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probably just a placeholder
in awakening hair color was determined by the father and the kid was by the mother (or something like that)
this time it's the opposite
Pretty much. After all, there were the screenshots of Not!Tharja with Orochi's hair color(Purple hair).
But honestly, everybody's reaction to the features, that are Optional and have no effect on gameplay or how you play, is laughable. You guys act like the mafia or government has guns all around your head and they are forcing you to do those things. Like I said, Xenoblade had you able to strip-down the characters and have them talk to each other while they were stripped. This really isn't any different.
 

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Pretty much. After all, there were the screenshots of Not!Tharja with Orochi's hair color(Purple hair).
But honestly, everybody's reaction to the features, that are Optional and have no effect on gameplay or how you play, is laughable. You guys act like the mafia or government has guns all around your head and they are forcing you to do those things. Like I said, Xenoblade had you able to strip-down the characters and have them talk to each other while they were stripped. This really isn't any different.
What on earth are you even going on about?

Who's even acting like that?

Perhaps just maybe people don't feel comfortable with these features and think it's kinda creepy and blatantly pandering?

This whole "THIS IS OPTIONAL" argument is annoying. I've seen that thrown around so much.
 
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Eh, they'll most likely sweep it under the rug. Like Vivian in Paper Mario: TTYD.
yeah, it's at least something.
still leaves the door open for people going "oh she's a trap/t*****/whatever" but
 
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I don't know why they don't just dump a ton of NES, SNES, and N64 games on the Virtual Console. There's zero reason that 1st/2nd party games on the Wii Virtual Console aren't for sale for the Wii U Virtual Console. They've had 3+ years to prepare to do this, and they clearly didn't.

Literally every Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Star Fox, Yoshi, Wario Land, Wario Ware, Pilotwings, F-Zero, etc. game from that era should be on the Virtual Console. There's no excuse not to.
The trickling of games (that are less in number anyway) is very frustrating. We should have every single 1st/2nd party games that doesn't face licensing issues available by now on the NES, SNES, N64, and Game Boy. It doesn't help that outside of Japan, third-party support is weak in comparison to the Wii Virtual Console. I would like to remind everyone that outside of Japan, Square Enix has not brought a single game on the Virtual Console.
It's the problem of not having a unified and monitored system. I personally love open platforms, and I much prefer Android to IoS because of this. It can, however, lead to almost unlimited shovelware.

It's one of the reasons dedicated video game consoles are great ideas.

Let's not forget that this little image:



practically saved the video game industry at one point.
The NES and SNES had a lot of shovelware. The Seal of Quality only ensured that the game wasn't totally broken. Many of the worst games on the NES had it.
So the PC version of Arkham Knight came out today and... it's basically unplayable. Which, understandably, has a lot of people angry.

But of course things got worse when one of the PR employees of WB posted this.



Because why should we expect games to work at lunch right?
I already had little interest in Arkham Knight, but this seals the deal in me not ever getting the game. Games should be working on launch day without significant issues so garbage like this is unacceptable.

That being said, I actually was excited for Arkham Asylum and Arkham City but I never got them. So I have a question:
- Does Arkham Asylum pull any shady moves on customers? Like, were content held back for DLC or something like that?
- With Arkham City, does it still have online passes? I do not buy games with online passes and I wanted to know if it was gone like it was with Mortal Kombat 9 (which I don't have btw).
 

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Pretty much. After all, there were the screenshots of Not!Tharja with Orochi's hair color(Purple hair).
But honestly, everybody's reaction to the features, that are Optional and have no effect on gameplay or how you play, is laughable. You guys act like the mafia or government has guns all around your head and they are forcing you to do those things. Like I said, Xenoblade had you able to strip-down the characters and have them talk to each other while they were stripped. This really isn't any different.
Just because it's optional and has precedence doesn't make it any less weird. :S
 

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I wonder how many Nowis are gonna be in the game. Just because you SAY she's actually hundereds of years old doesn't make it ok.
 

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Just because it's optional and has precedence doesn't make it any less weird. :S
It's perfectly in place. This was my vision of a "perfect" Fire Emblem.

Who wants me to rub their face? After that, I can chase you out the hot spring!
 

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The NES and SNES had a lot of shovelware. The Seal of Quality only ensured that the game wasn't totally broken. Many of the worst games on the NES had it.
Oh, I know about NES/SNES shovelware. I was around for it, after all.

