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[Coricus]

Sure, Sheeda's memorable, but doesn't fix most of the issues I have with the game, including the stupid decision that only Marth can visit villages. As a remake, it's terrible as it stayed far too close to the original, changed the character of the main protagonist and looks goddamn ugly. At least the music is absolute bliss. Medeus' SD theme is amazing

Oh, the music is EASILY the best part of that game. I think the old school style remixed enough to make it actually catchy instead of repetitive actually feels fresher than a lot of the orchestra work in Awakening and Fates. The music definitely comes to mind a whole lot faster.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh, the music is EASILY the best part of that game. I think the old school style remixed enough to make it actually catchy instead of repetitive actually feels fresher than a lot of the orchestra work in Awakening and Fates. The music definitely comes to mind a whole lot faster.

The only track that sounded better in the original game was the boss theme though that's because it feels more ominous, so yeah.

 

[powerprotoman]

You aren't wrong, but that's fixed by playstyle. Calling it now, one of the OCs will play with a fighting style similar to Ike and another one will be a Myrmidon style that Lyn could have used. Or a refined rapier style Eirika or Ephraim could use

ill be honest thats prabobly going to happen, but i expected Original characters do not steal showing up because hyrule warriors had them (4 at launch with one more post second version) but thankfully* dlc can add characters from other games

*depends on how thankful your wallets feeling knowing that this is a fact

 

[ChikoLad]

Been playing around with Phoenix.

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All in all it's a really nice figure. Really on model and the accessory selection and alternate hands selection is very robust. I also really like how the shoulder part of his sleeves and the bottom of his jacket are made from a soft, bendable plastic, meaning they move and crease when his limbs move into them.

I do have a few gripes though. His legs feel quite flimsy, making it difficult to have him stand on his own. Normally, this isn't an issue with figma and Nendoroids since there's usually no reason to forego using their stand (unless they can actually stand without it), but with Phoenix here, the peg slot in his back for the stand is also used for the stand that holds the speech bubbles over his head. So you either have him on his stand where you can pose him easily, or you don't and attach his speech bubble stand which also means it's very difficult to pose him and make him stand. I suppose one could easily work around this by creating a separate stand for the speech bubble, but I think one should be included. His hands are also annoying to take off, they grip onto the ball joints a bit too tightly, meaning I feel anxious about putting in too much force when trying to swap them out. And while his spiky hair is perfectly captured, the sheer sharpness of it makes it difficult to secure the different face swaps perfectly. I've got little holes on my hands from trying.

Really enjoy it though, he's such a natural fit for this kind of figure.

 

[Opossum]

If nothing else, this makes roster prediction easier. Prediction time.

OCs: Shion, Lian, OC Villain (Darios? Yuana?), the other one.
Shadow Dragon: Marth, Caeda, Tiki, Merric, Linde, Draug
Awakening: Chrom, Robin, Lucina, Frederick, Tharja, Lissa/Virion
Fates: Corrin, Ryoma, Xander, Azura, Takumi, Camilla

And then for villains, GGG. Gharnef, Gangrel, Garon.

This is assuming it's taking the Hyrule Warriors route of "small but unique" roster like the sword and game comment implies. Even if other characters are added, I still think a decent roster can be made from these three games alone, in a worst case scenario. That being said it covers basically all bases.

Swords: Marth, Chrom, Lucina, Corrin, Ryoma, Xander, Gangrel, Shion, Lian
Axes: Frederick, Camilla, Garon
Lances: Caeda, Draug, Azura
Bows: (Virion), Takumi
Tomes: Merric (Wind), Linde (Light), Robin (Thunder), Tharja (Dark), Gharnef (Dark)
Staves: (Lissa)
Dragonstones: Tiki, Corrin
Hidden Weapons: None (OC?)

It also fills most if not all Fire Emblem archetypes.

