NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[Guybrush20X6]

I understand that, I was just using your statement as a transition point. In any case, E3 is not about actually making money or being successful. It's about hype. That's why "winning" E3 doesn't really matter... half the games we get hyped for end up terrible or in development hell. The easiest way to generate hype is with new hardware, so a company launching a new system already has a foot up on the competition.



I'm going to once again point out E3 2006. Nintendo knocked it out of the park with that one. It was the debut for the Wii, and while the majority of the talk concerned the motion controls and Wii Sports, Nintendo made sure to include a lot of traditional fair to appeal to the "hardcore" crowd.

Mario Galaxy debuted, and was viewed by many as a true successor to Mario 64 (the reception for Sunshine has softened over the year, but many gamers really disliked it at the time.) Twilight Princess was shown off and people loved both it and the use of motion controls in the game (I remember game journalists gushing over the fishing in particular.) Even Nintendo 'B' franchises were shown some love with Wario Ware Smooth Moves and Excite.

On the DS side of things, we got a new Star Fox (Command) and Zelda (Phantom Hour Glass) as well as a quirky rhythm game by the name of Elite Beat Agents.

To top it all off... we had the Smash Bros. Brawl reveal. That was an amazing moment. While Sony fans were scratching their head over "old" Snake in MGS4 Nintendo had the Snake everyone knew and love in their most popular fighting franchise.

The DS and the 3DS debut years were also really good.... if Nintendo can put together an event that's at least half as content filled as 2006 then I think they will walk away the show.

They better show off Metroid NX.

Though thinking on this Smash 4 getting updated for NX idea floating around, here's what I think they should add, assuming it's like Ultras Street Fighter to 4's Super Street Fighter.

• About 5 Extra Characters
  • Ice Climbers
  • Inkling
  • Ballot choices that couldn't make it as DLC
  • A surprise or two
• 3DS stages remade in HD as the hypothetical system will be a combination of portable and handheld.
• All DLC characters, including new custom moves for them (Imagine Ryu with Ken's Shoryuken or Sakura's anti-air hadoukens)
• An easier way to keep track of cusom moves
• A challenges list that's more balanced that 3DS's easy one and WiiU's Smash Balls hard one.
• A Hazard Switch. (Imagine Willy's Castle with the platforms but no Yellow Devil.)

That's all I got. Did I miss anything?

 

[Z25]

i'm just curious, why this specific map?

also a mystery dungeon stage would be super cool. given its lack of content in brawl, 3ds, and wii u, though, i'm not entirely convinced that nintendo can put stuff in? i'm not trying to be a downer or anything. i just think it might be a similar situation to smrpg or something

I don't know, I like the stages design, I wouldn't say there truly is a signature stage, as none gets more screen time then the other, So I'd say anythings game. As for MD content, chun soft makes those, and I think GF owns them, if not GF could probably get a stage of content from the game added to smash. It's arguably their biggest spinoff. It's quite deserving of a few nods of bits of representation. I'd love to have through the sea of time as a track!

 

[Das Koopa]

@0:25

I'm so glad I pitched into the kickstarter.

I'm confident this'll be one of the best games on the Wii U library. Glad that it's multiplat, too

 

[SuperMii3D]

They better show off Metroid NX.

Though thinking on this Smash 4 getting updated for NX idea floating around, here's what I think they should add, assuming it's like Ultras Street Fighter to 4's Super Street Fighter.

• About 5 Extra Characters
  • Ice Climbers
  • Inkling
  • Ballot choices that couldn't make it as DLC
  • A surprise or two
• 3DS stages remade in HD as the hypothetical system will be a combination of portable and handheld.
• All DLC characters, including new custom moves for them (Imagine Ryu with Ken's Shoryuken or Sakura's anti-air hadoukens)
• An easier way to keep track of cusom moves
• A challenges list that's more balanced that 3DS's easy one and WiiU's Smash Balls hard one.
• A Hazard Switch. (Imagine Willy's Castle with the platforms but no Yellow Devil.)

That's all I got. Did I miss anything?

12 player smash

 

[Spazzy_D]

They better show off Metroid NX.

Though thinking on this Smash 4 getting updated for NX idea floating around, here's what I think they should add, assuming it's like Ultras Street Fighter to 4's Super Street Fighter.

