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Many people outside Japan consider Startropics one of Nintendo's classic franchises, a bit like Punch Out!. The two games I have seen and played are really good games.
Short and quick, since I'm leaving.
I think @ shinhed-echi shinhed-echi would explain it better than me.
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Well... what I can say...?
1-) Yes, the games ARE amazing. People should give them a chance. I've heard some people criticize Smash Bros for not mentioning them (after accidentally finding out, playing, and liking the series).

2-) Yes, I consider StarTropics a classic Nintendo series. The only reason it's not considered such is because Nintendo only praises and advertises Japanese games (maybe some people in NoA and NoE care, but nobody influential at least).
Coincidence? By now, every Nintendo game has made one cameo or two between Warioware, NES remix, Smash Bros, etc, but ST is always forgotten, and it looks like it's done on purpose.
3-) Japan's reactions to the most western character in the roster :4littlemac: (created by the same studio as StarTropics) was embarrasingly childish. And this is just because they don't know him too well. This backlash alone puts any other character relatively popular in the west (alone) in a pretty bad place (I don't think Ridley or K.Rool count as western). So I don't think that, as long as Sakurai is in charge, he'll allow Mike to get in the game. Heck... Game 4-5 in the franchise, and not a single song, stage, sticker, or trophy from StarTropics yet. (Only a mention in the non-japanese version of Brawl's Chronicles section).
I've pretty much abandoned all hope for Smash. But not hope for a revival. I still believe there's a chance there, though...
Maybe Genyo Takeda who's currently head of Nintendo could at least try to promote its western baby? I don't know... I'm just rambling at this point. :facepalm:
... And again, the games are amazing. They're like top-down Zelda-platformers.
 
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Some rules that I didn't apply when making the roster to give more freedom in choices:
1. Region-exclusives
2. Not allowing other characters that didn't appear on Nintendo consoles.
3. Not allowing non-videogame characters. (Goku is the only exception)

Some things that came to mind when I was making the roster:
1. Character rivalries. (Agumon vs. Pikachu vs. Jibanyan or Akira vs. Ryu vs. Heihachi)
2. Bringing in as many big third-party icons as possible.
3. Bringing in as many third-party characters that have a notably close relationship with Nintendo as possible. (Layton, Phoenix Wright, Scribblenauts, Cave Story)
4. Bringing back every veteran in the game.
5. Adding Nintendo characters whose game was critically praised by many. (Wonderful 101, Elite Beat Agents, Fire Emblem Fates)
6. Adding many very popular characters from established franchises whose importance in the main series is large and consistent. (Toad, Bandanna Dee, Meowth) (No spin-off characters like Waluigi or Daisy)
7. Completely filling in representation that match the success of the established franchise or represent the whole entity of the franchise. (Ninten, Ness, Lucas representing the whole Mother trilogy; Diddy, DK, Dixie, Cranky, K. Rool filling in the whole cast of DKC; Fox, Falco, Slippy Toad, Peppy, Wolf representing the whole Star Fox crew)
8. Historical importance. (Jumpman and Hanafuda character)
9. System representation. (Virtual Boy with Harry the Teleroboxer, DS with many of the Touch generation franchises like Brain Age, Nintendogs, Big Brain Academy, Gameboy with Prince Sable and Muddy Mole)
10. Adding in as many classic (retro) Nintendo characters as possible. (Balloon Fighter, Donbe and Hikari, Takamaru)
11. Representing each Pokemon generation. (Yeah I know. :L)
12. Adding as many popular Nintendo franchises as possible. (Pilotwings, Splatoon, Rhythm Heaven, Brain Age, Nintendogs)

Hope that clears things up.
 
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shinhed-echi said:
Well... what I can say...?
1-) Yes, the games ARE amazing. People should give them a chance. I've heard some people criticize Smash Bros for not mentioning them (after accidentally finding out, playing, and liking the series).

