NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[kylexv]

So save the animals won by $12000 at the very last minute.

 

[Scamper52596]

The update might be late for tonight, I'm right now currently eating in a restaurant, do you guys have suggestions who I should add next when I get home?

Well, since you asked. I've been waiting for you to update with Tetra and Toon Zelda for a while now. Just sayin'...

 

[Chrono.]

Are Pachislots really that big of a deal in Japan? I mean look at this Fatal Fury one

 

[Khoru]

I would honestly be pretty upset if Toon Link got a movesets consisting only of WW items.
I think he's fine as it and he doesn't use any items more than the ones he has in Smash in WW anyways.

uh
was that badly worded or have you actually played wind waker
(personally, i think more characters should be along the lines of mega man with the uniqueness in concept of their customs)

 

[Captain Shwampy]

I expected toon link to have Phantom Zelda added into his moveset.

Zelda got it instead tho

 

[pupNapoleon]

And the thing is, it wasn't even close. I'm organizing the data to show you exactly how much of a "suggestion box" this ballot is.
Anyone can see the full data without commentary, translated here.

Zelda and Clones:
Ganondorf - 36 votes
Child Link (Guess I should change that to Young Link) - 8 votes
Zelda - 8 votes
Sheik -8 votes

Young Link was even added before Ganondorf! They both ended up being clones, but still.


Other Nintendo Games:
Falco - 7 votes
Wolf - 4 votes
Mr. Saturn - 18 votes
Poo - 6 votes
Metroid - 6 votes

Retro:
Sukapon - 15 votes
Lip - 9 votes
Foreman Spike - 6 votes
Pit - 5 votes
Ice Climbers - 4 votes


The planned for 64 trio:
Bowser - 169 votes
Dedede - 46 votes
Mewtwo - 35 Votes

I think this clearly shows most amount of votes =/= guaranteed entry.

I do not think you can use a poll wherein the landslide winner of the poll, by over 300 percent, as proof against the winner being chosen.

There is missing information from this, correct?

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

The reviews had me in hysterics and the ending too

Sakurai's smile at the end is the best part.

 

[Champ Gold]

Are Pachislots really that big of a deal in Japan? I mean look at this Fatal Fury one

It's the only thing keeping Sega afloat.

I'm not kidding. Plus it's the alternative to gambling with Japan's bassackwards laws against gambling.

Japan can be ahead and behind the times at the same time.

 

[Kenith]

uh
was that badly worded or have you actually played wind waker
(personally, i think more characters should be along the lines of mega man with the uniqueness in concept of their customs)

I said what I meant and I have played The Wind Waker. I find it rather insulting you think otherwise, honestly.
The Bow, Boomerang and Bombs are the most essential and versatile tools Link uses in The Wind Waker. Besides that, the Deku Leaf and Grappling Hook don't translate nearly as well as those items into Smash.

 

[Starlight_Lily]

I expected toon link to have Phantom Zelda added into his moveset.

Zelda got it instead tho

That was a bit silly of you honestly, since the Phantoms are the one thing in Zelda canon that Zelda call her own. Also I mean that the Phantoms are the one thing from Zelda canon that she has in Smash Bros 4. Also I think most were expecting the Phantom to only show up if Toon Zelda was playable.

 

[PushDustIn]

I do not think you can use a poll wherein the landslide winner of the poll, by over 300 percent, as proof against the winner being chosen.

There is missing information from this, correct?

Bowser was cut very late into Smash 64 development. He would've gotten in Melee regardless.

That's the whole poll. The size has obviously increased with every release!

 

[Chrono.]

Why is the eShop so badly designed that it STILL doesn't have it's own Wii VC section.

You literally have to search for the games yourself.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

You know what. No one ever thought the next two slots could be rounding of the forbidden 7.

For all we know Sakurai could have Dixie and Toon Zelda/ Tetra Planned.
But hey I am just taking a wild guess.
Also I just noticed the Melee cuts came back in order of alphabet
Dr. Mario
Mewtwo.
Roy
Not knowing what's next for DLC is the worst
And by the way can someone tell me what this image means?

