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[LancerStaff]

I think the best case scenario for Smash on Switch is to make an iterative sequel.

That is, they keep most of the content from 3DS to Wii U, but have enough major new content (more than just characters and stages) to make it feel like it's the old games plus a sequel worth of new content, therefore justifying selling it as a new game. This way, they sell units and Switch consoles, but 3DS/Wii U owners won't feel ripped off since they have a whole new game worth of content, PLUS the old stuff packed in for free.

Dissidia did this on the PSP when Dissidia 012 was released, and it worked really well. I think such a format is perfect for Smash going forward.

Ugh, please no. Smash 4 needs some major reworks... Something more then what a cheap port could do at least.

That'd be more disappointing then the Wii U not getting it's own exclusive Zelda.

 

[A Distant Demon]

So I've been watching 2005 RAW episodes and I just got to Survivor Series and wow it's kind of amazing how intense the Smackdown vs RAW feud was back then (it was also the first one I believe).

I JUST watched this and the actual match itself as a suggestion from r/SquaredCircle about a week ago

Compare all of the fighting from this promo to this one where we haven't even seen a single person head to another show and neither of the teams seem to have any level of teamwork. Great match too btw other than a silly ending.

The best Randy is also in both of them

 

[ChikoLad]

Ugh, please no. Smash 4 needs some major reworks... Something more then what a cheap port could do at least.

That'd be more disappointing then the Wii U not getting it's own exclusive Zelda.

Rebalancing could also fit into the equation. Dissidia 012 did this too.

 

[Burruni]

Then you'd think they'd be at least slightly angry about a re-release unless it has enough new content to justify it. We don't know how much content it might have, but there shouldn't be such anticipation over a glorified port.

That's not the point.
We don't know about what new content there is.
To fly off the handle saying this is the start of ninty going AAA micro transactions is just unneeded.

 

[MF Viewtiful]

Smash Switch would at least get eyes and wallets interested in the new platform. New content would be cool too, though I doubt much if anything would be added.

Never forget that Nintendo is a corporation that only is obligated to provide what is listed on the box you paid for. You ain't entitled to any exclusive Switch content just cause you bought the wii u version.

 

[Jaedrik]

Well, guys...

I'm pretty tired and I'm still terrified and disgusted, but I'm trying to think positive, give Trump a chance to change my mind about him.

I just want what's best for everybody. We're all humans. I don't like hate of anyone. Not everyone is the same. And not everyone can be classified as a certain label whatever that label is.

This is a time for our nation to just try to heal from one of it's ugliest elections in years.

We have to come together as a people and try to love one another as neighbors, I know it's gonna be hard with the campaign that was run by our President-Elect, but I believe even he realizes that now that he will hold office, he has to bring every American citizen together, not just his prominently white rural fanbase.

It's going to be okay. At least I hope.

I love the sentiment, and I agree.

But, I think it goes a lot deeper than this being ugly. The deep state is still in power, and that means... we've got a long way to go. The sad thing about democracy is that they really don't have to bring everyone together. In fact, they usually only have to bring the oligarchs and vested interests together. Yet, the tyranny of the majority is still a tyranny, and rulers do not need full consent to force their rule.

Maybe a swamp will get drained. It's useless, however, and will accomplish nothing if we are despondent and fearful, so we must trust ourselves to hope and courage.

It's a victory for whistle-blowers like Assange, compared to the alternative, at the least.

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Bob is 10/10 laughs though:

 

[LancerStaff]

Rebalancing could also fit into the equation. Dissidia 012 did this too.

Not just rebalancing. I mean reworking fundamental mechanics... Such as not having safety and combo potential tied together in a monstrosity that makes Gen 1's Special stat look tame.

 

[praline]

Then you'd think they'd be at least slightly angry about a re-release unless it has enough new content to justify it. We don't know how much content it might have, but there shouldn't be such anticipation over a glorified port.

We're not saying the port would be the same thing with like 3 characters and that's it. We assume it'd have more than just that.