Lords: Marth, Chrom, Lucina, Corrin, Shion, Lian
Paladins: Frederick, Xander
Archers: (Virion), Takumi
Clerics: (Lissa)
Mages: Merric, Linde, Robin, Tharja, Gharnef
Pegasus Knights: Caeda
Wyvern Riders: Camilla
Generals: Draug
Swordmasters: Ryoma
Thieves: Gangrel
Manaketes/Dragons/Transforming: Tiki, Corrin
Dancer/Songstress: Azura

And then the OC villain and the other OC can do whatever isn't filled. The only major thing I think is missing is a Fire Mage (come on, Celica DLC...). The reason I have it as Lissa/Virion is this: if Staves, non-combat weapons, are used, then Lissa. If not, then Virion, since two archers is fine and they push him a lot.
RIP class-based game though.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh. Apparently the weapon triangle will be in play
"You get an advantage by attacking an archer with a Pegasus Knight"
That better be a mistranslation...

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

so someone has bad reading comprehension
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/05/3...feature-heroes-shadow-dragon-awakening-fates/

i see the key word here being "MOSTLY" also "largest roster for a collab musos first entry"

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Seems like 'mostly' and 'only' are interchangeable in the context of this case? Really interesting stuff.

 

[ChikoLad]

If nothing else, this makes roster prediction easier. Prediction time.

OCs: Shion, Lian, OC Villain (Darios? Yuana?), the other one.
Shadow Dragon: Marth, Caeda, Tiki, Merric, Linde, Draug
Awakening: Chrom, Robin, Lucina, Frederick, Tharja, Lissa/Virion
Fates: Corrin, Ryoma, Xander, Azura, Takumi, Camilla

And then for villains, GGG. Gharnef, Gangrel, Garon.

This is assuming it's taking the Hyrule Warriors route of "small but unique" roster like the sword and game comment implies. Even if other characters are added, I still think a decent roster can be made from these three games alone, in a worst case scenario. That being said it covers basically all bases.

Swords: Marth, Chrom, Lucina, Corrin, Ryoma, Xander, Gangrel, Shion, Lian
Axes: Frederick, Camilla, Garon
Lances: Caeda, Draug, Azura
Bows: (Virion), Takumi
Tomes: Merric (Wind), Linde (Light), Robin (Thunder), Tharja (Dark), Gharnef (Dark)
Staves: (Lissa)
Dragonstones: Tiki, Corrin
Hidden Weapons: None (OC?)

It also fills most if not all Fire Emblem archetypes.

Lords: Marth, Chrom, Lucina, Corrin, Shion, Lian
Paladins: Frederick, Xander
Archers: (Virion), Takumi
Clerics: (Lissa)
Mages: Merric, Linde, Robin, Tharja, Gharnef
Pegasus Knights: Caeda
Wyvern Riders: Camilla
Generals: Draug
Swordmasters: Ryoma
Thieves: Gangrel
Manaketes/Dragons/Transforming: Tiki, Corrin
Dancer/Songstress: Azura

And then the OC villain and the other OC can do whatever isn't filled. The only major thing I think is missing is a Fire Mage (come on, Celica DLC...). The reason I have it as Lissa/Virion is this: if Staves, non-combat weapons, are used, then Lissa. If not, then Virion, since two archers is fine and they push him a lot.
RIP class-based game though.

It says in the interview that a class system and the weapon triangle will be implemented, so a class-based system is definitely not out of the question.

They might just be going for a smaller roster for no other reason than going for a smaller roster.

Plus Awakening and Fates are recent and the most popular, and Shadow Dragon is classic, so it makes sense they chose those as the main roster pool.

I still think the main characters from some other games will at least be in it at launch, but it will only be them and they may not have a role in the main story.

 

[FalKoopa]

Oh. Apparently the weapon triangle will be in play
"You get an advantage by attacking an archer with a Pegasus Knight"
That better be a mistranslation...

Maybe it's just for scorekeeping.

I don't think it can work in open world combat.

 

[ChikoLad]

Maybe it's just for scorekeeping.

I don't think it can work in open world combat.

Hyrule Warriors already had a "weapon triangle" of sorts, it was tied to weapon elements. If you have element advantage, you deal 30% extra damage IIRC, and you take 30% against your elemental weaknesses. It also wasn't necessarily based on a characters weapon of choice either. Some characters also had an inherent element weakness.

 

[Coricus]

Oh. Apparently the weapon triangle will be in play
"You get an advantage by attacking an archer with a Pegasus Knight"
That better be a mistranslation...

It doesn't have to be a mistranslation. The person could have just misspoke.