@ PushDustIn You may know about this. Was Wolf planned for 64? Or is this just some speculation image that means nothing.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Why is the eShop so badly designed that it STILL doesn't have it's own Wii VC section.

You literally have to search for the games yourself.

Not enough Wii games on VC I suppose.

 

[Khoru]

I said what I meant and I have played The Wind Waker. I find it rather insulting you think otherwise, honestly.
The Bow, Boomerang and Bombs are the most essentially and versatile tools Link uses in The Wind Waker. Besides that, the Deku Leaf and Grappling Hook don't translate nearly as well as those items into Smash.

okay, then it was badly worded
that's a fair point, the way you were saying it just made it sound like you were saying "the only items in WW are those three"

also i don't have money in this game. i think it'd be nice to see a unique TL but his moveset as-is is fine (barring perhaps the final smash)

 

[PushDustIn]

You know what. No one ever thought the next two slots could be rounding of the forbidden 7.

For all we know Sakurai could have Dixie and Toon Zelda/ Tetra Planned.
But hey I am just taking a wild guess.
Also I just noticed the Melee cuts came back in order of alphabet
Dr. Mario
Mewtwo.
Roy
Not knowing what's next for DLC is the worst
And by the way can someone tell me what this image means?

@ PushDustIn You may know about this. Was Wolf planned for 64? Or is this just some speculation image that means nothing.

Wolf in 64 is false information. The guy admitted to making it up. Plus characters wee organized with the original release date. The corners were reservered for unlockables, and they follow their mini order (Luigi. CF, Ness and Jigglypuff). Therefore the Bowser, Dedede and Mewtwo order (being placed under their characters) makes 0 sense.

Check this list for all sourced information. I just added that a lot of Rare trophies were reportedly cut in Melee.

 

[Chrono.]

Not enough Wii games on VC I suppose.

DS and N64 had their own sections from the beginning though, and they started out with 1 (or 2?) games.

Wii right now has 4, and started out with 3.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

You know what. No one ever thought the next two slots could be rounding of the forbidden 7.

For all we know Sakurai could have Dixie and Toon Zelda/ Tetra Planned.
But hey I am just taking a wild guess.
Also I just noticed the Melee cuts came back in order of alphabet
Dr. Mario
Mewtwo.
Roy
Not knowing what's next for DLC is the worst
And by the way can someone tell me what this image means?

@ PushDustIn You may know about this. Was Wolf planned for 64? Or is this just some speculation image that means nothing.

I made many paragraph post here saying how i think the firbidden 7 could be the last two slots in dixie and toon zelda in particular.Makes sense to me

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

DS and N64 had their own sections from the beginning though, and they started out with 1 (or 2?) games.

Wii right now has 4, and started out with 3.

Can't blame me for not being a Wii U eShop enthusiast until recently. I'm just waiting for them to bring the GameCube titles to Virtual Console on Wii U

 

[Champ Gold]

I'm actually miffed that Sakurai would go for Dedede before even Ganondorf, Ridley or even smaller villains like K. Rool and somewhat Wolf

I understand Sakubias but that is straight nepotism in my eyes.

Also do you think or had any shot in 64 if Sakurai and Iwata had the time?

 

[Das Koopa]

about to make a huge post on DLC potentials and gonna post my own pool of characters that I think have a decent chance

 

[PushDustIn]

I'm actually miffed that Sakurai would go for Dedede before even Ganondorf, Ridley or even smaller villains like K. Rool and somewhat Wolf

I understand Sakubias but that is straight nepotism in my eyes.

Also do you think or had any shot in 64 if Sakurai and Iwata had the time?

The game was made by Hal Laboratory. They only added 2 of their fighters in the game (1/4 of the cast I guess). Dedede probably didnt have much work done on him, and was dropped pretty early.Having 1 extra Hal Lab rep, with 2 other new characters would be completely justified.

