NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[PLATINUM7]

it bugs me so much that the game's official name is "Tri Force Heroes"

Why?

 

[Khoru]

Why?

i meant that as i quoted it
like, it's two words. tri force.

 

[PushDustIn]

Didn't even realize that.Will the toon series does have there serious moments and vaati is a very serious villian zelda lore wise.

I don't know personality wise he's doesn't really fits in the zelda series IMO.He feels more like a mario character than a zelda character as i'm saying bonifed joke character kinda like a waluigi of sorts .I mean as a character i respect him and if he had his own personal series i would probably like him more but in the zelda lore i dont care much for him

How's three games? (Balloon Fight was a Club Nintendo exclusive game)

I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not.

I'm serious. How many non-protagonist characters do we have in Smash that have appeared in 1 game?

Spoiler

Only Sheik.
...who was originally tied to Zelda.

 

[Kenith]

This honestly kinda feels like some sort of sick prank you guys are playing on me.
Let's talk about something else.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

This honestly kinda feels like some sort of sick prank you guys are playing on me.
Let's talk about something else.

All right how about we talk about a Sonic and Disney crossover tv series (with all the crossovers Sega's doing, its entirely possible they'd want to do this), which series would it be? How would the characters interact with one another? And what would the music be like?

 

[Das Koopa]

My conclusion on character DLC is basically that these guys are the most viable or likely reps:

-Paper Mario
-King K. Rool
-Dixie Kong
-Captain Toad
-Rayman
-Isaac

I can't think of anyone else.

 

[Kenith]

Um...how about Inkling?

 

[Mikegamer0608]

All right how about we talk about a Sonic and Disney crossover tv series (with all the crossovers Sega's doing, its entirely possible they'd want to do this), which series would it be? How would the characters interact with one another? And what would the music be like?

There you go.

 

[Das Koopa]

Um...how about Inkling?

Unless the development team decides to change their minds, I'm of the view that the DLC trophy and costumes are meant to signify that the dev team doesn't want to work on Inkling or doesn't consider it a priority and gave us those things as reconciliation for it.

 

[PushDustIn]

My conclusion on character DLC is basically that these guys are the most viable or likely reps:

-Paper Mario
-King K. Rool
-Dixie Kong
-Captain Toad
-Rayman
-Isaac

I can't think of anyone else.

-Paper Mario
-King K. Rool
-Dixie Kong
-Captain Toad
-Rhythm Heaven Rep (that was cut during development)
-Wolf
-Inkling

Unless the development team decides to change their minds, I'm of the view that the DLC trophy and costumes are meant to signify that the dev team doesn't want to work on Inkling or doesn't consider it a priority and gave us those things as reconciliation for it.

Since they released DLC costumes of characters in the game, I don't consider it as a slight against them.

 

[Kenith]

Yeah, I'm starting to think we might see a Rhythm Heaven character as DLC.
One thing I'm curious about is whether Sakurai is going to compile certain types of votes together. The personal example is putting together votes for Midna and Wolf Link/Midna, but also any Rhythm Heaven character that's voted for.

So say King K. Rool gets 10,000 votes. Then there's five Rhythm Heaven characters that get a much smaller amount, but combined they actually end up being more than 10,000 votes.

I think based on that, the demand for a Rhythm Heaven character would seem higher and considering how one-note RH characters are I think it's important.

 

[Mikegamer0608]

Quick question has a Virtua Fighter game ever been on a Nintendo system?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yeah, I'm starting to think we might see a Rhythm Heaven character as DLC.
One thing I'm curious about is whether Sakurai is going to compile certain types of votes together. The personal example is putting together votes for Midna and Wolf Link/Midna, but also any Rhythm Heaven character that's voted for.

So say King K. Rool gets 10,000 votes. Then there's five Rhythm Heaven characters that get a much smaller amount, but combined they actually end up being more than 10,000 votes.

I think based on that, the demand for a Rhythm Heaven character would seem higher and considering how one-note RH characters are I think it's important.

I don't think that's how it works.

Even then, we could combine, K.Rool, Dixie and any other DK character to ensure a DK character gets chosen.

This logic goes both ways.

 

[Kenith]

I don't think that's how it works.
Even then, we could combine, K.Rool, Dixie and any other DK character to ensure a DK character gets chosen.
This logic goes both ways.

