confirmed ESRB.
- Expected to see their trailer eventually. Awesome trailer, though.
- Hilarious yet expected trailer.
And as a bonus;
- MEGA HYPE when I saw him back.

DLC:

- I literally started screaming at the top of my lungs to my friend on the phone, saying constantly "IT CAN'T BE-OH MY GOD IT IS, IT IS". I was surprised to say the least.
- This absolutely took me out. It was WILD. I didn't scream, but I was super hyped and surprised.
- Expected because of the leaks, but was still super hyped.
- Was surprised the three came together, and VERY HYPED by his trailer, despite not being surprised.

 

[epicmartin7]

Well this is sad, I suppose he leaked way too much in the podcast, why can't they at least go behind the scenes on a few things?

Well, since he's fired now, I wonder if he will more open to talk about his experiences about Nintendo down the line (provided he has no more NDA's)? I do realize that his first/most important goal is to get his life straight and steady, but it's possible might give a little more info once he balances everything out.

 

[Chrono.]

I have mixed feelings on that whole Chris Pranger thing.

On one hand, he seemed like he really did care a lot about his job. But on the other hand, he said a lot of things that were just outright unprofessional and it does confirm NoA does hold a lot of the opinions people usually accuse them of holding. So it makes sense that he got fired (not to mention comparing Sakurai to Van Gogh was a little too much).

 

[Nat Perry]

Sigh.

So I guess that he had it coming for him, but I feel bad for him.

Maybe he shouldn't have formed his identity around his job. Maybe that compelled him to say those things on the podcast so ecstatically. Then again, is there anything truly substantial out there to really form your identity around?

Sad situation.

 

[Deleted member]

My initial newcomer reations:

Spoiler

- Ummm... Neat. Not into Animal Crossing, though.
- HOLY **** IT'S MEGA MAN!
- Okaaay...
- Sweet! She looks fun.
- Awesome! His moveset looks like a natural fit for Smash.
- Not into Pokemon, but this amphibious ninja...thing...looks fun.
- Ummm... Okay.
- Neat, though I expected her.
- His moveset far exceeded my low expectations. Plus he's the gosh darn Pac-Man.
- A Marth Clone with lazily recycled animations?! Robin looks fun, though.
- Yeah, the leaks ruined the surprise, but even without them, my condfidence in his inclusion grew over time. As for my reaction to the reveal trailer, Shulk himself took the words out of my mouth.
- More clones! Yay! /sarcasm
- The Clown Car? Koopalings?! Wow!
- We can finally beat up that chuckling mutt.
- Neat, but where's Guile's Theme?

 

[Depressed Gengar]

So, when were you suprised at a Smash reveal?

I was surprised when Villager, Mega Man and Wii Fit Trainer dropped.
Then Rosalina.
Greninja
Then Robin.
Then Mewtwo's reveal during the 50-Facts.
And Lucas.

Which is pretty sad considering there were so many characters for Smash. Leaks killed all the hype, but that's what happens when you actively search for them

EDIT- completely forgot about Greninja when i was going through my memory. Added him.

My initial reactions to all the newcomers in a nutshell.
: "Huh, Sakurai actually changed his mind. Looks better than expected to boot."
: "Expected, but damn, his moveset looks great! Really accurate!"
: "Hahaha, can't be real."
: "Guys, shut up. We're not getting anything toda- HOLY S*** HYPE.
: "Expected, looks pretty cool, but expected."
: "No Mewtwo for main game, no doubt."
: "Nice job, Sakurai! They actually look good!"
: "Worst character to ever step foot in Smash. At least things like Shrek are in the "so bad it's good" category. But this is *rest is censored*."
: "Fine addition and all, but... why not at E3?"
: "Lucina over Chrom? Just... what the hell?"
: "Well, this one's so going to be overhyped. *And I was 100% spot on with that quote to*".
: "And here's the second worst character ever in Smash."
: "THE BIAS IS STRONG IN THIS ONE."
: "Looks pretty rad."
: "Unexpected, but cool."
: "So, Sonic's pals are joining after all?"

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Random question but if i made smash tourney at around 5 pm saturday would any of you enter.