• About 5 Extra Characters
  • Ice Climbers
  • Inkling
  • Ballot choices that couldn't make it as DLC
  • A surprise or two
• 3DS stages remade in HD as the hypothetical system will be a combination of portable and handheld.
• All DLC characters, including new custom moves for them (Imagine Ryu with Ken's Shoryuken or Sakura's anti-air hadoukens)
• An easier way to keep track of cusom moves
• A challenges list that's more balanced that 3DS's easy one and WiiU's Smash Balls hard one.
• A Hazard Switch. (Imagine Willy's Castle with the platforms but no Yellow Devil.)

That's all I got. Did I miss anything?

MORE CUSTOM STAGE PARTS AND BACKGROUNDS.

Also, if Ice Climbers are in, let's see the Chorus Men. Perhaps a revamped Pokemon trainer as well. Also, if Smash Run makes it in and they offer more control over the final match (you can pick it,) add a few more maps, and make it playable with friends online I might actually play it.

 

[kylexv]

I suppose we can talk about smashified here, too.
So, they tweeted a hint for the next character:

There was a problem fetching the tweet

...RIP dream of Bandana Dee, King Boo, and/or Mother Brain smashified. (For now)

Purple, huh. Waluigi confirmed .

 

[Thelimomon]

They better show off Metroid NX.

Though thinking on this Smash 4 getting updated for NX idea floating around, here's what I think they should add, assuming it's like Ultras Street Fighter to 4's Super Street Fighter.

• About 5 Extra Characters
  • Ice Climbers
  • Inkling
  • Ballot choices that couldn't make it as DLC
  • A surprise or two
• 3DS stages remade in HD as the hypothetical system will be a combination of portable and handheld.
• All DLC characters, including new custom moves for them (Imagine Ryu with Ken's Shoryuken or Sakura's anti-air hadoukens)
• An easier way to keep track of cusom moves
• A challenges list that's more balanced that 3DS's easy one and WiiU's Smash Balls hard one.
• A Hazard Switch. (Imagine Willy's Castle with the platforms but no Yellow Devil.)

That's all I got. Did I miss anything?

Maybe one or two new modes?
(And PLEASE a real Target Smash...)

 

[domokl]

I like the idea of simply adding onto smash 4 for the NX instead of fully remaking the game for NX. it would allow it to be a launch title while if the game was rebuilt from the ground up it would take a while before it would be released for the NX.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

With all the Shantae talk I've been seeing, I guess I'll pitch in. I've seen one detracting suggestion that she's too sexualized for the game. Note:

*While this IS fanart, it's probably not far off from what she'd look like.

We can assume that the reason Tharja's trophy got booted from the game was due to her being "too sexual" for an E10 game and that Nintendo was apparently very dedicated to maintaining that rating.

I think there's something key to note here: Shulk and Zero Suit Samus both show a lot of skin in specific palette swaps, yet it didn't drive up the rating. Palutena is apparently allowed to have panties (Sakurai bias pls) yet the game maintains it's rating.

I'm pretty sure the reason Tharja was cut has to do with Tharja being a more inherently sexualized character (in personality and attire) whereas costume design seems to be able to get away with a lot.

Hence, I don't think Shantae's design hurts her chances.

The only main things hollding shantae back in my eyes are the fact that are games aren't very will known in japan(still more will known than shovel knight but not saying much) and is that she's not as "iconic" as the other characters.I personally think think she could beat these hurddles but what do i know

 

[Spazzy_D]

The only main things hollding shantae back in my eyes are the fact that are games aren't very will known in japan(still more will known than shovel knight but not saying much) and is that she's not as "iconic" as the other characters.I personally think think she could beat these hurddles but what do i know

What I love about Shantae is how much she "feels" like a Nintendo character. I know that's a nebulous and subjective statement, but most people that have played her games will know what I mean.

 

[vaanrose]

So here's an interesting thing. Apparently in Triforce Heroes, the different Link's use different yells

Green=A Link Between Worlds
Red=Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask
Blue=Wind Waker

Rip in peace, Purple Link

 

[domokl]

Do you guys hope smash NX also has a portable version for nintendos next portable console? or do you want smash NX to be complety independent?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

All I really really really want for NX is for third party support to be fixed.

It'd just be nice to not see some of the new big franchises forgo Nintendo all together for a change.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Do you guys hope smash NX also has a portable version for nintendos next portable console? or do you want smash NX to be complety independent?

I heard somewhere the NX will be a combo of portable and console. I think it means it's like a WiiU gamepad you don't need to be in range of a box to use.