What do you mean that's not how it works?
But regardless, that's exactly my point. Maybe if Dixie Kong and King K. Rool both get a huge amount of votes we might finally get one of them.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What do you mean that's not how it works?
But regardless, that's exactly my point. Maybe if Dixie Kong and King K. Rool both get a huge amount of votes we might finally get one of them.

But...

That would have nothing to do with their series.

That would just be because Dixie/K.Rool had a lot of votes.

 

[Kenith]

But...
That would have nothing to do with their series.
That would just be because Dixie/K.Rool had a lot of votes.

??
Did you not read what I said?

 

[Das Koopa]

I should've emphasized that I meant ballot DLC, btw. Wolf is likely before that and I think a RH is most likely to be the next pre-ballot DLC newcomer.

Since they released DLC costumes of characters in the game, I don't consider it as a slight against them.

IDK, it seems weird to me that they'd give us all this Splatoon content and still consider developing Inklings later on as DLC.

 

[TheAnvil]

Dixie Kong:

+Was planned to be playable in Brawl in some fashion.
+Covers the relevancy issues Rool has.
+Would satisfy most fans clamoring for more Donkey Kong representation.
-May not have a particularly unique moveset.
-Not especially popular.

(Objectively speaking) I take issue with both of the negatives you listed here. Her popularity is unquestionably lower than that of K. Rool, but she's still very popular in her own right, consistently ranking high in polls and according to research by both @ PushDustIn post Smash release as seen here:
http://i.imgur.com/cWr4KPF.png

And @ChronoBound 's pre-Smash findings seen here:
http://smashboards.com/threads/obse...es-desires-for-smash-4-by-chronobound.338160/

She has ranked among the top newcomers in both instances.
PushDustIn's list sees her as the 3rd top newcomer, behind K. Rool and Krystal, and tied with Ridley. Now Ridley is basically deconfirmed and Krystal's pretty much a dead character (her voice clips were removed from Orbit Gate even), so you could argue that she's the 2nd most requested viable character.
Chronobound's list sees her as one of 3 viable newcomers also, listed 2nd again (though not sure it's listed in specific order) as Chrom is a FS character and Zoroark is a poke-ball.

And really, her moveset potential is through the roof. I mean, how many characters have a body part to attack with that no other character in the game already uses? Not to mention all the other tools that she uses that are unique to her, or that all Kongs use in the DK games that Diddy nor DK use in their respective move sets (hell after Ness, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave her Tiny's feather gun).

I'm not attacking you or anything, but it really bugs me when people say she has limited moveset potential. And I just wanted to point out that her popularity is definitely there.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

There you go.

What Disney franchise are they making a crossover with? Also you left out

We need someone for him to team up with.

 

[Das Koopa]

I believe Dixie has moveset potential, but I mean unique: I'm talking mechanic shifts or really new concepts like Monado Arts, KO Meter, etc. Or some unusual traits, ala Little Mac's weak-air strong-ground playstyle or Mega Man's projectile based moveset. I'm not sure how you could make anything happen with Dixie's hair besides the standard 20+ moveset characters have.

 

[Champ Gold]

Quick question has a Virtua Fighter game ever been on a Nintendo system?

Nope but it's been in Arcades and Sega systems which are neutral towards Nintendo now.

Some history though, it had crossover with Fighting Vipers, another Sega fighter which had and Tails as fighters but can only be accessed by the game's code and were hacked in. But later they do make Sonic the Fighters which was Fighting Vipers but with Sonic characters and had a FV character in there called Honey

 

[PushDustIn]

New article, "The End of Smash DLC" written by yours truly. In case I didn't convince you before, this is my last next attempt!

 

[Naoshi]

Quick question has a Virtua Fighter game ever been on a Nintendo system?

I doubted it but I had to look it up. ...Surprisingly it did at some point, but not the kind of game you would expect.

"Virtua Quest, a simplified role-playing video game (which was also known as Virtua Fighter RPG) with new characters aimed at the children's market, was released for the Nintendo GameCube in 2004 and the PlayStation 2 in 2005. The Virtua Fighters had their incarnations from Virtua Fighter 4."

From the Wikipedia



With that said, they would still put the costumes in regardless of that game's existence since it seems to be more geared towards Sega's history.

 

[TheAnvil]

I believe Dixie has moveset potential, but I mean unique: I'm talking mechanic shifts or really new concepts like Monado Arts, KO Meter, etc. Or some unusual traits, ala Little Mac's weak-air strong-ground playstyle or Mega Man's projectile based moveset. I'm not sure how you could make anything happen with Dixie's hair besides the standard 20+ moveset characters have.