 

[Luigi The President]

My initial reactions to all the newcomers in a nutshell.
: "Huh, Sakurai actually changed his mind. Looks better than expected to boot."
: "Expected, but damn, his moveset looks great! Really accurate!"
: "Hahaha, can't be real."
: "Guys, shut up. We're not getting anything toda- HOLY S*** HYPE.
: "Expected, looks pretty cool, but expected."
: "No Mewtwo for main game, no doubt."
: "Nice job, Sakurai! They actually look good!"
: "Worst character to ever step foot in Smash. At least things like Shrek are in the "so bad it's good" category. But this is *rest is censored*."
: "Fine addition and all, but... why not at E3?"
: "Lucina over Chrom? Just... what the hell?"
: "Well, this one's so going to be overhyped. *And I was 100% spot on with that quote to*".
: "And here's the second worst character ever in Smash."
: "THE BIAS IS STRONG IN THIS ONE."
: "Looks pretty rad."
: "Unexpected, but cool."
: "So, Sonic's pals are joining after all?"

Uh, what is with you and Palutena?

 

[Fenriraga]

: "And here's the second worst character ever in Smash."

Ouch man.
I mean opinions will be opinions but...
That's just a shot to the heart for me. ;-;

 

[Guybrush20X6]

My reactions

Spoiler

: FINALLY
: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
: Wut
: Neato, shame BJ is disconfirmed
: Finally
: Nice
: Thought so.
: Thought so.
: Ready press conference keeping it all to themselves
: Huh? In your face leak.
: This is better than Chrom!
: Yep THAT leak was real
: We got more Mario characters than stages now
: ...
: I should have seen that one coming.
: WOOO! DLC!
: WOOOO! LOADSA DLC
: THAT other leak was right.

 

[AreJay25]

Might as well give my newcomer reactions (Caps warning)
Also I'm taking the initial ESRB and Ryu and Roy leaks into consideration, not when Sakurai actually revealed them :

Spoiler

- Well, didn't expect that. Nice addition.
- I NEED A NEW PAIR OF PANTS
- What the ****ing **** is this?!
- Didn't see that coming at all. She looks great!
- PUNCH-OUT HYYYYYYYYYPE
- IT'S MEWT- NO IT'S GRENINJAAAAAAAAA
- ... Cool, I guess.
- OUR GODDESS IS HERE
- FJASHFKEJHAIBKABVNKDBFKHDSAKF
/ - R.I.P Chrom. Robin looks fun.
- THE LEAKS ARE REALER THAN REAL
- I ain't even mad.
- Bowser Jr. AND the Koopalings in the Clown Car? I'm already sold.
- I'M SO CONFUSED, YET SO AMUSED
- HOLY **** SAKURAI, YOU'RE A GENIUS

 

[A Distant Demon]

reactions. a little bit of language

Spoiler

FINALLY. been wating since melee. . . where is the fishing pole?
nice fanmade trailer. . .wait this is real? HOLY **** (I actually thought it was fake at the time)
called it
not who I expected. . . but this is 100 times better than what I could have thought of
well I got my #1 for this game
this isn't mewtwo. . . wtf
goddammit I didnt want 1 of them and you gave me three. . .
omg does anyone even understand what the art style is a reference too? I am officially happy with the roster.
*very loud gasp and wheezing noises*
holy **** my (current) 3rd most wanted and no more worrying about chrom or chorus kisd! (oh how I have changed)
HOLY ABSOLUTE **** *dies*
*brought back to life by pure hype*
Sakurai stop i already died once
neat. I'm totally maining DP
Best idea to ever come out of sakurai's head

the other best idea to come out of sakurai

 

[SlickWylde]

I know we won't get accurate tier lists for a while, but this was funny. (not supposed to be funny though, I don't think) http://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/ssb4/

 

[Schnee117]

Newcomer reactions

Spoiler

: 'Kay. Don't really care about Animal Crossing
: Yesyesyeysyesyesyesyes.
: WFT? More like WTF.
: Expected her in all honesty
: Expected him. Can I be surprised?
:Mewt- No wait. Colour me surprised.
: Ugh. Wait there's 3 of them? **** off.
: Expected.
: Expected but still exciting.
: I don't care if she's a clone. 10/10
: Excellent surprise. Maining* alongside Lucina. *Now the third main.
: **** the leaks. Move aside Robin. Shulk's got priority.
: Are you ****ing kidding me?
: **** the leaks. Now to pierce the heavens with Jr's Drill.
: **** the leaks. Game's already out too. New punching bag at least.
: Excellent. But yet again the surprise was spoilt.