The Nintendo Seal of Quality is representative of accountability, and that was my original point. Mobile platforms are open and there is no accountability whatsoever. The NES was very much a closed system, the 10NES lockout chip technology made it so that, excluding a few later day bootlegs and some excellent Tengen games, Nintendo had complete control over what was released on their consoles. True, the NTSC was largely a marketing gimmick to help ease consumer worries after the Video game crash of 1983, but it worked. It was a promise by Nintendo that the games you were about to purchase were not, as you put it, "totally broken." Consumers ate it up.
 
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What on earth are you even going on about?

Who's even acting like that?
That was a bit excessive, I'll admit. But really, on this page now, there are people going "I don't know anymore." or "Might as well be "Fire Emblem: Fan service." It's still silly considering they are only going on about these specific features and not on the other stuff, like the actual gameplay, story, the characters, etc.
I will apologize for the mafia/government bit. That was a moment of "trying to find something fitting, but end up finding something that doesn't fit too well." I swear, whenever I want to find a saying or words that fits something, I tend to find things that aren't really fitting.

Perhaps just maybe people don't feel comfortable with these features and think it's kinda creepy and blatantly pandering?

This whole "THIS IS OPTIONAL" argument is annoying. I've seen that thrown around so much.
I can understand about people being uncomfortable with it. But people really shouldn't let it ruin the experience of the whole game. There are other things besides these fanservice bits. Nobody let Xenoblade's swimsuits or Heart-to-Heart conversations ruin the story or gameplay of the game.
For Fates, we don't even have a clue on the story and all the details on the gameplay. Heck, by what I've been hearing, people have really been dying a lot on Black Kingdom. If the actual game is good, then I certainly won't let the weird stuff or fanservice ruin it for me. Gameplay>Story>Fansevice. Ain't no fanservice gonna ruin my funservice.
 
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For whatever reason, I'm just not that interested in the new Fire Emblem. I liked Awakening quite a bit, but Fates doesn't do much for me.
 
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I wonder how many Nowis are gonna be in the game. Just because you SAY she's actually hundereds of years old doesn't make it ok.
....What's wrong about it? Nowi is 3000 years old. Yeah, her appearance is a bit skin showing, but it matches her outgoing and fun personality perfectly. Some pairings like Gregor are a bit weird due to the fact that Nowi's real playful and Gregor's physical appearance, but since there's Ricken, Donnel, and the young Robin build it balances out.
 

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....What's wrong about it? Nowi is 3000 years old. Yeah, her appearance is a bit skin showing, but it matches her outgoing and fun personality perfectly. Some pairings like Gregor are a bit weird due to the fact that Nowi's real playful and Gregor's physical appearance, but since there's Ricken, Donnel, and the young Robin build it balances out.
 

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I have an honest question guys?

You your able to undress your characters, right? We sure those models aren't just for the hotspring side thing and nothing else?
 

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That was a bit excessive, I'll admit. But really, on this page now, there are people going "I don't know anymore." or "Might as well be "Fire Emblem: Fan service." It's still silly considering they are only going on about these specific features and not on the other stuff, like the actual gameplay, story, the characters, etc.


I can understand about people being uncomfortable with it. But people really shouldn't let it ruin the experience of the whole game. There are other things besides these fanservice bits. Nobody let Xenoblade's swimsuits or Heart-to-Heart conversations ruin the story or gameplay of the game.
For Fates, we don't even have a clue on the story and all the details on the gameplay. Heck, by what I've been hearing, people have really been dying a lot on Black Kingdom. If the actual game is good, then I certainly won't let the weird stuff or fanservice ruin it for me. Gameplay>Story>Fansevice. Ain't no fanservice gonna ruin my funservice.
Fanservicy/otaku pander just makes it harder for me to take a game seriously. I honestly really don't think this kind of thing fits in the FE games. And I'm not happy with the direction the series is starting to take regarding that. It kind of makes the experience awkward to me.

I can handle some fanservice, but when it gets to that point (admittedly, I've seen far worse than FE Fates, but who's to say it won't get worse in the next game?), I become less and less interested in the game.

You still want to play the game and ignore the fanservice? More power to you, but I think it's a little silly to expect sexual fanservice to not alienate some people.