Also you are forgetting:
Metroid was dead in 1999. No N64 project planned (as far as I know).

Ganondorf barely existed. There was Ganon, but OoT was still in development.

Peach yes.

Zelda no. Zelda was based primarily based on OoT.

 

[Strofirko]

I'm actually miffed that Sakurai would go for Dedede before even Ganondorf, Ridley or even smaller villains like K. Rool and somewhat Wolf

I understand Sakubias but that is straight nepotism in my eyes.

Also do you think or had any shot in 64 if Sakurai and Iwata had the time?

Peach yes,zelda nope.

 

[Huarbolo]

How is IRONFALL Invasion supposed to help in hacking, how am I supposed to change the music in smash 3DS?

 

[Chrono.]

How is IRONFALL Invasion supposed to help in hacking, how am I supposed to change the music in smash 3DS?

We don't know yet, the exploit isn't done.

 

[Champ Gold]

The game was made by Hal Laboratory. They only added 2 of their fighters in the game (1/4 of the cast I guess). Dedede probably didnt have much work done on him, and was dropped pretty early.Having 1 extra Hal Lab rep, with 2 other new characters would be completely justified.

Also you are forgetting:
Metroid was dead in 1999. No N64 project planned (as far as I know).

Ganondorf barely existed. There was Ganon, but OoT was still in development.

Peach yes.

Zelda no. Zelda was based primarily based on OoT.

I could make a case for Zelda and Ganondorf but I'll drop it. I thought OOT was finished and released around the development of Smash 64

But there was a planned Metroid game for the N64, some of its ideas I think went into Prime 1.

 

[Starlight_Lily]

I'm actually miffed that Sakurai would go for Dedede before even Ganondorf, Ridley or even smaller villains like K. Rool and somewhat Wolf

I understand Sakubias but that is straight nepotism in my eyes.

Also do you think or had any shot in 64 if Sakurai and Iwata had the time?

Kirby has always been more important then Metroid and DKC to Nintendo to be frank, since they it draws in more sells worldwide. So its pretty obvious King Dedede would be chosen before Ridley and K Rool. Plus Smash Bros was developed by Hal Labs, it was probably more a company wide biased, since Kirby is made by them. Pls at the time of the N64 Metroid as pretty dormant, so having Samus is good enough

 

[Huarbolo]

I deleted my StreetPass Mii Plaza update Data for this. HOLD ME

 

[Das Koopa]

I've come up with a pool of ballot DLC characters that I expect could happen. My personal guess is that we'll get 2-4 more characters, with me personally leaning towards 3.

-Wolf* pending further information
-Rayman
-Paper Mario
-Dixie Kong
-Chibi-Robo
-Waluigi
-Captain Toad

If there's pre-ballot DLC left, this would be my pool specifically for that:

-Rayman
-Impa
-Wolf

ON WALUIGI

My reasoning on Waluigi is the following; as an AT, he only carries a strict few elements and attacks. He's currently the second most popular Mario character pick at this point in the core Smash community, and his fanbase has done nothing but grow in size since the Brawl era. Sakurai doesn't seem to believe a moveset was viable at either point, but it's fair to say that Rosalina and Jr. also took priority during the development of Smash 4.

I don't reason he's the same as Ridley because Ridley has an entire unique boss moveset and Sakurai has reiterated on multiple occasions since the Brawl era that he doesn't find Ridley to be a viable fighter. As I've mentioned before, if the Prime series plans go forward, I expect Sylux to be a Metroid newcomer in Smash 5.

Sakurai may have been unaware of his popularity and may take steps to include him if he gets enough votes. It's fair to say he may actually have the most votes among Mario characters in the ballot due to casual elements of the fanbase being underestimated and unknown.

Paper Mario vs. Waluigi on a more casual interpretation:

It's possible that Paper Mario won't get enough votes for inclusion based on him being "Mario Three" to more casual elements of the fanbase. Most within the Smash community recognize he would be unique as a newcomer, but name alone might work against him.