 

[AreJay25]

I know we won't get accurate tier lists for a while, but this was funny. (not supposed to be funny though, I don't think) http://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/ssb4/

Spoiler

>Captain Falcon at #6
>Rosalina better than Sheik
>Link at #14
>Mewtwo at #17
>Fox at #19
>Meta Knight at #46 and Wario at #48, both somehow worse than Ganon and Samus
>Donkey Kong is the worst character in the game

Never change, Event Hubs.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I know we won't get accurate tier lists for a while, but this was funny. (not supposed to be funny though, I don't think) http://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/ssb4/

What in particular is so amusing if you forgive my caveman brain that can't comprehend Competitive Smash.

Smash Wiki says Mewtwo as he stands is worse than his Melee counterpart. How? He relfects, Disable is a million times more useful (not saying much) and his recovery is is better. Or is Melee so perfect that even if you got pimp slapped by Pichu you are still higher than all the peasants that comae after?

 

[Chrono.]

Well mine were like...

Spoiler

Oh nice, expected an AC rep in some shape or form
HOLY ****ING ****
wHAT HTE ****
Cool yet expected, moving on
NIIIICE I hope this means other old ATs get upgraded to playable (they weren't)
Cool and RIP Gen V
Eh
Why does she have so many mov--wait is that
RIP Chrom, hello clones and Ness 2.0
*BLASTS YOU WILL KNOW OUR NAMES*

Leaked characters didn't get much of a reaction from me, their trailers were a bit more standard as well (though DH's 8-bit part will always be great to me)

 

[SlickWylde]

What in particular is so amusing if you forgive my caveman brain that can't comprehend Competitive Smash.

Smash Wiki says Mewtwo as he stands is worse than his Melee counterpart. How? He relfects, Disable is a million times more useful (not saying much) and his recovery is is better. Or is Melee so perfect that even if you got pimp slapped by Pichu you are still higher than all the peasants that comae after?

AreJay actually summed it up pretty good:
">Captain Falcon at #6
>Rosalina better than Sheik
>Link at #14
>Mewtwo at #17
>Fox at #19
>Meta Knight at #46 and Wario at #48, both somehow worse than Ganon and Samus
>Donkey Kong is the worst character in the game"

And Diddy Kong at number 16?? No. He's still really good, even with his buffs!

And I don't know competitive that well either, I just get a sense of who's good from watching Tournaments.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

I know we won't get accurate tier lists for a while, but this was funny. (not supposed to be funny though, I don't think) http://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/ssb4/

event hubs is trashThis the current tier list has of august

 

[Jdaster64]

My initial thoughts:

Spoiler

- Wasn't around to hear Sakurai's comments in the Brawl era, so this was more or less expected, but still pretty cool.
- Didn't expect at all; not a huge Mega Man fan, but this was still pretty rad.
- Completely out of left field, was hoping she'd be at fun to mess around with like G&W.
- A bit of a surprise; kind of *meh* on her inclusion, since I figured Mario was mostly well-represented already.
- Meh, more or less expected, never liked the moveset design.
- I guess this is the best they could come up with from Gen 6; also, supreme anti-hype to find out Charizard was likely the only thing we were getting from Pokémon Trainer.
- Pretty cool implementation, wasn't expecting multiple movesets at all. Wish they'd not been restricted from online play, though.
- Inevitable, I suppose; the moveset seems entirely random.
- Was hoping for this, especially since he was basically only inspired by the arcade games.
-

Spoiler

- All solid picks; more miffed at what characters this meant were excluded. (Namely, Lucas and Squirtle / Ivysaur)
- Sweet! Now Mario's recovery won't suck! (Lol)
- Why?
- Well, this'll make that fanbase happy, at least; still missing my preferred Pokémon vets, though.
- YEEEEEES. One major blight of the original roster righted.
- My boy! And he's even better than before!
- Never would have seen this coming, especially at this point. Pretty dang cool, though I don't care much for his playstyle personally.

 

[Chrono.]

event hubs is trashThis the current tier list has of august

I'm a little surprised Lucas is lower than Ness

Actually I'm amused all the June DLC guys are in the same row.

 

[Frisk.]

event hubs is trashThis the current tier list has of august

Charizard doesn't deserve to be so low. Yoshi is being placed too high and Diddy should be below Sonic, Mario and Fox.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Ok I understand most of it but that Mewtwo is worse than he is in Melee thing still baffles me.

I wonder how different that write up would be if Mewtwo had a Brawl counterpart.

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

Mewtwo is NOT worse than he was in Melee, for god's ****ing sake.