....What's wrong about it? Nowi is 3000 years old. Yeah, her appearance is a bit skin showing, but it matches her outgoing and fun personality perfectly. Some pairings like Gregor are a bit weird due to the fact that Nowi's real playful and Gregor's physical appearance, but since there's Ricken, Donnel, and the young Robin build it balances out.
Her design comes across as creepy lolicon pandering. That is my issue with her. I don't really mind her being a 3000 year old looking like a kid, but that outfit... urgh

I have an honest question guys?

You your able to undress your characters, right? We sure those models aren't just for the hotspring side thing and nothing else?
Going by the screenshots, it took place in a building.
 
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What are your guys 10 favorite games?
1. metroid prime
2. mother 3
3. metroid prime 2
4. a link between worlds
5. shovel knight
6. ssb4
7. the wind waker
8. katamari damacy/we <3 katamari
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10. splatoon

also i really like knytt underground and some of the touhous but i haven't played those so
 
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Not in order:
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Pokemon Gold & Silver
Mega Man 2
Super Smash Bros Melee
Super Mario 64
Saints Row IV
Ace Attorney Trials & Tribulations
Metal Gear Rising
EarthBound
Trying to remember what was the last game...

Outfit is fine by me. You expect her to be a dragon wearing armor that weighs twice the amount she does? There is Tiki, but still.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
 
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I'm not usually one to pick out favorites, so it's really hard for me to come up with a list of my top 10 games lol.
 

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The criticism is not the lack of armor...
It's about her design, and what she's wearing I think. Her design is fine by me since it fits her personality.

Or I'm completely lost. I might have a brainfart. :drflip:

EDIT: I don't pay attention to lolicons/ don't know much about them so her outfit's still fine w/ me.
 
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It's about her design, and what she's wearing I think. Her design is fine by me since it fits her personality.

Or I'm completely lost. I might have a brainfart. :drflip:
Her design is way too skimpy for a child-like character. It comes across as weird pandering.
 
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it's a character with the appearance of a sub-10yo wearing lingerie
 

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Fanservicy/otaku pander just makes it harder for me to take a game seriously. I honestly really don't think this kind of thing fits in the FE games. And I'm not happy with the direction the series is starting to take regarding that. It kind of makes the experience awkward to me.

I can handle some fanservice, but when it gets to that point (admittedly, I've seen far worse than FE Fates, but who's to say it won't get worse in the next game?), I become less and less interested in the game.

You still want to play the game and ignore the fanservice? More power to you, but I think it's a little silly to expect sexual fanservice to not alienate some people.
Probably has to do with me looking at things differently. I mean, if such fanservice was present in the main story, of course I'd be facepalming and groaning at the fanservice being shown. But I don't really seem to have a problem with anything that's optional. If such fanservice isn't important, I'd be like, "Oh look. Fanservice. Moving on." compared to such fanservice forcing itself to be shown and I'm like, "Good lord, stop with the fanservice already and continue on already."
It's a lot like when I kept dying in that one part of Tales of Vesperia and I almost went frickin' crazy at not being able to skip the cutscenes. Also, Enchanted Arms and it's "glorious" voice acting. So really, my only concern has always been about the main game and not the optional stuff. If Fates turns out to be great both in story and gameplay, awesome.
It's almost like my reaction to playable characters that I wasn't interested in for Smash. Everybody complains about the new characters. I just look at it and go, "Huh. Cool, another character I can learn about."

Edit: *MASSIVE SPOILERS for Fates*

Well, I didn't need that sleep anyway.
 
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Her design is way too skimpy for a child-like character. It comes across as weird pandering.
Her boots take up half of her body + her shorts. The only skin that's showing is her torso, but overall it matches who Nowi is. Skimpy means short and revealing, so I guess it's true for her top piece, but that's about it. I mean, she does turn into a dragon, and half the time she is one, so I don't see what's the problem about her outfit.


But I am HORRIBLY biased towards Nowi and Nah because they are my favorite characters in Awakening and I would never let my Avatar skip them in rating.
 

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Can we talk about something else? It's weird, let's move on :)

Top five favorite shoes to eat?
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2. Air Jordan
3. Crocs (once you get past the rubber, especially when it's melted, it's nice and gooey inside)
4. Wingtips (great with an '87 Chardonnay)
5. Sandals (has a lot less carbs and is a generally lighter meal)
 

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Going by the screenshots, it took place in a building.
That scene could easily be something that happens before they get into the hot spring, but with that said I'e been wrong before.