 

[Jaedrik]

Not just rebalancing. I mean reworking fundamental mechanics... Such as not having safety and combo potential tied together in a monstrosity that makes Gen 1's Special stat look tame.

Again, I'd like a version select sort of thing. 64 mode, Melee mode, maybe even (shudder) Brawl mode. Change the fundamental mechanics. GIVE OPTIONS TO PLAYERS.
Edit: I'd also like if Nintendo relaxed their Intellectual Property Regime and let us mod their stuff like all the cool western devs~

 

[ChikoLad]

Not just rebalancing. I mean reworking fundamental mechanics... Such as not having safety and combo potential tied together in a monstrosity that makes Gen 1's Special stat look tame.

Which Dissidia 012 also did.

Hell, fans did this to Brawl. It doesn't require building the engine from scratch. Stuff like this is EXACTLY what an iterative sequel is for.

 

[Coricus]

We're not saying the port would be the same thing with like 3 characters and that's it. We assume it'd have more than just that.

. . .Well some people are.

I don't think so, though, with how much they slipped in with DLC and the fact that they're taking the Ballot into account I'm guessing it's going to be something akin to what Emily Rogers said about Mario Kart and Splatoon, even if she doesn't seem to know for sure whether or not Smash will also fall into that herself. Blurring the lines between a port and a sequel.

You can't call them sequels because half the content is old. You can't call them ports because half the content is new. . .

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Im sorry I zoned out, whats going on here again? Imma confused

 

[praline]

Im sorry I zoned out, whats going on here again? Imma confused

A guy complaining about the thought of a smash port with added stuff on the switch

 

[LancerStaff]

We're not saying the port would be the same thing with like 3 characters and that's it. We assume it'd have more than just that.

No, people definitely said that. Opossum did.

Again, I'd like a version select sort of thing. 64 mode, Melee mode, maybe even (shudder) Brawl mode. Change the fundamental mechanics. GIVE OPTIONS TO PLAYERS.
Edit: I'd also like if Nintendo relaxed their Intellectual Property Regime and let us mod their stuff like all the cool western devs~

They wouldn't do any of that... Smash is an IP nightmare and they'd never be able to get everybody on board with modding, and they'd never make a Melee mode because as far as they're concerned whatever they come up with is superior.

Which Dissidia 012 also did.

Hell, fans did this to Brawl. It doesn't require building the engine from scratch. Stuff like this is EXACTLY what an iterative sequel is for.

I don't see them making any major changes without Sakurai, and if he had heard anything about an updated port on Switch he'd be on that like stink on cheese. Smash 4 is his baby.

He wouldn't leave for a few months just to return to essentially the same project either. There really hasn't been enough time for a total overhaul, either.

If it was anything like you said, there wouldn't be any argument here. Realistically I don't think that's happening any time soon... So yeah.

 

[praline]

No, people definitely said that. Opossum did.



They wouldn't do any of that... Smash is an IP nightmare and they'd never be able to get everybody on board with modding, and they'd never make a Melee mode because as far as they're concerned whatever they come up with is superior.



I don't see them making any major changes without Sakurai, and if he had heard anything about an updated port on Switch he'd be on that like stink on cheese. Smash 4 is his baby.

He wouldn't leave for a few months just to return to essentially the same project either. There really hasn't been enough time for a total overhaul, either.

If it was anything like you said, there wouldn't be any argument here. Realistically I don't think that's happening any time soon... So yeah.

Oh well that's what I meant. lol

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

People are seriously still discussing this?

Better than the election doomsday nothing.

 

[ChikoLad]

No, people definitely said that. Opossum did.



They wouldn't do any of that... Smash is an IP nightmare and they'd never be able to get everybody on board with modding, and they'd never make a Melee mode because as far as they're concerned whatever they come up with is superior.



I don't see them making any major changes without Sakurai, and if he had heard anything about an updated port on Switch he'd be on that like stink on cheese. Smash 4 is his baby.