Looks like if I end up getting the game and get the opportunity to go full Caeda I'm gonna have to run like mad, though.

. . .Hang on, that actually kind of lowkey confirms those classes have playable reps, doesn't it?

 

[Opossum]

It doesn't have to be a mistranslation. The person could have just misspoke.

Looks like if I end up getting the game and get the opportunity to go full Caeda I'm gonna have to run like mad, though.

. . .Hang on, that actually kind of lowkey confirms those classes have playable reps, doesn't it?

Well I mean, to be fair, Caeda and Takumi are kind of no-brainers considering the games they're pulling from.

That being said it definitely counts as a hint.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It doesn't have to be a mistranslation. The person could have just misspoke.

Looks like if I end up getting the game and get the opportunity to go full Caeda I'm gonna have to run like mad, though.

. . .Hang on, that actually kind of lowkey confirms those classes have playable reps, doesn't it?

It does. Hopefully Virion or Niles are chosen as the Archers, only other Archers I liked are Neimi (Sacred Stones) and Leon

 

[powerprotoman]

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Seems like 'mostly' and 'only' are interchangeable in the context of this case? Really interesting stuff.

no id argue they arnt because only implies no other games would be represented at all as opposed to primarily or mostly which denote a large percent but not everything

 

[Deleted member]

All these FE discussions flooding this thread, it's to wonder why there's not a 4th NintenZone sub-forum dedicated to it.

 

[Coricus]

Also, just gonna slip this in between Fire Emblems. . .apparently Platinum is working on something "interesting" for the Switch.

I guess I can file Platinum under the list of wild card devs alongside Retro. I wonder how many if any of the games we have no idea about will come up at E3. . .the mystery is making me curious LOL.

 

[Opossum]

All these FE discussions flooding this thread, it's to wonder why there's not a 4th NintenZone sub-forum dedicated to it.

You don't know how long I've been pushing for a Fire Emblem subsection.

no id argue they arnt because only implies no other games would be represented at all as opposed to primarily or mostly which denote a large percent but not everything

Even then, if anything I'd imagine it'd only be Ike, Roy, Alm, and Celica due to amiibo compatibility. I wouldn't outright expect anyone outside those three games for the base game though.

 

[Schnee117]

The whole FE:W roster thing is just giving me Berserk Warriors vibes. Except replace Skull Knight/Grunbeld with Ike/Hector/Black Knight etc. and replace Wyald with Tharja and the majority of the Fates cast.

 

[Bestmand902]

Idk if this has been posted before but:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-05-30-whats-keeping-nintendo-from-making-a-new-advance-wars

I dunno what to make of it. It'd be cool if they did go with it but I'll believe it when we have a trailer.

 

[powerprotoman]

wel i did decide to do some digging and with out dlc we can expect at least 21 characters based off of the fact that the collab game with the most characters in its fist entry is dynasty warriors gundam at 20 main gundams (going with this number because muso allstars while being a collab with 30 playable characters is all in house and might not be considered a collab game in house)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Idk if this has been posted before but:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-05-30-whats-keeping-nintendo-from-making-a-new-advance-wars

I dunno what to make of it. It'd be cool if they did go with it but I'll believe it when we have a trailer.

What's keeping Nintendo from making a new one is that they have common sense for once and don't want to make a new game for a bad franchise
*mic drop*

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

no id argue they arnt because only implies no other games would be represented at all as opposed to primarily or mostly which denote a large percent but not everything

He elaborated on it further this twitter thread here:

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Thoughts?

 

[ChikoLad]

On a personal level, only Shadow Dragon, Awakening, and Fates doesn't bother me since I've only played Fates and Echoes so far. I get the frustration though.

At the same time, I also...don't have many characters I want outside of the obvious choices from Fates. Anyone else I want I know is fairly unlikely or has too much competition.

If just one of those kinds of characters makes it in though, I'd feel very happy.

Kinda wish Echoes was represented though, properly I mean. At the very least, I hope they use both Alm and Celica and not just Celica, though unfortunately Alm is difficult to make stand out.