Also I think the whole fanservice thing might be a case of cultural double standard, in Japan while they are more private with their relationships, they're a lot more honest and fourth coming about sexuality the U.S.A is. You may want to see how NoA handles the translation for Fates, to see if it fits in more with U.S.A's culture.

(A small note I could be wrong about in the above paragraph, I believe I maybe correct from some of the Japanese culture I've seen and studied, but I'm not Japanese, so I don't have a full understanding of its culture.)

Funny thing while Vivian's transgender was hidden in the U.S.A's version of The Thousand Year Door, she kept in the German version apparently.

I really do hope they allow for gay marriage, since it is Intelligent System's who gave us Heather, Nintendo's first 100% gay female, as well as giving us Vivian. Although some localisation teams chose to hide Heather being gay and Vivian's transgender.
 
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What are your guys 10 favorite games?
oh this is going to be though except for the first one :)

1: TTYD, just tl;dr this because I could write a whole essay on it. it is basically the game that perfectly suited every single tastes i had and tbh, I'm VERY picky. This game mind blew me an outstanding amount of time even after first playthorugh (even after like 4 playthrough I still learned stuff). To me, this game is one of the perfect example of what happens when you put a lot of your heart into a project: it can just become amazing.

2: SSBM: Actually, i never thought I would find any game that would top my experience with SSBM, but it;s because I didn't got as much fascinated by SSBM as much as I got for TTYD. Basically, it;s simple, if I never played ssbm, I didn't even exist here and I'm not even writing this post. This is the game that made video game a passion for me, there's a very long story for that, but the point was once I was finally able to read English, I was watching videos explaining the origin of most of the stuff the game has....I was astonished to realised how much diversity was expressed into this game. What mind blew me the most is it made me realised that this game was intended to have memorable experience, before, I was thinking games were just a way to pass time. It was my first step to get that in reality, video games are art.

These are the 2 obvious one now the rest is really going to be weird, there;s quite a lot of games i loved.

3: Earthbound: this was my final step to get that games are art. it's outstanding how much you can feel after years how this game express some truth IRL. I also really loved how this game perfectly contrasts with the modern vision: they didn;t go for the graphics at first priority, they go through the charms of the game and how it connects witht he player. The end left me speechless because it was genius.

4: Zelda The wind waker: Did I said I love green and simple artstyle that says a lot? I ADORED this artstyle, seriously, I loved the artstyle so much that tbh, I wasn't much annoyed by the long sea sections. It's happiness to my eyes :)

5: Super mario Sunshine: idk, You migth see in my reviews soemtime mentioning a thing that I call "sunshine effect", that's because of this game. This is the tyope of game that the visuals are so lively you jsut want to run in delfino plaza while going from roof to roof FOR ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS REASONS!!!! You just want to adore the happy feel of this vacation feel more so much that you do pointless stuff and the best thing is that you're completely aware of it, you jsut do it for the sake of doing it. The whole game despite being rushed at one point was memorable because of this feel.

6: The whole metroid prime series: I include them all because I love them for very similar reasons: it;s fps that isn;t working like those modern one. it focusses a lot more on the exploration and most importantly, the fact you're alone. I actually LOVE to feel alone IRL and exploring stuff with the fps view was fantastic.

7: Kirby Air ride: Yes, it;s city trial, that one game that you jsut become addictive only because of the RNG. It's also worth to mention that I applaud the completely screwing up the racing mechanic to make it stupidly simple and just works.

8: Super Paper Mario: this game is underrated. I know, it has some annoying flaws, but man, I love this game and it';s freaking humor. Really, 3-4 is something I will always mention because of how much that moment is imo the most hilarious of the series. The artstyle is just.....THE FREAKING CLOUD ON THE OVERTHERE....look, I legit feel that I want to have my face in these clouds, they are that lovely. And I need to mention how I found the core gameplay to be genius, I suck at 2d mario platformer except this game because of this.

9: Donkey kong 64: This is the very fist video game I played of my life, I replayed it and I realised how good this game was. It's really the feel you're so small in a giant level, it feels like sandbox with kids :) not to mention the absurd amount of collectible which in the end, I loved these. Some deep nostalgia part were left after 10 years when I replayed it again and I really think it';s a proof of how much of an awesome game this is.