He wouldn't leave for a few months just to return to essentially the same project either. There really hasn't been enough time for a total overhaul, either.

If it was anything like you said, there wouldn't be any argument here. Realistically I don't think that's happening any time soon... So yeah.

I never said anything about Sakurai's involvement. You said that you want mechanics changes. I said that's perfectly feasible with an iterative sequel and doesn't require making a new engine.

 

[Aetheri]

Yeah, but each Pokémon actually is a new game, with hundreds of new Pokémon, locations and other stuff. That's the main difference: the Pokémon games are more than just the same game re-released.

I wasn't referring to successive games, I was referring to the different versions for each game...Other than the third versions (which are indeed separate versions) mainline Pokemon games are always sold with two versions per game, each one has minimal content differing between both versions...According to the game's slogan in order to catch them all you either have to trade or get both versions of the game...(also doesn't help that there's only one save file per game so if people want to keep what they got but want to replay the game they have to get another copy)

Third versions always sold relatively poorly... If that's a snide remark about the remakes remember that some people really like to go through the story.

See above, I was talking about different versions for each game not specifically the singular third version (which Pokemon hasn't done since Platinum anyway)

I know a lot of people like to playthrough the game's story hence why remakes and VC ports are a thing (Pokemon Remakes also sell even worse btw)

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My point was despite there's a fair number of players that will buy both versions of each game to get what little the other offers, most of the time it's just exclusive pokemon...
My initial point regarding Smash is people still want new content added...if a Switch port of Smash Wii U includes all content from the 3DS, DLC, and especially includes additional content people will still be willing to buy it...

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

My thoughts on Smash Switch:

Gimme Ice Climbers ~ I'll pay $40

Gimme Wolf ~ I'll pay $50

Gimme Snake ~ I'll pay whatever the hell they want

I just want 'im back

 

[Deleted member]

While I'll probably still buy it, I find the idea of a Smash 4 Switch port to be underwhelming.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Gimme Snake ~ I'll pay whatever the hell they want

I just want 'im back

Tell that Konami, or shall I say what used to be their dignity.

Even Crapcom is a better company than them these days.

 

[Chrono.]

Yeah, it's like night and day compared to the current one.

Like, there's some high stakes but the brands haven't really interacted that much with each other, and they only have one week to change that.

Hopefully we get less "internal struggle" and more "brand invasion" by next year.

This year was too forced (though the teams themselves are good).

 

[A Distant Demon]

My views have pretty much stayed the same for Smash Switch port.

If we get a **** ton of content I might pick it up

If we get a smidge no way in hell am I buying it especially with none of the characters I want being even remotely likely.



But if we don't even get a real sequel for the system I will be dissapointed as ****.

 

[Schnee117]

Gimme Snake ~ I'll pay whatever the hell they want

I just want 'im back

Chuck in MGRR music and I'll take 8.

 

[Jaedrik]

Not giving the consumer what they want
smh anybody who ever goes in business ever

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Just saw a girl with

As a tattoo. Gave her a compliment.

I'm only 10 years older than her...

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Tell that Konami, or shall I say what used to be their dignity.

Even Crapcom is a better company than them these days.

This to be honest.

They'll probably be a **** and give us the protagonist of Not!Metal Gear Solid just to show how much they "love" their fanbase.

 

[Burruni]

I still am going to be very very very very upset if proper Ganon isn't what we face in Breath of the Wild.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Honestly, I don't know what exactly will convince me to pick up Smash Switch outside of upgrading, but it probably has to be worth my while.

 

[LancerStaff]

I never said anything about Sakurai's involvement. You said that you want mechanics changes. I said that's perfectly feasible with an iterative sequel and doesn't require making a new engine.

No, but it's very incredibly almost certainly likely that Sakurai would be on the project between his devotion to the series and Nintendo's respect for it's leading developers. And all signs point to Sakurai not working on it.

Never said it wasn't possible on the same engine. But I've been talking about the potential Smash port that, if they intend on releasing it any time soon, won't have a significant amount of content or changes.