 

[Khoru]

Do you guys hope smash NX also has a portable version for nintendos next portable console? or do you want smash NX to be complety independent?

nah
the 3ds version kinda held the wii u version back. not just with stuff like icies, but it also made the stage selection and stuff less robust. some of the 3ds stages would've been amazing on wii u, like living room, magicant, spirit train, rainbow road, and unova pokemon league.

All I really really really want for NX is for third party support to be fixed.

It'd just be nice to not see some of the new big franchises forgo Nintendo all together for a change.

the third-parties in smash 4 are weird anyway
i... still don't understand the culdcept content

 

[Kenith]

Rip in peace, Purple Link

Purple Link should have had Skyward Sword Link's voice.
There is a webcomic (Sucks to be Weegee) where that Link is gay so if purple Link had his voice it would be hilarious.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

What I love about Shantae is how much she "feels" like a Nintendo character. I know that's a nebulous and subjective statement, but most people that have played her games will know what I mean.

that is why i want nintendo to make wayforward a 2nd party company.There games are just so nintendo like and just gives you that classic feel.Besides 3/4 of there games are on nintendo consoles anyway,Might as will seal the deal.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Honestly smash NX being an upgraded smash 4 just feels wrong.

I love smash 4 but just a expansion pack for a whole new console just doesnt sit right with me . At least SSFIVU was on the same console and mot meant to be a new game. It just wouldn't feel right to me after how previous smash games have been :/

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I don't know that Sakurai would feel right about just making the old game new again for NX.

That strikes me against his work ethic. It's a very ''Super Smash Brothers Ultra Edition" sort of situation and I don't know that I can see him doing that sort of thing.

 

[Kenith]

All I really really really want for NX is for third party support to be fixed.
It'd just be nice to not see some of the new big franchises forgo Nintendo all together for a change.

What do you mean? Are you saying that third parties with connections to Nintendo should get some representation regardless of their prestige besides?

 

[Das Koopa]

The only main things hollding shantae back in my eyes are the fact that are games aren't very will known in japan(still more will known than shovel knight but not saying much) and is that she's not as "iconic" as the other characters.I personally think think she could beat these hurddles but what do i know

A lot of it depends on what criteria a character needs to fit to join the cast. My problem with Shantae is that I feel she's a bit too obscure to be represented. There are obscure characters in Smash, but it's worth noting that most of them seem to file under the guise of "retro" like Ice Climber, Pit, ROB, G&W, DHD, etc, where the characters weren't well known prior to their inclusion. Shantae is far more recent, and I'm afraid that sort of throws her in the same category as characters like:

-Andy
-Isaac
-Chibi Robo
-Ray MKIII/I/Whatever

It seems like the late 90s to the mid-00s get shafted pretty hard in terms of new franchises. Among all the ones they could've represented, we were given Olimar and Villager. I think Olimar is really the only character comparable to the above I listed because as far as I know the Pikmin franchise wasn't immensely popular like the Animal Crossing franchise has been.

 

[PushDustIn]

I don't know that Sakurai would feel right about just making the old game new again for NX.

That strikes me against his work ethic. It's a very ''Super Smash Brothers Ultra Edition" sort of situation and I don't know that I can see him doing that sort of thing.

Remind me! There's a couple of instances where he talks about this during the N64 era. It mostly came up as a N64:DD comment, but I think he talks about releasing "Ultra" editions somewhere. I'll have to look for it this weekend. I added it to my memo.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

What do you mean? Are you saying that third parties with connections to Nintendo should get some representation regardless of their prestige besides?

As in more third party games for NX. Nothing to do with Smash NX.

It really gets disheartening as a Nintendo fan (who admittedly gets one or both of the competing systems anyways) to see a major installment in a third party franchise not have ''Wii U" labelled as a system it's coming to.

 

[Kenith]

As in more third party games for NX. Nothing to do with Smash NX.