Not every character should have one, but you could easily justify giving her a strong air game, weaker ground game. Voila.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Mornin Folks :D

Just realised I missed my 4000 post.
I was gonna do something for it but I shall do it for my 5000 post Mark

 

[domokl]

For Dixie and k rool I honestly feel like Dixie is more likely. She is more relevant to the series and important at the moment. K rool has popularity but Dixie has it too. Not to mention sakurai considered adding Dixie to smash once already.

 

[Das Koopa]

New article, "The End of Smash DLC" written by yours truly. In case I didn't convince you before, this is my last next attempt!

I don't see why the ballot would run until October unless that time was going to actually be used. I think it's more than likely that they'll start early development of characters prior to the ballot closing, but I sincerely doubt we're seeing any ballot content until 2016.

Based on that, I'm of the view that the next two slots are being used for pre-ballot DLC or that one is ballot based and the other isn't. I think a lot of people are greatly overestimating the potential amount of newcomers, but I don't think based on the timing of the ballot that two are left.

 

[TheAnvil]

The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that Dixie and/or K. Rool are really the only (Nintendo) newcomers I can really see being added.

 

[PushDustIn]

I don't see why the ballot would run until October unless that time was going to actually be used. I think it's more than likely that they'll start early development of characters prior to the ballot closing, but I sincerely doubt we're seeing any ballot content until 2016.

Based on that, I'm of the view that the next two slots are being used for pre-ballot DLC or that one is ballot based and the other isn't. I think a lot of people are greatly overestimating the potential amount of newcomers, but I don't think based on the timing of the ballot that two are left.

Character data like that is useful regardless, and it can be used for the next Smash game (whenever they make it). I'm hoping that I'm wrong, and we get a lot more but between the data that's in the games + Sakurai's comments about the stage DLC, I'm not expecting a whole lot.

 

[Burb]

-Paper Mario
-King K. Rool
-Dixie Kong
-Captain Toad
-Rhythm Heaven Rep (that was cut during development)
-Wolf
-Inkling


Since they released DLC costumes of characters in the game, I don't consider it as a slight against them.

I feel the trophy is a bigger strike against them than the costume is.

And before anyone says "durrrrr lucas and mewtwo got trophies too!", they weren't randomly thrown into a DLC update. They were in the base game, before the DLC was planned (allegedly, according to Sakurai). We got an Inkling trophy after DLC plans begun.

Common sense should tell anyone that if there was any plans to make Inkling a DLC newcomer, they wouldn't have sent a trophy out like that. They'd save it for the actual DLC.

 

[Das Koopa]

I agree the character data would be useful, but I don't see why they'd make a ballot that runs for 6 months only to follow it for 2~ of those months before beginning character development. While the information can be useful for future Smash games, it seems incredibly misleading to release ballot content months before it ends. People won't vote anymore if it's announced that the content is already finalized, hence, I don't expect any announcements until after the ballot is done.

Releasing it on-the-date-of would also probably raise eyebrows when Sakurai has openly stated (possibly exaggerated) how long it takes him and his development team to make characters. Sure, they're more focused now that the game's out, but there's also a smaller development team that also has to handle balancing an ever-expanding roster.

I agree that it's likely they'll begin work on ballot content prior to the end of the ballot, but I don't expect ballot content until April-June 2016 and I expect 2-4 characters prior to that in a period ranging from August to October, with 2 being more likely due to their limited resources.

My biggest issue with more than 2 is the CSS, but do we know what the CSS would look like if the resolution went lower? Would it still be able to accommodate sizing down to fit an additional two characters? Also, hasn't it downsized itself already before to fit the current DLC cast?

 

[Das Koopa]

I feel the trophy is a bigger strike against them than the costume is.

And before anyone says "durrrrr lucas and mewtwo got trophies too!", they weren't randomly thrown into a DLC update. They were in the base game, before the DLC was planned (allegedly, according to Sakurai). We got an Inkling trophy after DLC plans begun.

I think when most people expect Inklings as DLC, they're talking ballot content. There could be an argument made that the development team would create them based on their popularity regardless of existing in-game content.

 

[Burb]

I think when most people expect Inklings as DLC, they're talking ballot content. There could be an argument made that the development team would create them based on their popularity regardless of existing in-game content.