 

[Champ Gold]

Here's mine I guess.

Spoiler

retty nice
:Incredible
: Before Smash Fest After Smash Smash Fest
: WHERE'S MY AIR RIDE 2
:

: All that salt
:Expected
:God this trailer is so boring
AC-MANIA BABY
:

:****ing Leaks
:AWW **** MEWTWO HYPE
:AWW **** LUCAS HYPE
:****ING LEAKS PT.2

 

[Chandeelure]

event hubs is trashThis the current tier list has of august

That tier list is crap.
Seriously, lol.

 

[Fenriraga]

Eh, might as well.

Spoiler

-YES! It's about damn time. Really unique looking.
-I was actually on a cruise at the time of E3 and missed the initial reveal. Megaman was the first thing I saw coming back. I ran several laps around the house screaming.
-Alright Sakurai, you got yer joke character in. Pretty damn funny admittely.
-THE FACT THAT I'M READING THE COMIC CROSSOVER RIGHT NOW MAKE SONIC VS MEGAMAN A REALITY HOLY ****
- BEST MARIO CHARACTER HYPE
-TOO BLAND, THEY SAID. WILL NEVER MAKE IT INTO SMASH, THEY SAID. *squeaaaal*
-Welp, that's what I get for choosing Fennekin as my starter.
- Goku Confirmed.
- ohhhh, Mom God. Glad she made it, ****ing loved Kid Icarus
-Wow... Saw this coming a MILE away, and yet despite my distaste for the idea they made him REALLY unique. I'm actually thrilled.
-WELP better get back to finishing this game. Also lolclones.
- STUPID LEAKS, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH MORE ERECT I WOULD BE IF I HADN'T SEEN THIS BEFORE HAND?!
- Not the Bowser Jr I wanted but Clown Car is cool I guess. Also stay in Mario Kart 8 you lame little Koopa pieces of-
-Please have Mario Tornado Please have Mario Tornado please have Mario Tornado YEEEES THANK YOU
- Oh god there's going to be riots...
- Yes. Just... Yes.
- Sweet. Now who else will be DLC...
- WELP time to play Mother 3.
-I should really be mad about 2 Capcom reps. But I'm not. THIS IS DELICIOUS.
WELCOME HOME MY DEAR SWEET BOY

 

[AreJay25]

I'm a little surprised Lucas is lower than Ness

Actually I'm amused all the June DLC guys are in the same row.

I think that's more so the fact that everyone acknowledges that they're good, but they don't really know where to place them atm.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

My reactions
Um, okay?
OHMYGOD! *runs around screaming for an hour*
lol
figures, she's in everything
I'm scared
Fake and gay, no way my favourite Pokemon is in...WHAAAAAT?!?!
Much better than expected
Boring af
OH THANK GOD THEY USED A GOOD DESIGN
Time to get Awakening
Suck it Chrom
Aw yus YWKON
NOOOO I HATE THIS ****
OH COME ON
I literally threw up
What the ****?

 

[Champ Gold]

event hubs is trashThis the current tier list has of august

>All my mains are in the same mid tier

The literal hell?

 

[DarkDedede]

So... this happened.
(http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._spoke_about_his_work_confirms_hes_been_fired)

Hopefully he got approval before doing the interview. If he decided to do the podcast, without informing his employers, then that's a big "no-no."

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The fact he got fired probably means he didn't

Hopefully he got approval before doing the interview. If he decided to do the podcast, without informing his employers, then that's a big "no-no."

 

[Fenriraga]

Yeah, that tier list is pretty damn trashy. I wish the backroom had time to let their own tiers out without the game getting patched every month ;-;

 

[DarkDedede]

The fact he got fired probably means he didn't

That's what I was thinking. If he had received approval, I'm going to assume he should have been given very strict instructions on what he could share, and what topics he couldn't. Then I would think the interviewers would have also been provided instructions on what questions could and couldn't be asked.

