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So as I’ve been playing through ultra moon I’ve been wondering, what is up with your father and who is he? It’s kind of long but not massive but I’ll spoiler it just in case. No story spoilers are mentioned so feel free to read.
At the beginning of the game there’s two interesting pieces connected to him. If you interact with the car in your garage it says it’s your dads car that mom brought here to do grocery shopping. Right off the bat we know your father exists and is on good terms with your mother. They likely aren’t divorced because she has his car and it’s implied they both can use it. You also get your adventure rules from him. This implies he’s a seasoned traveler. But why couldn’t he come with your family? He keeps in touch with your mother too. If you beat the game rottom spouts about 20 new bits of random dialog. One of which says that he heard your mom got a letter from your father and was very happy to receive it. So why didn’t your father come if they are in such a good relationship? Could he be a gym leader or maybe even elite four memeber/champion? Hence why he wouldn’t be able to come. From oras we know you only moved from johto because Norman gets a job as leader there and almost never sees his wife and kid. So could this be the same for your character in usum? Maybe he couldn’t leave his position when your mom wanted to move but is still on good terms with your family. Maybe he’s the reason you got that kanto leader autograph.
Thoughts? It seems like there could be an interesting lore piece but game freak is being low key with it.
 

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I may be late to the party, but hello @Apollo Justice !

I also lurked here before I joined, or at least, in the Smash 4 Social 2.0 back in 2014.

Welcome to the thread!
 

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This conformist behaviour is what leads to these issues being constant. If we simply accept it, it's going to continue there. If something can be improved or fixed then we should aim for that goal.
You think it's an issue, whereas I don't... it's the design they decide to go, and I don't really care about it that much.

I'm not going to respect a design that didn't even respect the character itself
How do you even know Pyra's characteristics in the game when you haven't even play the game at all?
And geez is is those who made wacky fanarts of Pyra having huge busts and **** that should respect the character...
Those fanarts should really stop, I even mention this months ago, right @Blue Hunter Z ?

Because that just means more problems will arise in the future since they believe they can get away with it.
Pyra may not be a dealbreaker but all the other Blades have the same kind of design and that ends up with a huge part of the game being Problematic™
It isn't problematic if those Blades aren't required to complete the game... and is it really ALL other Blades have same kind of design?
Let's see...
Yeah...this is a problem... his suit is literally made out of ice...
Yep, a terrible design right there... feel like a boss from Dark Souls...
Too manly, not good...
No loli and no little girl should have belly buttons exposed...
#Toomanycutegirls
Stolen Genji skin concept from Blizzard, how dare you Nintendo.
No weird looking man should be wielding an ax...
...
This girl literally has her entire tummy gone! Too shocking for children...
NONONONONONO
N-O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A chocobo in Xenoblade, seriously Nintendo?

Edit: Is it me? Or the pic is broken again?
Why do you think the "I fixed Pyra hire me Nintendo" meme even started? Or why this whole debate is going on?
1. The prme reason why meme started was probably because how X had censorship, and while most were ok with Pyra's design and after finding out that XC2 won't get much censorship, that's when the meme started, and meme are memes, they're just parodies. And the original tweet was deleted sadly...
2. Because of some users here talking about the design? Like I if it wasn't because the unlegit and negative opinion regarding the designs (Calling them garbage and bad at first...) This is the problem here...

Just saying it's my opinion doesn't take away the criticism, by this logic I can say that Pyra's design being good is just your opinion so don't say "more skin=better"
I did not say that more skin= better lol... I think... if I did I take back...
-He isn't sexualised
-Official materials depict him wearing clothes
-Not wearing anything is prejudicial
-There's story reasoning for starting like that
-HE ISN'T SEXUALISED
So that's how it is? Having double standards? But that said you do have some fair points.
- Well, what about Mario? And at least Pyra isn't topless like Link lol...
- But you just mention Link running around on his underwear...so... go figure...
- Do you know about Pyra's back story in XC2? i'm pretty sure the game will got to tell more story about Pyra later in the game, so before saying this, PLAY XENOBLADE CHRONICLES 2 FIRST!