2-) Yes, I consider StarTropics a classic Nintendo series. The only reason it's not considered such is because Nintendo only praises and advertises Japanese games (maybe some people in NoA and NoE care, but nobody influential at least).
Coincidence? By now, every Nintendo game has made one cameo or two between Warioware, NES remix, Smash Bros, etc, but ST is always forgotten, and it looks like it's done on purpose.
3-) Japan's reactions to the most western character in the roster :4littlemac: (created by the same studio as StarTropics) was embarrasingly childish. And this is just because they don't know him too well. This backlash alone puts any other character relatively popular in the west (alone) in a pretty bad place (I don't think Ridley or K.Rool count as western). So I don't think that, as long as Sakurai is in charge, he'll allow Mike to get in the game. Heck... Game 4-5 in the franchise, and not a single song, stage, sticker, or trophy from StarTropics yet. (Only a mention in the non-japanese version of Brawl's Chronicles section).
I've pretty much abandoned all hope for Smash. But not hope for a revival. I still believe there's a chance there, though...
Maybe Genyo Takeda who's currently head of Nintendo could at least try to promote its western baby? I don't know... I'm just rambling at this point. :facepalm:
... And again, the games are amazing. They're like top-down Zelda-platformers.
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Plus it doesn't help that the other only reference to Startropics is from Captain Rainbow, a game that is Japan exclusive and won't ever be ported to the West anytime soon unless Nintendo caves in like with Sin & Punishment (another classic Nintendo series that was related to the N64 and cult popularity with the release of the game on VC.

Either Nintendo hates Startropics (which is stupid since Takeda is still with the company) or it's not on their list of priorities which hurts
 
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Plus it doesn't help that the other only reference to Startropics is from Captain Rainbow, a game that is Japan exclusive and won't ever be ported to the West anytime soon unless Nintendo caves in like with Sin & Punishment (another classic Nintendo series that was related to the N64 and cult popularity with the release of the game on VC.

Either Nintendo hates Startropics (which is stupid since Takeda is still with the company) or it's not on their list of priorities which hurts
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True, but I'm 100% sure (and I hope you can prove me wrong... please?) that there is no mention of it in Captain Rainbow.
And I know this because I was REALLY upset that in a game that is all about underrated games and characters, islands, and yoyos, StarTropics was nowhere to be seen.

The last cameo that I know of was in Pilotwings 64.

No less, another game made by Genyo Takeda.

Btw, I heard Captain Rainbow flopped hard, I don't think they'll be making a VC version of it anytime soon.
 
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I saw some Captain Rainbow gameplay, it looked.... weird and kinda dull too but I like the music.
 
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BluePikmin11 said:
Some rules that I didn't apply when making the roster to give more freedom in choices:
1. Region-exclusives
2. Not allowing other characters that didn't appear on Nintendo consoles.
3. Not allowing non-videogame characters. (Goku is the only exception)

Some things that came to mind when I was making the roster:
1. Character rivalries. (Agumon vs. Pikachu vs. Jibanyan or Akira vs. Ryu vs. Heihachi)
2. Bringing in as many big third-party icons as possible.
3. Bringing in as many third-party characters that have a notably close relationship with Nintendo as possible. (Layton, Phoenix Wright, Scribblenauts, Cave Story)
4. Bringing back every veteran in the game.
5. Adding Nintendo characters whose game was critically praised by many. (Wonderful 101, Elite Beat Agents, Fire Emblem Fates)
6. Adding many very popular characters from established franchises whose importance in the main series is large and consistent. (Toad, Bandanna Dee, Meowth) (No spin-off characters like Waluigi or Daisy)
7. Completely filling in representation that match the success of the established franchise or represent the whole entity of the franchise. (Ninten, Ness, Lucas representing the whole Mother trilogy; Diddy, DK, Dixie, Cranky, K. Rool filling in the whole cast of DKC; Fox, Falco, Slippy Toad, Peppy, Wolf representing the whole Star Fox crew)
8. Historical importance. (Jumpman and Hanafuda character)
9. System representation. (Virtual Boy with Harry the Teleroboxer, DS with many of the Touch generation franchises like Brain Age, Nintendogs, Big Brain Academy, Gameboy with Prince Sable and Muddy Mole)
10. Adding in as many classic (retro) Nintendo characters as possible. (Balloon Fighter, Donbe and Hikari, Takamaru)
11. Representing each Pokemon generation. (Yeah I know. :L)
12. Adding as many popular Nintendo franchises as possible. (Pilotwings, Splatoon, Rhythm Heaven, Brain Age, Nintendogs)

Hope that clears things up.
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see, the whole thing with "adding as many <x> as possible" is what naoshi was talking about with quantity over quality
there are characters that were added purely for the sake of "repping"
the thing with non-nintendo third-parties just makes no sense. super smash bros, surprising as this may be, is a game about nintendo's history. not microsoft's, not sony's, not shueisha's. there are fifty-three third party characters there. 173 total. almost a third of this roster is devoted to third-party characters.

for the record, this is what my own ridiculous fanservice roster looks like. tails can be subbed for quote, maybe. i'm not trying to turn this into an "i'm right and you're wrong" thing, though.
 
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I don't care what anyone says, Colors and Generations were incredible. :)

Everytime I play either of them, I can't stop myself until I beat them. Just like the classics!
 