Compare to Waluigi, who's defining characteristics are his bizarre quirkiness. He's memetic for it.

Remember; I'm not arguing who'd be a better pick or that one is more unique than the other, or that Paper Mario would just be "Mario three". I'm giving a more casual look. People typically only gauge the support of the Smash community while a lot of non-core Smash community members will be voting in the ballot. This could make a big difference in some instances.

Still, you have to weigh this against what the dev team believes. The dev team would understand Paper Mario is a unique option, and if they wanted to go with another Mario character they might decide on the dark horse candidate over a character they've already passed up on.

Conclusion:

I believe he's the only character who's already an AT that has some sort of chance at being a character. He's in a special spot that isn't as far gone as Ridley and isn't as irrelevant or secondary as 99% of the ATs/bosses in the game.


On Wolf; do any popularity polls exist pre-Smash 4 that might give an idea of what Wolf's popularity was like? I have a theory that Wolf was considered low-priority to be pre-ballot DLC because Sakurai suspected Wolf would do well whereas Lucas and Roy wouldn't. This depends on a few things, making it very flimsy without any evidence backing it. Hence, a huge asterisk on him being post-Ballot. If he's not announced this month/early next month, I'll be convinced his time is up.

ON RAYMAN

To me, Rayman is the only likely Third Party character remaining. He has established broad popularity, and most importantly, he's the only third party character that exists with any popularity that doesn't have some sort of gigantic problem weighing his chances down. I don't think he's especially likely, but I think he has a chance.


Characters I'm positive will not be DLC;

-Inkling
-King K. Rool
-Ridley
-Krystal
-Isaac
-Geno
-Shantae
-Shovel Knight
-Bayonetta
-Banjo-Kazooie
-Pichu
-Young Link
-Ivysaur
-Squirtle
-Chorus Men
-Ice Climber
-Any Konami rep

Reasonings are as follows:

-Relevancy issues in either U.S., Japan, or both. (Shovel Knight, Shantae, Banjo-Kazooie, Isaac, Geno, Krystal, King K. Rool, Ivysaur, Squirtle.)
-Lack of significant popularity. (Young Link, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Chorus Men.)
-Too sexual. (Shantae and Bayonetta.)
-Technical issues. (Ice Climber, probably Chorus Men.)
-Existing content that might be an issue (Ridley, Inkling, King K. Rool, Young Link.)
-Konami being Konami. (Any Konami representation.)

If a had to pick any from that list to be plausible;

-Inkling (Hugely popular, but probably too late.)
-Isaac (May have exceptional niche popularity, but if K. Rool is out, it says a lot on how older characters are discarded. Then again, Dixie may have unexpected popularity for reasons noted in my Waluigi analysis.)

 

[Strofirko]

Playing devil advocate here,but around smash 64 dedede had more potential to a moveset than wolf and ridley together,I even say that his addition 2 games after was very late.

 

[PushDustIn]

I could make a case for Zelda and Ganondorf but I'll drop it. I thought OOT was finished and released around the development of Smash 64

But there was a planned Metroid game for the N64, some of its ideas I think went into Prime 1.

Smash 64 development was based off information that was constantly changing (For OoT). That's why Hyrule Castle's background is so messed up if you compare it to the final release of OoT.

 

[Champ Gold]

Smash 64 development was based off information that was constantly changing (For OoT). That's why Hyrule Castle's background is so messed up if you compare it to the final release of OoT.

The more stuff I hear about Smash 64, I believe that it was just a proof of concept and Melee was real experience since it brought in everything from Arcade, Game & Watch handhelds, NES, SNES and N64.

Also I still believe HAL has some insane balance that we just easily put on Sakurai. I mean Kirby has one rep in Melee but 3 damn stages that he tied up with Mario & Donkey Kong. It's hilarious how has more stages than &. Although that latter has some hint of bias due to the connection with HAL and Creatures, inc

 

[epicmartin7]

How is IRONFALL Invasion supposed to help in hacking, how am I supposed to change the music in smash 3DS?