And Peri has the same opening in the back of her armor as Effie and every other female character(which males don't have btw!!!!)
Now that's something I think it's cool but also confused too lol.

I never thought Id see my dads main soccer team in XC fanart
And does anyone know who is that dude on the back of Pyra?

The LCD in this case refers to people who just want to ogle scantily-clad female characters. That's the lowest common denominator and it's clearly what they were going for when designing some of the characters. And I'm not making a throwaway Twitter account to get into a debate about lewdness in games.
I agree those who simply wants female characters with scantily designs and don't give a damn about their characteristics are jocks...
That said I again, don't can much about scantily design and I also hope Pyra can have an attitude that everyone can look up to.

Someone can absolutely give their opinion on a character design without buying the game. I'm not wasting sixty bucks on a game for a system I don't even have in a series that isn't my cup of tea to "validate" my opinion of a character design. It's fine that you're fine. But it's also fine that others aren't.
Which means you are literally "Judging a book by its cover" and my analogy on this that you may not agree with is...

It is just like you are criticizing the cuisine saying it is terrible for having a certain ingredient that you don't like but didn't even try out the cuisine

And like I said, the reason why I said go play the game first is because I think it would be easier for us to meet eye to eye on our opinion if we both had played the game

I don't agree that it'd be awful. I'd see it as an improvement on said design.
I also need to clarify that I never mention more skin=good... I never really care about this, whether is more skin, mess skin I don't give a damn...
Let's not forget you are criticizing on ONE character, if this game is like Senran Kagura where every girl has big bust .... then okay, that's a fair criticism. But it seem that Pyra is the only female we will get to see in this game huh?

If you wanna criticize Pyra, please criticize these Blades too, I mean it.

Link is okay because the design has more than a shred of dignity. Pyra's barely wearing clothes at all. Add in the fact that her outfit accentuates her legs, ***, and already-accentuated boobs, and it becomes clear that sex appeal came first with Pyra's design, undermining her worth as a character as little more than eye candy, from what we've seen. And she's literally objectified, being an object used by Rex.
Saying Pyra barely wears clothes is way out of portion, how do you say about those wearing lingerie bikinis? If Pyra's design is literally a piece of swimsuit or on the NSFW territory I do see the point but why is Pyra's design that isn't out of boarder, not NSFW a problem? In my opinion, this is really a personal reference and I don't even...

A proper comparison would be if Link were nude save for a banana-hammock barely concealing his massive junk, highlighting his well-toned butt, and sporting an eight pack.
Bad analogy/comparison, period. I don't I can take you seriously anymore.
You can literally scratch Link off until he only has a piece of swimsuit... so why doesn't that count as sexualized?
Also can you explain this?

This is also something I just want to point out: in medieval times, not everyone could afford armor. Villagers had a breastplate if they were lucky, and most peasants had none. Only nobility had full suits, for the most part. OoT Link comes from a village in the middle of the woods. Chances are he couldn't afford armor.
But when you a lot of rupees... you still don't get an armor...
Also... Xenoblade is obviously not in medieval times, or in the real world... so again sorry to say this but your point on this is invalid.
 
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Winter Soldier and Captain America have a unique level 3 that calls back to Civil War in MvCI.


I wish we had these for more characters like X and Zero, Ultron and Sigma, Gamora and Strider, Dante and Vergil- oh wait.

Besides, if ArcSys does another Jump fighter, it'll probably be One Piece or Naruto, even if JoJo or MHA would be more hype.
Well... why not both?
 
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actual non-jokey take: the difference between, say, kratos and bayonetta is the fantasy of kratos is being him and the fantasy of bayonetta is watching her

obviously there's more nuance to the issue than "horny is bad" but always consider whether or not gratuitous titillation adds anything to the work

(it very rarely does. that's what "gratuitous" means)

objectivication is patronizing at best and immoral at worst
 

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just realized this would've been a better joke if I'd said "stay out of my deviantart". next time I guess
Nah man, Deviantart is supposed to be kept clean of blatant stuff, at least with default filters, folder's correct.

It's the fetishes that are technically safe for work but just plain odd that you have to watch out for on DA.