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Khoru said:
see, the whole thing with "adding as many <x> as possible" is what naoshi was talking about with quantity over quality
there are characters that were added purely for the sake of "repping"
the thing with non-nintendo third-parties just makes no sense. super smash bros, surprising as this may be, is a game about nintendo's history. not microsoft's, not sony's, not shueisha's. there are fifty-three third party characters there. 173 total. almost a third of this roster is devoted to third-party characters.

for the record, this is what my own ridiculous fanservice roster looks like. tails can be subbed for quote, maybe. i'm not trying to turn this into an "i'm right and you're wrong" thing, though.
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Unrelated, but can you send me some of those roster icons?
I'd like the ones for Wrestler and Reporter, Rayman, Takamaru, Ridley, Captain Toad, Anna, and Pichu.
If you don't mind. Searching the Roster Maker thread is hell.
Also I don't have Roy and Ryu's official art.
 
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Game Trailers' response to Sonic's tweet.

"In order to unlock our response to this burn, you must first get the high score in a bunch of pointless challenge rooms."

Is this suppose to be a jab at Sonic Generations? ...I'm kind of certain they don't remember the game very well.
 
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KenithTheGatherer said:
Unrelated, but can you send me some of those roster icons?
I'd like the ones for Wrestler and Reporter, Rayman, Takamaru, Ridley, Captain Toad, Anna, and Pichu.
If you don't mind. Searching the Roster Maker thread is hell.
Also I don't have Roy and Ryu's official art.
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i think i actually made most of those
give me a while, i've been meaning to do one for the new bomberman too
 
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Naoshi said:
Game Trailers' response to Sonic's tweet.
"In order to unlock our response to this burn, you must first get the high score in a bunch of pointless challenge rooms."
Is this suppose to be a jab at Sonic Generations? ...I'm kind of certain they don't remember the game very well.
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This isn't really applicable to any Sonic game I know.
What a fail, ha ha. Those guys don't know anything.
 
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shinhed-echi said:
I don't care what anyone says, Colors and Generations were incredible. :)

Everytime I play either of them, I can't stop myself until I beat them. Just like the classics!
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Understood. My only gripe with Generations was the final boss and Classic Planet Wisp AKA Spikes: The Level.

Naoshi said:
Game Trailers' response to Sonic's tweet.

"In order to unlock our response to this burn, you must first get the high score in a bunch of pointless challenge rooms."

Is this suppose to be a jab at Sonic Generations? ...I'm kind of certain they don't remember the game very well.
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It technically is because you need to do some challenges to unlock levels and boss fights, not ALL of them since there are challenges I haven't done yet
 
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shinhed-echi said:
I don't care what anyone says, Colors and Generations were incredible. :)

Everytime I play either of them, I can't stop myself until I beat them. Just like the classics!
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Sonic Colors is actually one of my favorite games of all times, and definitely my favorite Sonic game.
Sonic Generations would be, but I think they should have cut the challenges for a couple extra levels.
 
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I actually got in an argument with one of my friends about Generations, he claimed the game was bad because it was just a bunch of past Sonic levels in one game.
Though he also did say he would prefer to watch Pixels over watching Wreck-It Ralph so I didn't even care :^)
EDIT: What? How's this a double post? I just received an alert about a post ://
 
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voted Yes to midna and Chun Li and no to the other.

I love Generations and, other than Heroes, it's the only sonic game I like. with the exception with the last 2 bosses and the Planet Wisp levels (blegh) I loved everything. Especially the Highway level

I really need to play Colors :/
 
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KenithTheGatherer said:
Sonic Colors is actually one of my favorite games of all times, and definitely my favorite Sonic game.
Sonic Generations would be, but I think they should have cut the challenges for a couple extra levels.
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Completely agree! Maybe if there had been Act 3 and Act 4, not to mention a classic and modern boss fight for every era, they could have skipped the challenges. (Some were fun, though).

Wonder if I'm the only one who expected the 3DS version to have Game Gear, Advance, and Rush levels instead of the ones we got... ñ_ñU
 
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The portable Sonic games arguably have a worse track record than the console ones now that I think about it lol
 
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It's funny how we're all still debating this thing, at least at this point in time.
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I believe the only reason we're debating it, even to this day, is because it's so mysterious. No one knew who the source/person was, it had characters that never came to fruition (although it predicted the majority of them correctly) and ended on a dime. It's essentially a one of a kind leak that has never really happened in the community before.
It would be cool to learn more about it and explain many of the mysteries it has caused. I for one would like to see the possible leaker to reach out one day/find the leaker and lay this whole thing to rest (I highly doubt it will happen though).
 
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