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I mean Smash isn't built with competition in mind.

Not in the same way that other fighting game series are.

So it could just as easily come to Sakurai finally solidifying that the unpredictable balance of playing with items is the ''true" way to play it, in the sake of appeasing those who don't want cuts, but also want more newcomers.

Which is fine to me. A party game was his vision as it's artist and I'd rather he appease his own vision than bend over to appease what the competitive community forgets is truly the secondary way to play Smash.
The problem with that is if you throw balance to the wind, you can create scenarios where certain characters have all of the perks while others don't, or certain match-ups are completely skewered in the others favor. The thing with balance is that, even if you're making a party game, you have to be able to keep the whole roster on the same page, one character can't completely dominate other characters, otherwise people will prioritize them over others. With 60+ characters, that gets even harder to balance, and if you don't care about that, then it's easier for that one (or even a few) characters to slip through the cracks.

That's actually why I'm glad that the competitive community has an effect on Sakurai this time around, he's not letting them completely influence his mindset, but we do have a roster that's better balanced in respects to other characters. Characters like Robin feels so much better with the new balance patch on him and I don't think we would've had that if there wasn't some attention paid to balancing out the characters.
 

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I posted this yesterday, but it got lost in the shuffle, so I'm trying again. Hoping someone can help me out here.....

Quick question about Tournament Mode. In case of a Sudden Death, the victory is awarded to the "most active player". What the hell does this mean? The player that's moving around (i.e. running away) the most? I'd imagine in most cases it goes to the player with the most stocks and/or least damage percent (if stocks are the same). I find that, so far, if someone takes the first stock from me..... they simply run around until the time runs out. I was wondering if there was ever a case that I could still win because I was 'most actively' trying to actually play instead of running away. Anyone know how this works, exactly?
 

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I can't imagine that Sakurai or whoever replaces him would try to remove people to go back to basics, but at the same time, there is a point where balance is just going to be ****ing impossible.

He might throw caution to the wind and say that ''Balance is kind of secondary. It's a party game with items after all."

Which would effectively kill the competitive side of the community all together.
As long as the core game is solid enough, "poor balance" isn't going to prevent the competitive community from doing its thing, much less "kill it altogether". Melee's balance is absolutely awful, and we all know the competitive following it has. And as much as Brawl gets **** on, it had a respectable competitive run in spite of Meta Knight completely shutting down any semblance of balance.

I also think people here are exaggerating the "balance issues" that are going to come with the next Smash and the requisite roster increase, especially when patching exists, and the fact Smash 4 is by far the most balanced Smash yet despite its very large roster.
 

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With 60+ characters, that gets even harder to balance, and if you don't care about that, then it's easier for that one (or even a few) characters to slip through the cracks.
:metaknight: Whaaaat naw what are you talking about that never happens pfft
 

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STAND HECTOR!
Spoiler'd as it has the baddie of FE6. Then again that game's a decade old
Okay where did you find this?
And its also awesome, reasons as to why its awesome:
Having Roy use Armads and it summons Hector. It also becomes very heartwarming when you remember that Hector is a close friend of Eliwood, Roy's father, so its like Hector spirit comes to help his old friends to help.
 

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Okay where did you find this?
And its also awesome, reasons as to why its awesome:
Having Roy use Armads and it summons Hector. It also becomes very heartwarming when you remember that Hector is a close friend of Eliwood, Roy's father, so its like Hector spirit comes to help his old friends to help.
I found it on a site called Know Your Meme, they have a Fire Emblem gallery, unfortunately I don't know the source of the custom sprite
 

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I posted this yesterday, but it got lost in the shuffle, so I'm trying again. Hoping someone can help me out here.....

Quick question about Tournament Mode. In case of a Sudden Death, the victory is awarded to the "most active player". What the hell does this mean? The player that's moving around (i.e. running away) the most? I'd imagine in most cases it goes to the player with the most stocks and/or least damage percent (if stocks are the same). I find that, so far, if someone takes the first stock from me..... they simply run around until the time runs out. I was wondering if there was ever a case that I could still win because I was 'most actively' trying to actually play instead of running away. Anyone know how this works, exactly?
I already mentioned this in the tournament thread in the general section.

But it is basically who has dealt the most damage, done the most hits.
Which is why a lot of people are playing very campy and spamming a lot. Yesterday my partner had a match were he got up 170% in his first stock, ko'ed the other player at 70%. On the second stock he had 0% while the other player had around 50% and he lost. Because the other player, who was a Toon Link spamming arrows, got more hits in/dealt more damage.

So the problem is, that this system totally encourages a defensive spamming style. And completely punishes characters that have a hard time dealing with them, or worse, heavy characters that survive long.

It's no wonder you see so many Links and Toon Links in tournament mode.
 

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I can agree with that. lol

Fairy Tail, more like Fanservice Tail.

Thing is, his previous work (Rave Master), as well as the earlier FT chapters didn't have that much fanservice.

Then again, it's not too unexpected because Japan.
imo If the fanservice doesn't hurt the story it's fine.Plus the anime does the fanservice way more than manga has lately.Especially those end credit scences
 
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imo If the fanservice doesn't hurt the story it's fine.Plus the anime does the fanservice way more than manga has lately
That's generally why I don't watch animes that go past 26 episodes or so, amongst other reasons. If they're fanservice heavy, I can usually bear it for about that many episodes in most circumstances if the anime is good enough and doesnt focus entirely on it. Anywhere past that gets tiresome fast.
 
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I was thinking Smash 5 may run on Smash 4's engine, because I actually cannot picture, literally cannot comprehend, graphics being improved beyond the Wii U verison of Smash 4.

It'd be easier to make characters and stages too. Smash 5 may be the last Smash game, but I doubt it.
 