*EDIT* I guess what was initially described would be DA stuff, I feel like an idiot.

Still would probably find a half a dozen inflated Links first.
 
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Which means you are literally "Judging a book by its cover" and my analogy on this that you may not agree with is...

It is just like you are criticizing the cuisine saying it is terrible for having a certain ingredient that you don't like but didn't even try out the cuisine

And like I said, the reason why I said go play the game first is because I think it would be easier for us to meet eye to eye on our opinion if we both had played the game
Hey man, if you want to spot me about $360 to buy both the game and a Switch, be my guest. Until then though, "play the game" isn't a valid counterpoint.

I don't NEED to play the game to critique a character design that has been all over the game's marketing, so your analogy falls completely flat.


I also need to clarify that I never mention more skin=good... I never really care about this, whether is more skin, mess skin I don't give a damn...
Let's not forget you are criticizing on ONE character, if this game is like Senran Kagura where every girl has big bust .... then okay, that's a fair criticism. But it seem that Pyra is the only female we will get to see in this game huh?

If you wanna criticize Pyra, please criticize these Blades too, I mean it.
It's not only Pyra, but ones like that rabbit one as well. I'm just using Pyra as an example because she illustrates my point. My issue isn't Pyra exclusively. I just know her by name at least.

And it's not even the bustiness that's a big deal...it's the fact that the outfit is tacky and pandering.

Saying Pyra barely wears clothes is way out of portion, how do you say about those wearing lingerie bikinis? If Pyra's design is literally a piece of swimsuit or on the NSFW territory I do see the point but why is Pyra's design that isn't out of boarder, not NSFW a problem? In my opinion, this is really a personal reference and I don't even...
Hell, I'd argue Pyra's design is NSFW by definition. If my boss saw me looking at that, do you know what'd happen? Probably immediate termination for looking at porn on the job, because that's what it looks like to the average non-gamer. Not to mention the social stigma it'd bring with it. It's embarrassing.


Bad analogy/comparison, period. I don't I can take you seriously anymore.
You can literally scratch Link off until he only has a piece of swimsuit... so why doesn't that count as sexualized?
Also can you explain this?
Because those outfits don't sexualize Link. The cloth isn't flush against his junk like Pyra's "shirt" is to her boobs. You can't see Link's butt crack from the back. Link isn't overly-chiseled for masculine eye candy purposes. His shorts are one solid piece and not multiple ribbons revealing half his upper thigh.

My analogy wasn't a bad one, it's the exact amount of sexualization characters like Pyra are currently getting.


But when you a lot of rupees... you still don't get an armor...
Also... Xenoblade is obviously not in medieval times, or in the real world... so again sorry to say this but your point on this is invalid.
You are seriously moving the goalpost here. I gave a reason why Link would theoretically not wear armor. There is zero logical reason for Pyra to be dressed like an exotic stripper. My point isn't invalidated because you didn't understand it.
 
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Hell, I'd argue Pyra's design is NSFW by definition.
heh

I've always thought the term "NSFW" was funny. maybe i'm just a stickler for rules but I would call most websites NSFW. If my boss saw me browsing a forum like smashboards when I was supposed to be working I certainly wouldnt call myself safe!
 

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You know, I really, REALLY want to put my expectations in check, but I'd be lying if I said this tweet didn't get my hopes up, if only slightly.
Sony has also been and still are pumping out a crazy amount of Star Wars Battlefront II commercials despite you-know-what.

I wouldn't take this a great news right now.
 

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I would throw a point into this XC2 debate about female character design and stuff but then I remember what my favourite female anime character looks like in her default outfit and think I probably have just been desensitised to this stuff at this point.
 

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I just don't care. It's a fantasy story

Who cares. The characters are all fictional
 
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Hey man, if you want to spot me about $360 to buy both the game and a Switch, be my guest. Until then though, "play the game" isn't a valid counterpoint.

I don't NEED to play the game to critique a character design that has been all over the game's marketing, so your analogy falls completely flat.
Whatever you will, and by the way, I was initially said you should at least have played any of the past two Xenoblade titles... 2 isn't even out yet.so we all haven't play the game let's just say this point is even for now.