I wasn't referring to successive games, I was referring to the different versions for each game...Other than the third versions (which are indeed separate versions) mainline Pokemon games are always sold with two versions per game, each one has minimal content differing between both versions...According to the game's slogan in order to catch them all you either have to trade or get both versions of the game...(also doesn't help that there's only one save file per game so if people want to keep what they got but want to replay the game they have to get another copy)


See above, I was talking about different versions for each game not specifically the singular third version (which Pokemon hasn't done since Platinum anyway)

I know a lot of people like to playthrough the game's story hence why remakes and VC ports are a thing (Pokemon Remakes also sell even worse btw)

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My point was despite there's a fair number of players that will buy both versions of each game to get what little the other offers, most of the time it's just exclusive pokemon...
My initial point regarding Smash is people still want new content added...if a Switch port of Smash Wii U includes all content from the 3DS, DLC, and especially includes additional content people will still be willing to buy it...

That's completely different and also wrong.
https://m.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/4kjztn/pokemon_sales_per_game/
They dropped third versions because they didn't sell.

Having two versions where you don't get anything major exclusive to one version, and very clearly defining what each version has, is not the same as charging 60$ for new characters several years after the fact. Just because some maniacs buy both doesn't mean everybody does... Similarly that doesn't mean Wii U owners would get the Switch Smash 4. I'd argue most would just mod their Wii Us instead.

 

[powerprotoman]

on smash switch i can see a minimum of 5 characters....granted 4 are the cut characters from brawl not named snake and 1 is the inklings but you minimum of 5 "new" characters maximum of 30... why 30? because it give me a nice and large range to be right with,

also the reason i think squirtle and ivysaur would get brought back is well they along side wolf and the ice climbers already have a lot of stuff they can use as a base really if i wasnt so sure they would use the inkings to sell this new version of smash id have put the minimum to 4 characters

 

[Deleted member]

People still believe Squirtle and Ivysaur could come back?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Just saw a girl with

As a tattoo. Gave her a compliment.

Where is she
I need her

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

LOL Even the Dragon Ball Z voice actors are salty over the election.

At least it wasn't Goku Black who's leading us.

 

[Radical Bones]

I know MK8 has added at least one character, and Splatoon is getting new content (at least hairstyles), but I'm hesitant to hope for anything for Smash.

I cant believe there's a possibility of me owning 3 copies of Smash 4.

My gosh I waste my money.

 

[ChikoLad]

No, but it's very incredibly almost certainly likely that Sakurai would be on the project between his devotion to the series and Nintendo's respect for it's leading developers. And all signs point to Sakurai not working on it.

Never said it wasn't possible on the same engine. But I've been talking about the potential Smash port that, if they intend on releasing it any time soon, won't have a significant amount of content or changes.



That's completely different and also wrong.
https://m.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/4kjztn/pokemon_sales_per_game/
They dropped third versions because they didn't sell.

Having two versions where you don't get anything major exclusive to one version, and very clearly defining what each version has, is not the same as charging 60$ for new characters several years after the fact. Just because some maniacs buy both doesn't mean everybody does... Similarly that doesn't mean Wii U owners would get the Switch Smash 4. I'd argue most would just mod their Wii Us instead.

Whether or not Sakurai is on the team has nothing to do with my point though.

An iterative sequel can be done with or without him. There's no point trying to guess whether or not he's working on it and how much they can do. We don't know either of these for certain.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Where is she
I need her

I got first dibs.

I'll lick her to claim dibs

 

[Wario Bros.]

Outside of characters, I wouldn't mind the 3DS stages being thrown in too (but with upgraded graphics).

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I got first dibs.

I'll lick her to claim dibs

bruh, how could you do this?

 

[praline]

I know MK8 has added at least one character, and Splatoon is getting new content (at least hairstyles), but I'm hesitant to hope for anything for Smash.

I cant believe there's a possibility of me owning 3 copies of Smash 4.

My gosh I waste my money.

Splatoon also has pants options now