Social NintenZone Social 6.0 - L'Arachel Edition, Apparently?

[PsychoIncarnate]

Those are some bizarrely specific situations you're creating in order to justify the status quo.

They are situations that happen in real life

Are you just going to assume all criminals are by themselves and are thin wristed 5' nothings?

 

[Schnee117]

Those are some bizarrely specific situations you're creating in order to justify the status quo.

Whataboutism rearing its ugly head as it always does when gun violence is brought up.

 

[Opossum]

Until it's less convenient to get a gun than it is to kill people with a gun, the laws aren't strict enough.

 

[Will]

Legal weapons are actually a good alternative, I think. I'd give the hunting rifle and even some specific types of handguns the pass, but there are alternatives if you're not gonna take the time to worry about martial because cmon, it's you and your flesh against a weapon that was probably garnered illegally and will shut yourself, the only weapon you have, down in seconds. There are some batons that are motion-based and can deliver powerful blows, and then there are various spikes ands alarms you can use. Definitely not as effective, but it's an alternative solution.

However I don't want the country to end up like the U.K. where we take a step back and end up having to take ****ing bike wheels from people because they're seen as a weapon, because they can be. Now Australia? That's the ****ing idol to try to be.

Are you just going to assume all criminals are by themselves and are thin wristed 5' nothings?

what does height have to do with this?

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Also, how is a pocket knife or tazer going to help you against some huge 300 lbs. 6' something person? Especially since tazer's don't work on everyone

. Or what if multiple people attack you? What are you going to do if a group of 3 people break into your house and attack your family?

Is the crime rate is that bad in the US where everybody needs a gun? That seems a little over the top. I'm not saying crime is not a thing just that arming every citizen 'just in case' is not justified (excessive response to a potential problem).

Is there no law enforcement in the US? Sounds like far west logic imo.

 

[Schnee117]

Until it's less convenient to get a gun than it is to kill people with a gun, the laws aren't strict enough.

Japan gets this right.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38365729

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Is the crime rate is that bad in the US where everybody needs a gun? That seems a little over the top. I'm not saying crime is not a thing just that arming every citizen 'just in case' is not justified (excessive response to a potential problem).

Is there no law enforcement in the US? Sounds like far west logic imo.

Law enforcement takes more than 5 minutes on average to arrive.

How much damage do you think a criminal can do within that time?

The majority of gun owners in the US are not criminals that go around killing.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

As someone who isn't that comfortable in these types of conversations, I'm going to shift the topic to something else. GhastStation posted a new Fire Emblem Support Science video today. It has the spotlight on Hector today and talks about aspects many fans who haven't read through Fire Emblem 7 seem to not know about in terms of his character. He isn't just an Axe Lord that uses Armads and says Oho, or just generally a fun unit to use. There's character to him.

 

[Will]

Is the crime rate is that bad in the US where everybody needs a gun?

Depends on where you live.

Take my hometown Memphis for example. Hell yes it's that bad.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I live in an area where people in the rest of the state are too scared to go in. Though I don't really see crime that often other than theft.

 

[Deleted member]

Until it's less convenient to get a gun than it is to kill people with a gun, the laws aren't strict enough.

I agree.
If people are going to continue using guns for harm, than there needs to be more stricter laws.

 

[Will]

The majority of gun owners in the US are not criminals that go around killing.

While I agree with you, I also agree that specific types of firearms should be heavily restricted, but leave the others up to some touches here and there to make the process "safer". That's why I will always look at Australia and say "look at this dude he mastered the art of gun control like over twenty years ago".

If people are going to continue using guns for harm, than there needs to be more stricter laws.

BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT GUNS WERE MADE TO DO

 

[ChikoLad]

I completely disagree with you

To weaken the citizen is to make them subjects of the state

Also, how is a pocket knife or tazer going to help you against some huge 300 lbs. 6' something person? Especially since tazer's don't work on everyone

. Or what if multiple people attack you? What are you going to do if a group of 3 people break into your house and attack your family?

Well if you shoot and kill them with the gun (intentionally or not - you could aim for their arm and end up hitting their head), you will likely suffer some kind of consequence anyway and scar your kids in the process.

With non-lethal measures, you can at least prevent those things, for starters.

Additionally, I could turn this situation on it's head, and this one is far more common and realistic - three dudes who got their hands on handguns and aren't all that well trained with them and probably haven't actually killed someone before, VS someone who has no gun but knows the layout and contents of their house, and has the agility to make a sudden move when the right moment arises.

You'd be surprised how effective certain everyday objects are for self defense. Hand guns and even assault rifles aren't powerful enough to win against someone with knowledge of their surroundings and just the right tools to use. Hell, long-ranged weapons can be cripplingly ineffective in tight spaces unless you literally are going to kill someone without hesitation - which the average burglar isn't seeking.