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That's generally why I don't watch animes that go past 26 episodes or so, amongst other reasons. If they're fanservice heavy, I can usually bear it for about that many episodes in most circumstances if the anime is good enough and doesnt focus entirely on it. Anywhere past that gets tiresome fast.
understandable many people dont enjoy fanservice which i get because it can be very annoying to always see **** and ass when your watching something.That's one of the main reasons people dont like Kill la kill.Which is an amazing anime but the fanservice is strong that people cant bare it.Like fairy tail has a bunch of fanservice but it really isn't the focus it just happens..There a bit in the first 2 episode, it tones down for the next 3 picks up again,etc.I say give it a watch
 

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No.

Let's not show it to the K.Rool thread.

In fact I rather dislike characters being mutilated under any context.

@Captain Shwampy remove those images now.

This is not the kind of community we want to build.

Not only it is gross and juvenile but it's downright insulting.

I'm okay with prodding a fanbase on occasion but that's just too much.
There was one member in the Ridley thread drew a picture of Sable's leg being eaten by Ridley, and the mods didn't seem to mind that.
 
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understandable many people dont enjoy fanservice which i get because it can be very annoying to always see **** and *** when your watching something.That's one of the main reasons people dont like Kill la kill.Which is an amazing anime but the fanservice is strong that people cant bare it.Like fairy tail has a bunch of fanservice but it really isn't the focus it just happens..There a bit in the first 2 episode, it tones down for the next 3 picks up again,etc.I say give it a watch
I reccomend you don't. Watch Angel Beats

There was one member in the Ridley thread drew a picture of Sable's leg being eaten by Ridley, and the mods didn't seem to mind that.
That's actually called something that I don't want to say, if used in the context I think it is.
 

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I don't think Sonic would be dropped from Smash unless Sega got bought out by Sony or something.

I could imagine Smash NX being free to play and having the original 12 plus a few newcomers by default but the other character being available on rotations. Frankly though, it'd be less special than the whole game coming at once.

Though if it used the same engine (or tweaked) as WiiU that means the Ice Climbers could return as they said they worked on the WiiU build but not the 3DS one.

But what changes could they make to gameplay? Some way to use Final Smashes without a Smash Ball? Adding a Street Fighter style dash to shut up the "muh wavedash" crowd?
 
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I reccomend you don't. Watch Angel Beats


That's actually called something that I don't want to say, if used in the context I think it is.
i recommened it.Fairy tail is really good anime if you can get past the first 10 episodes.It's a very slow start.But i do agree with that if anyone here hasn't watched give it a watch you shall not be disappointed
 

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You must at least have a preference?
I try to disregard my own wants when making predictions and theories.

My biggest wants for Smash 4 DLC were K. Rool (Who I consider out of the running) and Wolf (Who I think things are looking quite grim for).

Banjo-Kazooie as well, but they're such an unrealistic pipe dream that I usually let them go unmentioned.
 

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Geno, Simon Belmont, Shantae, and Ray (Custom Robo) Are pretty much my primaries, though I have SO many other choices at this point that I think I'll be happy with just about anyone who wins.

I admit having a soft spot for Tails and Phoenix Wright (amongst so many others but these two primarily), but for obvious reasons I don't find either of them likely anymore. At least PXZ2 will give me my Phoenix Fix.
 
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Yeah I'm with Burb here. I tend to try and disregard my own personal wants when it comes to speculating potential characters and trying to be as realistic as I can.

My most wanted character is Professor Layton with Mallo as my most wanted Nintendo character yet even I think that them appearing as Mii Fighter costumes alone would be a miracle in of its own. Especially for Layton.
 
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And just another thing, I forgot how good the GBA can sound when fully used properly.
Ah Memories.
oh the good old days :sadeyes: it was my first DS game i lost it i still remeber when i found the moon jumping glitch it was really fun i really miss this.
whatever happend to the classic Crash bandicoot? someone should save him.
 
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Geno, Simon Belmont, Shantae, and Ray (Custom Robo) Are pretty much my primaries, though I have SO many other choices at this point that I think I'll be happy with just about anyone who wins.

I admit having a soft spot for Tails and Phoenix Wright (amongst so many others but these two primarily), but for obvious reasons I don't find either of them likely anymore. At least PXZ2 will give me my Phoenix Fix.
Weird. Because out of all of those characters, Tails is the one I think is most likely haha.
 

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Weird. Because out of all of those characters, Tails is the one I think is most likely haha.
I guess I sort of see where you're coming from. It's possible to get another Sega rep, I mean Capcom got 2, but I just can't see Sonic himself getting a rep from his series. I don't think the reaction would be pretty haha.
 

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Fun fact about Phoenix Wright #1:
You should all vote "Yes" to him, no matter the context.

Unless uh...you're trying to find him guilty...
Did Wright steal my sandwich?
Is Wright the sexiest man alive?
Is he better than the dentist who took 2 teeth out of me and drilled my cheek?
Is he a member of the Illuminati?
Can he wield the Monado?
Are his stats better than Ike in FE?
 

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I guess I sort of see where you're coming from. It's possible to get another Sega rep, I mean Capcom got 2, but I just can't see Sonic himself getting a rep from his series. I don't think the reaction would be pretty haha.
there would be some kneejerk reactions, but tails is, as far as i can tell, by far the most popular candidate for a second sega "Rep"
most people would just be excited probably. likely in part because of
 
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Did Wright steal my sandwich?
Is Wright the sexiest man alive?
Is he better than the dentist who took 2 teeth out of me and drilled my cheek?
Is he a member of the Illuminati?
Can he wield the Monado?
Are his stats better than Ike in FE?
No.
Top 20.
Probably.
Who knows.
Probably.
Probably not.
 
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