And at least buying Switch you also have other options like Botw, Splatoon 2 and Odyssey. That said, if there's literally 0 games you are interested on Switch that's totally fine.

It's not only Pyra, but ones like that rabbit one as well. I'm just using Pyra as an example because she illustrates my point. My issue isn't Pyra exclusively. I just know her by name at least.

And it's not even the bustiness that's a big deal...it's the fact that the outfit is tacky and pandering.
I can totally understand with that rabbit Tsuki, that said, she's a blade, just don't get her... and I doubt I will get her...

Hell, I'd argue Pyra's design is NSFW by definition. If my boss saw me looking at that, do you know what'd happen? Probably immediate termination for looking at porn on the job, because that's what it looks like to the average non-gamer. Not to mention the social stigma it'd bring with it. It's embarrassing.
Question, why do you even look at anime stuff in your work place? As a student, I never bring my Switch to classroom... not to mention play it...
Therefore you are really stretching this way too far aren't you?

Link's butt crack from the back. Link isn't overly-chiseled for masculine eye candy purposes. His shorts are one solid piece and not multiple ribbons revealing half his upper thigh.

My analogy wasn't a bad one, it's the exact amount of sexualization characters like Pyra are currently getting.
I think Link and Pyra are comparable IF...

Both games have the same ESRB rating,

one rated T, and one rated E 10+
T for Teen
E 10+ for Everyone 10+...
E 10+ can only have suggestive content, where as Teen, SFW sexual content is allowed.
Do you remember how everyone speculated why Tharja trophy was removed in Smash 3DS?

Edit: Gah! Is it the source or the pic uploader is broken again?
That said just go Google and check the boxart., or just go to Nintendo website.

I believe E10+ and T have different regulation when it comes to sexualizing a character. This is just like me comparing Disney classical movies like Big Hero 6 to Guardians of the Galaxy. Both belongs to Disney but have different age restriction...

Botw wouldn't be E10+ if Link were nude save for a banana-hammock barely concealing his massive junk, highlighting his well-toned butt, and sporting an eight pack...

So I think it would be better if you compare game characters that are from games like Fire Emblem or other T rated games...

You are seriously moving the goalpost here. I gave a reason why Link would theoretically not wear armor. There is zero logical reason for Pyra to be dressed like an exotic stripper. My point isn't invalidated because you didn't understand it.
This is a bit unfair since I don't entirely understand Zelda series as a whole but to be fair both Zelda and Xenoblade are in a fantasy world, and you may know Link's background and have thorough explanation but when it comes Pyra... NOPE, who give a damn about her story.... yeah... this is yet to be determined since we don't even know Pyra's background yet.

Your point is still isn't valid because you did successfully explain why Link doesn't wear armor but neglect the fact that Pyra is from a JRPG game that just might have a fair share of backstory.... I think this point we should both wait until any of us finish XC2 story but that's going to take while... so let's just agree to disagree for now plz.
 
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"It's just fiction" is one of the stupidest, laziest arguments one could ever make.

Sony has also been and still are pumping out a crazy amount of Star Wars Battlefront II commercials despite you-know-what.

I wouldn't take this a great news right now.
It's a big game and they have advertising deals for it.

 

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When someone calls you out on being dismissive, making your retort a dismissal that sounds straight out of gamergate is. . .well. . . not something I can recommend.
I'm dismissing your BS feminist crap as BS

Maybe it works in liberal jerk circles but that's not how real life works
 

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I'm dismissing your BS feminist crap as BS

Maybe it works in liberal jerk circles but that's not how real life works
"Feminist crap" and "liberal circle jerk" remind me why I hope the alt-right gets with the times sometime soon.
 
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I'm dismissing your BS feminist crap as BS

Maybe it works in liberal jerk circles but that's not how real life works
So let's review
1. Complete dismissal of points
2. refusal to actually try and have any kind of debate
3. name-dropping Anita Sarkeesian, a common target of Gamergate
3. calling feminism crap
4. "liberal circlejerks"

Crap like this is why Gamergate managed to get so much power, and EXACTLY why discussion of representaion needs to happen.
 