I won't deny that there are certain, extreme situations where a gun might be the most ideal means of self-defense. But those are few and far between and many instances of them only exist because of how easy it is to get your hands on a firearm in the first place.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well if you shoot and kill them with the gun (intentionally or not - you could aim for their arm and end up hitting their head), you will likely suffer some kind of consequence anyway and scar your kids in the process.

With non-lethal measures, you can at least prevent those things, for starters.

Additionally, I could turn this situation on it's head, and this one is far more common and realistic - three dudes who got their hands on handguns and aren't all that well trained with them and probably haven't actually killed someone before, VS someone who has no gun but knows the layout and contents of their house, and has the agility to make a sudden move when the right moment arises.

You'd be surprised how effective certain everyday objects are for self defense. Hand guns and even assault rifles aren't powerful enough to win against someone with knowledge of their surroundings and just the right tools to use. Hell, long-ranged weapons can be cripplingly ineffective in tight spaces unless you literally are going to kill someone without hesitation - which the average burglar isn't seeking.

I won't deny that there are certain, extreme situations where a gun might be the most ideal means of self-defense. But those are few and far between and many instances of them only exist because of how easy it is to get your hands on a firearm in the first place.

Well, I think the kids would be scarred a lot more if the criminal does something to them rather than killing the criminal

Also I don't think we should depend on the skill of the homeowner for the defense of their family. Even if one person in the house can get around their house and evade home invaders, they also have to defend everyone else in their house. All the invader has to do is grab someone's wife or son or aging mother

 

[Deleted member]

BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT GUNS WERE MADE TO DO

Calm down, please.
Guns were made to do that, but harming innocent humans with guns is wrong.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Calm down, please.
Guns were made to do that, but harming innocent humans with guns is wrong.

Maybe they should make harming innocent humans illegal

That'd stop criminals from doing it

 

[ChikoLad]

Also I don't think we should depend on the skill of the homeowner for the defense of their family. Even if one person in the house can get around their house and evade home invaders, they also have to defend everyone else in their house. All the invader has to do is grab someone's wife or son or aging mother

Fair point. I thought about that myself.

Which is why maybe it would be practical to have being wheelchair bound (and actual documentation to prove it) or otherwise elderly as a requirement for acquiring a hand gun legally. Because young people only need them because it's easier for the less upstanding young people to get them.

 

[Zinith]

Guns are not going anywhere in the US. End of story...

 

[Will]

Calm down, please.
Guns were made to do that, but harming innocent humans with guns is wrong.

I am calm, WHEN I DO THIS it's to illustrate a point. I don't know why people always associate it with anger. But guns have been killing innocent humans as long as guns have been around. Wartime comes, soldiers in shooting each other, most of them are pretty innocent wouldn't you say? They're just trying to defend their country.

When I look at gun control, it's the people who aren't so wise up in the sanity department getting a hold of them is where it can get scary. That's just IMO.

 

[ChikoLad]

Guns are not going anywhere in the US. End of story...

Definitely not with that attitude, they won't.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Law enforcement takes more than 5 minutes on average to arrive.

How much damage do you think a criminal can do within that time?

The majority of gun owners in the US are not criminals that go around killing.

I see your point... fair enough. I'll take you word for it, if the majority of gun owners are well intentionned people there should be no problem for them to go through background checks to make sure they are indeed well intended. This could be a good start no?

I'm just trying to understand more of it, as a canadian all of those shootings just seems surreal. Even in big city like Montreal and Toronto it's super rare. Everybody here (almost) agree we should have guns but frankly it's more for hunting/preventing a bear from killing us rather than to stop a criminal.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Fair point. I thought about that myself.

Which is why maybe it would be practical to have being wheelchair bound (and actual documentation to prove it) or otherwise elderly as a requirement for acquiring a hand gun legally. Because young people only need them because it's easier for the less upstanding young people to get them.

I don't see how that connects. I'd rather be a homeowner with a gun to protect my family than depend on everyone's skill to evade home invaders.

I don't know how big your house is, but mine is only one circle and all it'd take for home invaders to corner me would be 2 people going on either side of it.

 

[Deleted member]

I am calm, WHEN I DO THIS it's to illustrate a point. I don't know why people always associate it with anger. But guns have been killing innocent humans as long as guns have been around. Wartime comes, soldiers in shooting each other, most of them are pretty innocent wouldn't you say? They're just trying to defend their country.

When I look at gun control, it's the people who aren't so wise up in the sanity department getting a hold of them is where it can get scary. That's just IMO.

Making your words larger just makes you sound way too expresive, and you use those in a harsh way.

Please do not use big words a lot.

 

[Will]

Guns are not going anywhere in the US. End of story...

I agree, but not in the way you think.

Definitely not with that attitude, they won't.

You can't erase guns from the state. The buyback system was ****ing brilliant back in 1996, where you pretty much get a profit out of surrendering your weapons (at least the weapons that you "shouldn't own"). Maybe some wouldn't do it because of their pride, but money is money man. The SJW idea of burning all guns out of existence is ****ing dumb, but a solution similar to what kangaroo boys did I think is the best route to look at. The only problem I think is the Southern U.S. being a stingy old man on traditions and values with guns.