It really gets disheartening as a Nintendo fan (who admittedly gets one or both of the competing systems anyways) to see a major installment in a third party franchise not have ''Wii U" labelled as a system it's coming to.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I agree completely.
If I had the option to play Dark Souls and Resident Evil on Wii U I don't think I'd even consider getting anything else.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

A lot of it depends on what criteria a character needs to fit to join the cast. My problem with Shantae is that I feel she's a bit too obscure to be represented. There are obscure characters in Smash, but it's worth noting that most of them seem to file under the guise of "retro" like Ice Climber, Pit, ROB, G&W, DHD, etc, where the characters weren't well known prior to their inclusion. Shantae is far more recent, and I'm afraid that sort of throws her in the same category as characters like:

-Andy
-Isaac
-Chibi Robo
-Ray MKIII/I/Whatever

It seems like the late 90s to the mid-00s get shafted pretty hard in terms of new franchises. Among all the ones they could've represented, we were given Olimar and Villager. I think Olimar is really the only character comparable to the above I listed because as far as I know the Pikmin franchise wasn't immensely popular like the Animal Crossing franchise has been.

i understand your point.I just love the series and thinks it should be represented in some light.Rather it be playable,music, or even a trophy.I think it's ties to nintendo can justify atleast the a trophy

 

[Spazzy_D]

You know, I REALLY want Wolf back, but to be honest.... Lucas and Roy needed the DLC treatment more than him in order to stay relevant in Smash. Both characters now have the opportunity to become main stays in Smash as they have two appearances a piece. If Wolf doesn't return here (and I both want him to and believe he will) he still has a great chance of coming back someday since Star Fox is a premiere franchise and he is a decently big part of it.

 

[epicmartin7]

So I've been thinking about Nintendo's E3 since its finally over with and I realized that we are getting some pretty cool games soon. Now they might not be of the triple AAA Smash Bros. rank that we all expected, but they seem pretty fun. The thing I felt went wrong was the digital event itself in my opinion wasn't really structured properly and the transitions weren't as smooth as last year's were.

Nonetheless, I felt Nintendo's E3 was pretty average overall mostly because of the Nintendo Direct Micro and Smash Direct nearly being a part of E3. To me, it was the digital event that really was dissapointing as Nintendo seemed to be clearing everything out of the way for bigger and better announcements (although they didn't deliver...).

I just thought I would get my thoughts out of the way as its been on my mind lately (plus I have no one else to talk to...). This E3, I felt, was really dissapointing in the aspect of huge blockbuster surprising announcements. Hopefully they have some in store for SDCC or Pax Prime. I have a feeling they might show Zelda Wii U in the same vein on how they showed Smash 3DS last year at Pax. But that's just my crazy thoughts XD. What do you guys think of my opinion? Am I becoming a better writer ?

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

So I've been thinking about Nintendo's E3 since its finally over with and I realized that we are getting some pretty cool games soon. Now they might not be of the triple AAA Smash Bros. rank that we all expected, but they seem pretty fun. The thing I felt went wrong was the digital event itself in my opinion wasn't really structured properly and the transitions weren't as smooth as last year's were.

Nonetheless, I felt Nintendo's E3 was pretty average overall mostly because of the Nintendo Direct Micro and Smash Direct nearly being a part of E3. To me, it was the digital event that really was dissapointing as Nintendo seemed to be clearing everything out of the way for bigger and better announcements (although they didn't deliver...).

I just thought I would get my thoughts out of the way as its been on my mind lately (plus I have no one else to talk to...). This E3, I felt, was really dissapointing in the aspect of huge blockbuster surprising announcements. Hopefully they have some in store for SDCC or Pax Prime. I have a feeling they might show Zelda Wii U in the same vein on how they showed Smash 3DS last year at Pax. But that's just my crazy thoughts XD. What do you guys think of my opinion? Am I becoming a better writer ?

Yeah it was just underwhelming, but if you combine all the other announcements they made this month, Direct micro, smash DLC, and NWC, you get a decent showing, besides

 

[Soul.]

If NX is a console/handheld hybrid, it better be compact.
Smash games nowadays are just better versions of the previous titles, so essentially Smash NX is a better Smash 3DS/Wii U.
I still want handheld Smash to stay though.

 

[PushDustIn]

I think the mini-direct, and separating the Smash portion is what really increased expectations for the Digital Event. Thinking about it, it makes sense that they would separate the Smash portion (so people could stay tuned for the Treehouse) but they should have included the Smash portion, and then released the characters later that week. Earthbound 0 should have been in the Digital Event, and the Mario celebration should have been moved to the end. Earthbound 0 or the Smash DLC should have been the closer IMO.