While that's true, I don't think they're gonna be selected for the ballot. There's other choices, and I feel the addition of the Inkling trophy alongside the costumes were meant as a way to throw Splatoon fans a bone and give the game representation of some kind.

 

[Kenith]

I feel the trophy is a bigger strike against them than the costume is.
And before anyone says "durrrrr lucas and mewtwo got trophies too!", they weren't randomly thrown into a DLC update. They were in the base game, before the DLC was planned (allegedly, according to Sakurai). We got an Inkling trophy after DLC plans begun.
Common sense should tell anyone that if there was any plans to make Inkling a DLC newcomer, they wouldn't have sent a trophy out like that. They'd save it for the actual DLC.

I still don't think it's a disconfirmation but I'll definitely say it means more than the Mii costumes.

 

[Burb]

New article, "The End of Smash DLC" written by yours truly. In case I didn't convince you before, this is my last next attempt!

As anyone who's familiar with me knows, I'm already a firm believer already that there's not much left.

So, while there was no convincing required with me, I think you did a great job of laying out all the facts and theories that point towards the pragmatic side being right (right again, I should say, since we won on the main game's roster too, lol).

I don't think it's gonna convince a lot of people, and the majority are gonna continue to guess there's a billion characters left and we're gonna get every single veteran and a dozen third parties, but I think this will at least have people start to question what's realistic and what isn't.

 

[TheAnvil]

There won't ever be a limit on how many characters added because of the CSS, they've always rescaled the character icons in the past, and they always will as they see fit.

I feel the trophy is a bigger strike against them than the costume is.

And before anyone says "durrrrr lucas and mewtwo got trophies too!", they weren't randomly thrown into a DLC update. They were in the base game, before the DLC was planned (allegedly, according to Sakurai). We got an Inkling trophy after DLC plans begun.

Common sense should tell anyone that if there was any plans to make Inkling a DLC newcomer, they wouldn't have sent a trophy out like that. They'd save it for the actual DLC.

I agree with this. And I consider myself an advocate for the Inklings being included at some point, be it as DLC or added in the next game.

This whole Inkling trophy thing is partly what inspired this post:

The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that Dixie and/or K. Rool are really the only (Nintendo) newcomers I can really see being added.

 

[continuityOfficer]

As one of the self-proclaimed biggest Inkling supports around, I dont see how anyone can see them getting a chance before the ballot. I mean, a the very least, you have to think of this from a bussiness perspective, until the game comes out and probably not until a month past then atleast, you have no idea what the games ultimate reception will be. So creating a character for that is extremely risky, and if its pre-ballot, there is no way they could start before that time to get them done. You could say Roy, but hes also part of a franchise that already exists and has atleast proven that the franchise has popularity.

I mean, if splatoon bombed, it would end up that the time they spend trying to work on inklings is almost a waste.

Inklings only real chances are with the ballot, whitch at this point I have no idea how high that actually is.

 

[Das Koopa]

More of a point with the CSS for me is if another scaledown would cause anything substantial to happen: ex, anything becoming unreadable like G&W's name. I know it can be scaled down, but I'm wondering if it's still practical.

 

[Kenith]

More of a point with the CSS for me is if another scaledown would cause anything substantial to happen: ex, anything becoming unreadable like G&W's name. I know it can be scaled down, but I'm wondering if it's still practical.

There's a possibility they make the CSS two pages or remove the names like the 3DS version.

 

[Burb]

There's a possibility they make the CSS two pages or remove the names like the 3DS version.

Secondly, the Wii U Character Selection Screen (CSS) only allows two more characters. I’m fully aware of the next page buttons for the CSS and Stage Selection Screen (SSS) in 3DS, and the SSS button (that I helped discovered) in the Wii U version. However, no such button exists for the CSS in the Wii U version. Essentially, all characters must fit on the single screen. The icons can be downsized again but we are going to eventually reach a point of MUGEN-style CSS where we won’t be able to tell who the character is.

Yes, they could add another page to the Wii U but I sincerely doubt it. This is because multiple players select their characters at the same time in the CSS. It could cause potential griefing on the Wii U if they had another page as players could go back and forth between the next page and the main page. Initially, I had predicted that the CSS would use a Mii Fighter type of system for the DLC, but I was wrong. Instead, Sakurai is simply adding characters before the Mii Fighters, ensuring that the original order is not rearranged.