Making your words larger just makes you sound way too expresive, and you use those in a harsh way.

Please do not use big words a lot.

Dude if I can express myself that's me getting what I want out of posting. I'm not gonna use it like crazy in an entire post, but I'll definitely use it when I deem it necessary on my end unless a mod kills me

 

[Androobie]

Calm down, please.
Guns were made to do that, but harming innocent humans with guns is wrong.

Stay out of this conversation, please. You know LITERALLY NOTHING about any of this.

 

[Opossum]

Please do not use big words a lot.

Phosphorescence.

 

[praline]

Making your words larger just makes you sound way too expresive, and you use those in a harsh way.

Please do not use big words a lot.

Sesquipedalian

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'll agree there should be more emphasis in the US for Mental Health. I'll give you that

 

[Will]

Phosphorescence.

Sesquipedalian

Stay out of this conversation, please. You know LITERALLY NOTHING about any of this.

Then encourage him to learn about it on his own time, not to discourage him from the topic at all.

 

[False Sense]

Maybe they should make harming innocent humans illegal

That'd stop criminals from doing it

Does it really need to be said that making a crime harder to do is an effective deterrent?

You could just remove all the locks from your doors and get rid of your alarms while you're at it; if someone's gonna just break into your house anyway you might as well not bother, amirite?

 

[Deleted member]

Stay out of this conversation, please. You know LITERALLY NOTHING about any of this.

Why are you telling me what to do?
I know a lot about the news and I understand a lot of things.
You can not tell me to stay out of this conversation. I will not stay out of this conversation at all.

 

[Will]

I'll agree there should be more emphasis in the US for Mental Health. I'll give you that

Yes God please, that's like in the Top 3 of reasons why at least something at the very minimum should be done.

I know a lot about the news and I understand a lot of things.

But you don't know much about this topic as we can tell.
Stay if you want, but you'll be a rock that sinks in the river.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Another neighbor found dead this morning and nothing could had been done about it.

This combined with the goddamend shooting that happened makes me hate everything. This whole damn planet more than this hellish city that I can never escape.

Part of me wants Majora's Moon to just come crashing down and wipe out everything. I don't care, I've been patient with this dying planet for a long time and I am ****ing sick of it. Nothing will get better and only a fool will say otherwise.

 

[Deleted member]

He was just joking, I do not have a hatred or fear for long words.

 

[Androobie]

Then encourage him to learn about it on his own time,

Dude, I don’t know how to do that ****. I’m not a teacher.

oh wait **** i am now i completely forgot

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Stay out of this conversation, please. You know LITERALLY NOTHING about any of this.

I wouldn't say he literally knows nothing about it. Back when I went to high school, we did discuss these events when they happened, usually in our Social Studies classes. It's not easy to talk about sure, but knowing nothing isn't a reason to tell him not to be involved.

 

[Will]

Dude, I don’t know how to do that ****. I’m not a teacher.

oh wait **** now i am

I mean if you're telling him to learn about it somewhere else instead of doing it yourself you pretty much are a real teacher.

He was just joking, I do not have a hatred or fear for long words.

That's the joke. That's why it's a reference. The reference involves the same context of a misunderstanding that's made into a joke like how this is a joke.

 

[ChikoLad]

I don't see how that connects. I'd rather be a homeowner with a gun to protect my family than depend on everyone's skill to evade home invaders.

I don't know how big your house is, but mine is only one circle and all it'd take for home invaders to corner me would be 2 people going on either side of it.

But you literally just said that it shouldn't fall on the skill of the homeowner to solely defend his family.

Also I don't think we should depend on the skill of the homeowner for the defense of their family.

How does a gun suddenly make this acceptable to you? A person handling a gun should absolutely be skilled with it.

My house is small-to-medium sized. My two arms stretch about exactly halfway across the room I sit in right now. I don't see how that's relevant though, we can make an endless amount of hypothetical scenarios where I'd have a chance against a break-in or where my fate is sealed from the time the intruders set foot in my garden, with or without my own firearm in both cases. And in all these cases, I'd be arrested for harming my intruders due to the laws in my country anyway, even if I did minimal damage. A gun certainly wouldn't help me here.

 

[Deleted member]

I kind of understand this gun control thing and stuff, do not worry.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Does it really need to be said that making a crime harder to do is an effective deterrent?

You could just remove all the locks from your doors and get rid of your alarms while you're at it; if someone's gonna just break into your house anyway you might as well not bother, amirite?

Guns control only affects guns purchased through legal means while the majority of Gun crimes are committed by people who can't legally own weapons

https://www.politifact.com/new-york...egal-gun-owners-commit-most-gun-crime-rep-fa/

There are tons of guns available through the black market or just passed from hand to hand and impossible for the state to control.