 

[domokl]

You know, I REALLY want Wolf back, but to be honest.... Lucas and Roy needed the DLC treatment more than him in order to stay relevant in Smash. Both characters now have the opportunity to become main stays in Smash as they have two appearances a piece. If Wolf doesn't return here (and I both want him to and believe he will) he still has a great chance of coming back someday since Star Fox is a premiere franchise and he is a decently big part of it.

that reminds me.... How do you guys think dlc characters from this game will be handled in smash nx?

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

that reminds me.... How do you guys think dlc characters from this game will be handled in smash nx?

Veterans not finished in time are free DLC, newcomers paid.

 

[Deleted member]

The NX should be a handheld system. Think about it. The Wii U still needs tons of support. It'll almost be five years since the 3DS came out (that is, in 2016), so it makes sense to replace it instead. Of course, they could repeat the "third pillar" strategy once again and see if it works or not.

 

[PushDustIn]

Veterans not finished in time are free DLC, newcomers paid.

Veterans - Paid
Newcomers - Paid

There's no way that Nintendo is not going to make you pay for additional characters. They made everyone pay for Lucas and he was a "veteran not finished in time" for Smash for 3DS/Wii U.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Veterans - Paid
Newcomers - Paid

There's no way that Nintendo is not going to make you pay for additional characters. They made everyone pay for Lucas and he was a "veteran not finished in time" for Smash for 3DS/Wii U.

But, do you

Guess who

 

[Firus]

Veterans - Paid
Newcomers - Paid

There's no way that Nintendo is not going to make you pay for additional characters. They made everyone pay for Lucas and he was a "veteran not finished in time" for Smash for 3DS/Wii U.

Seriously, all of this optimism about maybe not having to pay for a certain character or type of character is nice, but very unfounded. They might do a bonus like Mewtwo, but no character is going to be 100% free. They can easily charge for characters, and if they can, there's no way they won't.

 

[Dravidian]

Spoiler: Personal Rant

I don't know how to feel right now.
About 3 weeks ago I bought a Baccano dvd set for $30 ($32.10 with tax) at Momocon, but the store owner charged me $324.10 (hopefully by accident). I don't know how I missed that.

I finally get into contact with him after almost three weeks of trying (I kept getting is workers) and he tells me it's too long ago to remember and that I signed the receipt, but he's willing to talk.

On one hand he says he's willing to talk, but on the other he doesnt contact me for weeks and claims he cant remember; he says 4 isn't next to 2 on a number pad (but it's right below 1 and he had big fingers); and I bought one of the last copies of Baccano(if not the last) during the last hour of Momocon....do you not keep up with your sales at least daily? Do you not notice you have about $300 more than you should?

He seemed like a nice guy, but I just don't know now. Either he's not a very good businessman or he's a liar.

I've never had a problem using a card before at events like that, but this is most likely the last as I don;t intend to use one anymore.

yay....games

 

[Soul.]

Has anyone seen if the Nintendo reddit has any criticism?
Federation Force's video has 52K+ dislikes already.

 

[PushDustIn]

Spoiler: Personal Rant

I don't know how to feel right now.
About 3 weeks ago I bought a Baccano dvd set for $30 ($32.10 with tax) at Momocon, but the store owner charged me $324.10 (hopefully by accident). I don't know how I missed that.

I finally get into contact with him after almost three weeks of trying (I kept getting is workers) and he tells me it's too long ago to remember and that I signed the receipt, but he's willing to talk.

On one hand he says he's willing to talk, but on the other he doesnt contact me for weeks and claims he cant remember; he says 4 isn't next to 2 on a number pad (but it's right below 1 and he had big fingers); and I bought one of the last copies of Baccano(if not the last) during the last hour of Momocon....do you not keep up with your sales at least daily? Do you not notice you have about $300 more than you should?

He seemed like a nice guy, but I just don't know now. Either he's not a very good businessman or he's a liar.

I've never had a problem using a card before at events like that, but this is most likely the last as I don;t intend to use one anymore.

yay....games

It doesn't matter if he's a "nice guy" he's ripping you off. Get your money back, threaten to file a merchant dispute with your bank.

Just posted this article on Source Gaming:
"Quoting vs. Plagiarism"
It's a message targeted at blogs that use Source Gaming's articles without permission, in their entirety. Hopefully it doesn't come off as too much of a rant.

 

[Dravidian]

Has anyone seen if the Nintendo reddit has any criticism?
Federation Force's video has 52K+ dislikes already.

It's really sad. People biggest complaint is that it's a metroid game, not that it's a bad game. It's DmC all over again, but worse.