10: Paper Mario (n64): It's not because I don;t like it, it's just that the main changes of TTYD is what I loved the msot of the series, i actually love this game still. i know the n64 limitation hindered the game to be like TTYD, but really, the fact that this came out on the n64 is actually remarkable. It's also an unique entry int he series by making you slow down your pace to better appreciate the design. It is memorable in that way.


That was hard, but I finally got thorugh :)
 
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I really do hope they allow for gay marriage, since it is Intelligent System's who gave us Heather, Nintendo's first 100% gay female, as well as giving us Vivian. Although some localisation teams chose the Heather being gay and Vivian's transgender.
there's something called an A+ support? it's between two people of the same gender and i think you can only have one
also kamui can't do A+ supports.

have this it's even worse
 

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That scene could easily be something that happens before they get into the hot spring, but with that said I'e been wrong before.

Also I think the whole fanservice thing might be a case of cultural double standard, in Japan while they are more private with their relationships, they're a lot more honest and fourth coming about sexuality the U.S.A is. You may want to see how NoA handles the translation for Fates, to see if it fits in more with U.S.A's culture.

(A small note I could be wrong about in the above paragraph, I believe I maybe correct from some of the Japanese culture I've seen and studied, but I'm not Japanese, so I don't have a full understanding of its culture.)

Funny thing while Vivian's transgender was hidden in the U.S.A's version of The Thousand Year Door, she kept in the German version apparently.

I really do hope they allow for gay marriage, since it is Intelligent System's who gave us Heather, Nintendo's first 100% gay female, as well as giving us Vivian. Although some localisation teams chose to hide Heather being gay and Vivian's transgender.
I'm pretty sure no hot springs were mentioned about this feature at all. People are already playing the game and if hot springs were involved, it would have already been known. Although I don't think it would make it that much better...
 
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Am I the only one actually excited for Fire Emblem Fates?

I mean, I get why others wouldn't be, especially since the new features are basically pandering to waifu-claiming weaboos. Personally, I look at it as more of a guilty pleasure, one that shouldn't be taken seriously. But I understand the thought process of why these features would be too much for some to take in. So I don't blame them if they don't like any of it, especially since this form of fan-service only seems to be getting stronger since Awakening attracted its new fans (Fire Emblem already became Persona in terms of pandering excessively).

Anyone else interested in this game?
 
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Am I the only one actually excited for Fire Emblem Fates?

I mean, I get why others wouldn't be, especially since the new features are basically pandering to waifu-claiming weaboos. Personally, I look at it as more of a guilty pleasure, one that shouldn't be taken seriously. But I understand the thought process of why these features would be too much for some to take in. So I don't blame them if they don't like any of it, especially since this form of fan-service only seems to be getting stronger since Awakening attracted its new fans (Fire Emblem already became Persona in terms of pandering excessively).

Anyone else interested in this game?
I wasn't terribly excited in the first place, I was interested though. But I might just play the older entries, they look more interesting to me and suit my taste more.

Which FE games would you guys recommend other than Awakening?

Yessssssssssssss. I love that artist, can't wait to see what he's up to!
 

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Anyone else interested in this game?
Shameless fanservice where it "doesn't belong"? Count me in.

After seeing a new FE game for the 3DS again, I was uninterested. As Awakening was my first game in the franchise, I was hoping for a console game with a fresher experience. But I'll probably get the game anyway at this rate, call me a creepy otaku if you must, sticks and stones mate. People complain about almost anything in games nowadays, this is no different.
 

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I wasn't terribly excited in the first place, I was interested though. But I might just play the older entries, they look more interesting to me and suit my taste more.

Which FE games would you guys recommend other than Awakening?
the sacred stones is most similar to awakening. it also took some elements from gaiden but that was for the nes so it might not appeal
the blazing sword is well liked. it was called just fire emblem upon release here
the tellius games (path of radiance and radiant dawn) are the fan favorites, but they're really hard (and expensive if you can't emulate)
western fans tend to like genealogy of the holy war but you'd have to find a fan translation
 
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Shameless fanservice where it "doesn't belong"? Count me in.

After seeing a new FE game for the 3DS again, I was uninterested. As Awakening was my first game in the franchise, I was hoping for a console game with a fresher experience. But I'll probably get the game anyway at this rate, call me a creepy otaku if you must, sticks and stones mate. People complain about almost anything in games nowadays, this is no different.
Oh I'm so sorry that people feel differently about fanservice. :facepalm:
 
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