 

[powerprotoman]

He elaborated on it further this twitter thread here:

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Thoughts?

wording is still prety bad hell id argue worse because now it sounds conflicting the only games to be some of the games

 

[Aetheri]

A focus on Awakening gives Tharja and Cordelia better chances to be playable I suppose...(Not holding my breath for Lon'qu tbh)

I can't really imagine them skipping out on the other games entirely especially when we have characters like Ike and Lyn being as popular as they are...Even before the Heroes poll, their popularity was still quite apparent...

Thing is Hyrule Warriors did have a fair amount of sword fighters but they were still mostly different from each other, and even still there were alternate weapons which Fire Emblem units have depending on their classes...

 

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I still have some hope given IS is the best developer when it comes to amiibo useage, but this news killed a lot of my hype...It scares the heck out of me for the next main game when they have to state upfront there will be no marriages in this spin-off title.

I'm more interested than I was/am in Tokyo Mirage Sessions at the very least.

Though this does all but confirm they're going the Hyrule Warriors route of "smaller but more unique roster."

"First two revealed characters wield the exact same sword."

All these FE discussions flooding this thread, it's to wonder why there's not a 4th NintenZone sub-forum dedicated to it.

Gotta take that up with the admins. Us mods already tried last year when Emblemboards was a thing.

 

[Deleted member]

"Fire Emblem Warriors will only have characters from Shadow Dragon, Awakening and Fates. This is to avoid too many characters with swords"
AAAAAAAAND MY INTEREST IN THE GAME ****IN DROPPED
THE LITERAL FIRST TRAILER HINTED AT 5 DIFFERENT SWORDIES
SO MANY UNIQUE CHARACTERS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT GONE
I AM NOT HAPPY IN THE SLIGHTEST

Guess I'll just get Fate/Extella for my Musou game for the Switch
Ugh, this is TMS all over again, didn't they learn it the first time?

so someone has bad reading comprehension
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/05/3...feature-heroes-shadow-dragon-awakening-fates/

i see the key word here being "MOSTLY" also "largest roster for a collab musos first entry"

Hype at 1%

to be fair name 3 main lords who dont wield swords by default, bonus points if hector isnt on the list

Ephraim, Micaiah and Hector. These three are literalky the only ones
You could even have Alm with Bows, Eliwood and Sigurd with Lances, etc but nope, let's just say "2 many swords" and only use the three games who only have sword lords with the most similar fighting styles
Because Lyn's swordfighting is literally the same from Chrom's

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Seems like 'mostly' and 'only' are interchangeable in the context of this case? Really interesting stuff.

Hype is confused
Still not buying it unless I get Hector or Eliwood with 2-meter Durandal as the "minority"

 

[Coricus]

To those of you wondering about Echoes representation, wouldn't FE Warriors have started development a bit late to implement Echoes characters? They had to have been in development at the same time.

 

[Opossum]

Guess I'll just get Fate/Extella for my Musou game for the Switch
Ugh, this is TMS all over again, didn't they learn it the first time?

Hype at 1%

Ephraim, Micaiah and Hector. These three are literalky the only ones
You could even have Alm with Bows, Eliwood and Sigurd with Lances, etc but nope, let's just say "2 many swords" and only use the three games who only have sword lords with the most similar fighting styles
Because Lyn's swordfighting is literally the same from Chrom's

Hype is confused
Still not buying it unless I get Hector or Eliwood with 2-meter Durandal as the "minority"

To be fair, the issue with TMS was a LOT more than just using Shadow Dragon and Awakening characters...like the fact that the teaser trailer was almost completely false advertising.

 

[Bestmand902]

What's keeping Nintendo from making a new one is that they have common sense for once and don't want to make a new game for a bad franchise
*mic drop*

"Nintendo" and "Common Sense" don't really belong in the same sentence though?

 

[Schnee117]

Ugh, this is TMS all over again, didn't they learn it the first time?

TMS' issue is it got announced way too early, like the team didn't even know how they wanted to go about making the game when it got announced

 

[powerprotoman]

To those of you wondering about Echoes representation, wouldn't FE Warriors have started development a bit late to implement Echoes characters? They had to have been in development at the same time.

well no its a remake so only like 2 characters wouldnt be viable

 

[Opossum]

To those of you wondering about Echoes representation, wouldn't FE Warriors have started development a bit late to implement Echoes characters? They had to have been in development at the same time.