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I might have been able to comfortably accept the "they're video game characters and they're not real" argument if Doki Doki Literature Club didn't exist.

That made me question everything.
 

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I can understand feeling that Pyra's design isn't enough to drive one away from playing Xenoblade 2, as IMO the previous games have set enough of a precedent for uncomfortable designs that if those were acceptable to play then I don't see why Xenoblade 2 suddenly isn't.

Actually going so far as to try to defend Pyra's design on the other hand just confuses the heck out of me.

Dismissing it entirely and borderline accusing the thread of being cucks confuses me several degrees harder.
 
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I might have been able to comfortably accept the "they're video game characters and they're not real" argument if Doki Doki Literature Club didn't exist.

That made me question everything.
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Whatever you will, and by the way, I was initially said you should at least have played any of the past two Xenoblade titles... 2 isn't even out yet.so we all haven't play the game let's just say this point is even for now.

And at least buying Switch you also have other options like Botw, Splatoon 2 and Odyssey. That said, if there's literally 0 games you are interested on Switch that's totally fine.
I did play the first one back in 2012. Wasn't my cup of tea, hence why I'm not gonna buy 2 when I get a Switch. Not for me, really.

I can totally understand with that rabbit Tsuki, that said, she's a blade, just don't get her... and I doubt I will get her...
Ignoring her doesn't change the fact that she exists.

Question, why do you even look at anime stuff in your work place? As a student, I never bring my Switch to classroom... not to mention play it...
Therefore you are really stretching this way too far aren't you?
I don't. I'm saying what would happen if I did. You're moving the goalpost again.

I think Link and Pyra are comparable IF...

Both games have the same ESRB rating,

one rated T, and one rated E 10+
T for Teen
E 10+ for Everyone 10+...
E 10+ can only have suggestive content, where as Teen, SFW sexual content is allowed.
Do you remember how everyone speculated why Tharja trophy was removed in Smash 3DS?

Edit: Gah! Is it the source or the pic uploader is broken again?
That said just go Google and check the boxart., or just go to Nintendo website.

I believe E10+ and T have different regulation when it comes to sexualizing a character. This is just like me comparing Disney classical movies like Big Hero 6 to Guardians of the Galaxy. Both belongs to Disney but have different age restriction...

Botw wouldn't be E10+ if Link were nude save for a banana-hammock barely concealing his massive junk, highlighting his well-toned butt, and sporting an eight pack...

So I think it would be better if you compare game characters that are from games like Fire Emblem or other T rated games...
You're missing the point entirely. Comparing ESRB ratings has nothing to do with the fact that Pyra's outfit is more sexualized than Link's boxer shorts. And for the record, I'd say what I said probably could pass in a T rated game. There's tons of well-defined bulges in T rated games.


This is a bit unfair since I don't entirely understand Zelda series as a whole but to be fair both Zelda and Xenoblade are in a fantasy world, and you may know Link's background and have thorough explanation but when it comes Pyra... NOPE, who give a damn about her story.... yeah... this is yet to be determined since we don't even know Pyra's background yet.

Your point is still isn't valid because you did successfully explain why Link doesn't wear armor but neglect the fact that Pyra is from a JRPG game that just might have a fair share of backstory.... I think this point we should both wait until any of us finish XC2 story but that's going to take while... so let's just agree to disagree for now plz.
But none of that is relevant. Link not wearing armor (ignoring the fact that he wears chainmail in some games btw) isn't comparable to Pyra wearing battle lingerie.
 

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Winter Soldier and Captain America have a unique level 3 that calls back to Civil War in MvCI.


I wish we had these for more characters like X and Zero, Ultron and Sigma, Gamora and Strider, Dante and Vergil- oh wait.



Well... why not both?
If Mega Man and Zero had one, it better be hype as ****. I might not care for Project X Zone like that aside from its sprites and premise(Which should have been a fighter or beat-em-up.)They did have like 4 cool ass supers with the two Maverick Hunters in both games.

Spider-Man and Venom having one would be great too.
 
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