They haven't really announced how the exploits going to work. More or less just saying which game the exploit is going to use. The Custom Music thing is more of an assumption that I made. It may be possible right now, but I don't really know. What I do know is that I believe StapleButter (Riivolution User) was developing an application to patch custom content into 3DS games at one point. So maybe it is possible now. So essentially, we're in the dark for right now .

 

[Burb]

On Wolf; do any popularity polls exist pre-Smash 4 that might give an idea of what Wolf's popularity was like? I have a theory that Wolf was considered low-priority to be pre-ballot DLC because Sakurai suspected Wolf would do well whereas Lucas and Roy wouldn't. This depends on a few things, making it very flimsy without any evidence backing it. Hence, a huge asterisk on him being post-Ballot. If he's not announced this month/early next month, I'll be convinced his time is up.

Do you mean pre-Brawl? Because I don't think there were any specific polls about veterans returning before SSB4. For the most part, everyone just assumed the majority would be back, and the only ones who were frequently labeled as being in danger were Toon Link, Lucario, Ike, and Pokemon Trainer (occasionally Lucas, Sheik, and either Falco or Wolf). The majority even seemed positive Snake would be back up until the last month or so before release.

The only thing we can really judge based off was pre-Brawl and the SSB4 DLC speculation period between Mewtwo's confirmation and the Direct where Lucas was finally confirmed.

Pre-Brawl, I recall Lucas not being particularly highly requested, but was a common prediction due to the fact that he almost made it into Melee. Wolf had a rivalry with Krystal very reminiscent of the one from SSB4 speculation between K. Rool and Dixie. I think Krystal was actually slightly more requested than Wolf.....at the very least, her fanbase was far more vocal.

During the SSB4 DLC days, Lucas and Wolf were basically in even demand, and both were more wanted than Roy.

The more stuff I hear about Smash 64, I believe that it was just a proof of concept and Melee was real experience since it brought in everything from Arcade, Game & Watch handhelds, NES, SNES and N64.

I think it's more that SSB64 was a low budget side game that probably performed better than expected, allowing them to go all out on the sequel.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Kirby has always been more important then DKC

No.

Go look at sales figures.

DKC outsells Kirby games so much it's ridiculous.

 

[Das Koopa]

I'm talking about post-Brawl release and the years following prior to Smash 4's release, basically. If Wolf was the most popular by a mile, I figured be put more priority into re-adding lesser-wanted vets that had niche fanbases since the Ballot would've done Wolf's work. I'm not totally sure on Wolf's overall popularity.

 

[Burb]

I'm talking about post-Brawl release and the years following prior to Smash 4's release, basically.

Yeah, there's no polls about veteran demand in between Brawl and Smash 4, unless it's for Brawl cuts to return (in which case, the only ones I recall being popular at all were Mewtwo and Roy).

 

[Das Koopa]

Yeah, there's no polls about veteran demand in between Brawl and Smash 4, unless it's for Brawl cuts to return.

aight

Then my conclusion is that either Wolf is in development already for August/September or he's been dropped entirely for unknown reasons.

 

[Champ Gold]

aight

Then my conclusion is that either Wolf is in development already for August/September or he's been dropped entirely for unknown reasons.

Despite my want for him back just for a complete roster, I always feel like he was kinda expendable as a fighter. He could either stay or go.

While he had advantages over the likes of &, he was probably a low priority character and wasn't super highly requested back like &.

I feel like him being cut from the game NOW is hurtful due to & being back but is ignored.

 

[BluePikmin11]

New Update:

* Hanafuda character representation:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll376424x31d74C22-14

* Impa:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll376418x8d4c481F-14

* Meowth:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll376423xEc494537-14

* Phoenix Wright:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll376420x0D48a41e-14

Go vote!