 

[Deleted member]

My reactions:

Spoiler

"Huh. I was right; Sakurai changed his mind about Animal Crossing Boy this time."
"Cool. Glad for Mega Man fans."
*Is told by friend while away from home* "What?! Are you ****ing serious?! Of all of the most random character ideas, we get that?" *Sees trailer* "Ok, not quite as bad as I thought it'd be."
"Nice." *Internally crying for Waluigi's inevitable disconfirmation*
"Better late than never. He look rather fun to use; Maybe I'll try him out."
"Uh, ok."
"Well now, Sakurai actually made them look interesting. I'm impressed."
"Ok, here's Palutena."
"And here's Pac-Man. Yay."
*Sees Chrom laying on floor and Lucina's tagline* "Wait, what? WHAT?" *Sees Robin* "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?" *Mind is blown*
*Pays more attention to Dr. Mario* "Oh my God.....Doc's back. He's actually back. Shame Mewtwo didn't join him, but still. My Melee main is BACK!" *The rest* "Dark Pit? Saw it coming when Lucina was revealed. Shulk? Meh. Bowser Jr.? Well, I wasn't expecting another Mario newcomer, but I figured Jr. was a prime candidate. Duck Hunt Dog? I knew I felt he'd make a good joke, but I didn't think it'd actually happen. Lol."
"**** YES! **** YES!"
"Wow, I wasn't expecting him to come back. Wolf must not be that far behind, then."
*Hears about them being found in the data* "That can't be right." *Sees they are in the data* ".......what." *Sees both in action* "Ryu looks interesting, and Roy is just as Roy as ever."

 

[epicmartin7]

So, I guess I'll give my reactions to all the newcomers. I don't exactly remember the E3 2013 direct reveal nor the Little Mac reveal, but I'll try my best.

Spoiler

Newcomer Trailers:
- I initially was surprised by him, but he really grew on me.
- Not really surprised as Mega Man was really close with Nintendo back in the early days of the NES. I was glad people got what they wanted.
-

Sums it up perfectly.
- Found out from a news site before watching the Nintendo Direct. Was glad she got in. I still felt the variety of emotions like thinking Kirby was going to be in Mario Kart.
- I thought he was a neat addition, but he seemed OP when he was first shown off in the trailer. Of course I would be wrong.
- To be honest, I was disappointed because it wasn't someone I recognized. I was a casual then and wasn't really into Smash at that point. He grew on me though and I really think he was a cool addition.
() - Probably one of the most hyped characters from E3 for me. Not only because of the trailer (I still say it's the best trailer ever made in my opinion), but the loads of customization options you can have. Being able to essentially create your own character in Smash is probably one my most favorite additions as I could create characters who had no chance at ever being in Smash Bros.
- I never really played the Kid Icarus games, so I wasn't really hyped that she got in. I still say she was a pretty cool addition and I loved the anime art style that the trailer had.
-

- This trailer really had me confused when I first watched it. For one, I didn't know who these people were (besides Captain Falcon) and I didn't know if Chrom was in or not. After doing research, everything eventually cleared up.
- He was spoiled by the leak, but it didn't really matter. To me he was a pretty cool addition to the roster and added a villain to the Kid Icarus reps.
- He was (again) spoiled by the leak, but I thought his trailer was pretty cool. I actually watched the direct live as I wasn't really tired. I'm glad I watched it though!
- Now suffice to say, I really did enjoy him in the 3DS version. When they showed his trailer, I was fully expecting Duck Hunt Dog. When the trailer ended, I was blown away at how good it was. Bowser Jr. was so BADA** IN THE TRAILER! IT WAS SO HYPE!
- Thought it was a cool trailer. I liked how Mario challenged him in the 8-Bit graphic style. It really suited the trailer. The music in it was also really good.
-Was spoiled by the leak, but hyped through the roof. I've never played Streets, but he seemed to bring something unique to the table with Smash.

Certain Veterans:
- Glad he was back. It would make sense for him to be there along with Mega Man.
- I was SO happy when they separated him from the other pokemon. He really needed his own slot in my opinion. It was really sad to see Squirtle and Ivysaur get cut, but if any of them came back solo it would have to been Charizard.
-HYES!
- I was happy for him to come back as he would be a nice alternative to Mario. Plus I loved to spam his pills in Melee. The sound effect was so satisfying.
- I never really got excited for his reveal during the 50-Facts Direct. It was more that I kind of expected it in a way. It's very hard to explain. I guess I was more excited for others than myself.
- Very great that he came back. It felt like there was an empty hole in the roster and him coming back filled part of the gap. Now all we need is Wolf!
- ROY'S OUR BOY! 'nuff said.

 

[Frisk.]

Yeah, that tier list is pretty damn trashy. I wish the backroom had time to let their own tiers out without the game getting patched every month ;-;

The most accurate tier list "in my opinion" was ZeRo's before the latest patch came out.