Shadows of Valentia started development in 2015 once Fates released in Japan, IIRC. That's more than enough time to give Tecmo Koei the heads up.

 

[powerprotoman]

Oh i just noticed something that intresting, in the scan showing off the ocs we see a pic of a cutscene where all 4 currently known os are running and Fem blonde OC appears to be weilding a spear

 

[ChikoLad]

To those of you wondering about Echoes representation, wouldn't FE Warriors have started development a bit late to implement Echoes characters? They had to have been in development at the same time.

It would depend on when they solidified the redesigns for the characters.

They could definitely be DLC though. Alm and Celica could probably still be incorporated as bonus characters, at least.

 

[Coricus]

Nintendo and Common Sense don't really belong in the same sentence though?

They did say for once, didn't they?

TBF a lot of the franchises that people complain about Nintendo being "stupid" for not making are sub-million sellers, Advance Wars included. Fire Emblem was basically down to an ultimatum when it pulled through because it was selling the same way, but now it sells closer to the 1-2 million mark. Since making a new IP didn't work and Intelligent Systems likely doesn't just want to churn out the same game forever, it makes sense that eyes are slowly turning to their other absurdly long runner and wondering how they can get it to sell. I doubt Advance Wars fans will be happy that the conclusion was that the problem was a lack of character relationships though, LOL.

As for Nintendo's crazy, the good news is that A. They're rapidly trying to do better even if it's not flawless and B. A lot of the crazy isn't really. . .easily replicated. Star Fox Zero was a product of desperation to justify the Wii U that the Switch's defining gimmick doesn't need and Metroid Prime Federation Force was backed up constipation from the DS era. We're not likely to see either of those situations again.

Looking at the Switch, despite 1-2-Switch's appearances and the fact that it's price is higher than people are willing to pay for it, it actually DOES have casual appeal. And ARMS is attempting to dodge appeal issues by replicating the Splatoon Testfire structure, which seems to be working to an extent seeing as despite a lot of people giving up on it there are also a whole ton of people who wrote off ARMS who are suddenly buying it.

 

[Bestmand902]

They did say for once, didn't they?

TBF a lot of the franchises that people complain about Nintendo being "stupid" for not making are sub-million sellers, Advance Wars included. Fire Emblem was basically down to an ultimatum when it pulled through because it was selling the same way, but now it sells closer to the 1-2 million mark. Since making a new IP didn't work and Intelligent Systems likely doesn't just want to churn out the same game forever, it makes sense that eyes are slowly turning to their other absurdly long runner and wondering how they can get it to sell. I doubt Advance Wars fans will be happy that the conclusion was that the problem was a lack of character relationships though, LOL.

As for Nintendo's crazy, the good news is that A. They're rapidly trying to do better even if it's not flawless and B. A lot of the crazy isn't really. . .easily replicated. Star Fox Zero was a product of desperation to justify the Wii U that the Switch's defining gimmick doesn't need and Metroid Prime Federation Force was backed up constipation from the DS era. We're not likely to see either of those situations again.

Looking at the Switch, despite 1-2-Switch's appearances and the fact that it's price is higher than people are willing to pay for it, it actually DOES have casual appeal. And ARMS is attempting to dodge appeal issues by replicating the Splatoon Testfire structure, which seems to be working to an extent seeing as despite a lot of people giving up on it there are also a whole ton of people who wrote off ARMS who are suddenly buying it.

I'm just making a joke, I didn't really mean they're stupid. Though I do see what you mean by them getting better, I am legit excited for ARMS and I do appreciate their effort to at least try and make new franchises

 

[ChikoLad]

Marvel VS Capcom Infinite is looking great guys.

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Also some more poses I set up.

 

[Deleted member]

When Genny tanks 80% of the map

Also, have I mentioned I'm in love with Kamui's facial expressions?

Subtext? Pants? And I thought Alucard was the perverted one!

Don't talk to me or my son ever again
yare yare daze

They look stupid
At least Lana was cute.
Gonna wait for the OC villains, maybe their hair will look better

The color of their hair reminds of yellow shaved ice.

 

[Geno Boost]

i am half way done from modeling Harry from teleroboxer

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