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[Opossum]

All I'll say is that if a Fire Emblem character gets cut, it's not gonna be Marth, Ike, Robin, or Corrin, no matter how much some people want the latter to be cut. If Sakurai is once again keen on bringing back as many as he can (assuming he'll make the next Smash), Roy and Lucina are on the chopping block first.

 

[Z25]

All I'll say is that if a Fire Emblem character gets cut, it's not gonna be Marth, Ike, Robin, or Corrin, no matter how much some people want the latter to be cut. If Sakurai is once again keen on bringing back as many as he can (assuming he'll make the next Smash), Roy and Lucina are on the chopping block first.

Which would suck as I love Roy, but it at leas makes sense. At the very least, I/d want them to try the alt thing again. It could work if they made the right adjustments imo.

 

[Champ Gold]

I feel like the only reason I give Lucina a better chance is due to popularity.

As of right now, she's still a popular FE character and lord. I should give Robin a better chance but Sakurai has cut fighters who have original movesets before or didn't get back in due to time restraints.

 

[BluePikmin11]

She's popular, but she's easily expendable for another clone, just like Wolf.

 

[ChikoLad]

Isn't Lucina like, Fire Emblem's Lucario?

As in one of the more popular Fire Emblem characters that Intelligent Systems tend to promote a lot? I'm not sure if I would see her getting cut unless Sakurai himself doesn't wish to keep her.....

To be fair, you could say this about Chrom, Robin, Corrin, and Azura too.

It just kinda feels like these 5 are the "new poster characters" right now because they are really recent, we can't truly say if they will stand the test of time yet.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If I were in Sakurai's shoes and I could bring back as many veterans as possible, I'd honestly focus on the unique ones, though I admit I'd give Lucina a brand new moveset based on Skills and her Great Lord model as it has a shield

 

[Curious Villager]

To be fair, you could say this about Chrom, Robin, Corrin, and Azura too.

It just kinda feels like these 5 are the "new poster characters" right now because they are really recent, we can't truly say if they will stand the test of time yet.

I'm not quite as sure yet on Robin since he seems to only be used for games that make use of the amiibo feature. If not than Intelligent systems usually just sticks with Lucina and Chrom when it comes to promotion. Other than that, I suppose I see your point. We probably have to wait a little further on how Lucina's popularity holds up between now and Smash 5.

 

[ChikoLad]

I mean I've been playing Fates and Lucina can use Spear type weapons in that at least.

Ironically, the Lucina in Fates isn't even the real Lucina from Awakening to begin with, but SPECIFICALLY the Smash, "trophy brought to life" version. So yeah if she comes back next game, giving her some moves with a spear would make a lot of sense IMO.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

To be fair, you could say this about Chrom, Robin, Corrin, and Azura too.

It just kinda feels like these 5 are the "new poster characters" right now because they are really recent, we can't truly say if they will stand the test of time yet.

All those characters are protagonists who are involved in the plots of their games. I don't think they could really be compared to Lucario who you could possibly only encounter once in a gym battle

She's popular, but she's easily expendable for another clone, just like Wolf.

Either this is bad wording or you're saying Wolf and Lucina could be replaced by a different clone. That makes no ****ing sense

 

[Coricus]

I think I should just point out that the fandom DID try to predict who would be cut based off of who was "relevant" at the time, and it didn't work. Most of the characters had reasons other than relevancy for being removed, while all the characters that were speculated to be cut SOLELY because they were irrelevant ended up coming back.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

She's popular, but she's easily expendable for another clone, just like Wolf.

Wolf is not a clone.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Here's the 4 new renders i've made for Smash mods, I'll be individually talking about each of them today! pic.twitter.com/TA9ZmK5rSf

— Nibroc.Rock (@NibrocRock) June 11, 2016

Classic Sonic's render looks great.
Also Sonic-Man, 10/10 best mod.

 

[Champ Gold]

I think I should just point out that the fandom DID try to predict who would be cut based off of who was "relevant" at the time, and it didn't work. Most of the characters had reasons other than relevancy for being removed, while all the characters that were speculated to be cut SOLELY because they were irrelevant ended up coming back.

Ike and Toon Link were the kings of that.

That and Wolf fanboys arguing that Wolf was more important than Falco. A character who don't even the main villain is somehow more important than the main character who has been there from the beginning

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

I never realized how how hot some SMT protagonists were until now. Sure there's Raidou and Flynn, but the Strange Journey protagonist just wears a golden helmet for most of his damn journey.

Geno, one of the most likeliest characters? Really?

Do people suddenly believe for a moment that Square would even remotely be on board with having him in Smash even though it has absolutely no benefit for them?

Am I missing something here?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

A character who don't even the main villain

ITT: My inner Grammar Nazi is being tested

 

[ChikoLad]

All those characters are protagonists who are involved in the plots of their games. I don't think they could really be compared to Lucario who you could possibly only encounter once in a gym battle

Either this is bad wording or you're saying Wolf and Lucina could be replaced by a different clone. That makes no ****ing sense

That's really besides the point.

My point is that Lucina, Robin, Chrom, Corrin, and Azura, are not comparable to say, Lucario and Rosalina just yet.

They all feel similar in the sense that "they show up in almost every game/feel like new iconic mascots for promotion" and all that, but the difference between those 5 FE characters and Lucario/Rosalina is that the former have only had two releases in their own franchise in the span of their existence (looking at Fates as one game in this case because having two different versions of the same game doesn't really change anything since they released at the same time...plus they literally are one game if you get the Special Edition). We can't say for sure right now whether or not they will be used this way in the long term, they could easily become like Ike or Roy in coming years as more games come out, and they get replaced by whatever the next protagonist is.

Characters like Lucario and Rosalina are different because they've been here for around a decade now and their prominence and usage in games and promotional material has only gone up since they debuted and they haven't really gone away. If a character is still being used prominently for promotion a decade after then that's a sure sign they are here to stay. They also exist in a franchise where the main protagonist/mascot hasn't changed, and they are simply really popular characters that appear as part of the "main cast".

 

[A Distant Demon]

I put down Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep (critical mode)because reasons


come back later after watching Casino Royale. . .I had managed to make it through 3 rooms. Game is so easy it plays itself!

 

[Coricus]

Ike and Toon Link were the kings of that.

That and Wolf fanboys arguing that Wolf was more important than Falco. A character who don't even the main villain is somehow more important than the main character who has been there from the beginning

Well, I always heard them arguing that solely on the basis that Wolf had a more unique moveset. At least, IIRC.

Falco had been in more Smash games though, so I figured if they could only keep one they would probably keep Falco because he had seniority.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That's really besides the point.

My point is that Lucina, Robin, Chrom, Corrin, and Azura, are not comparable to say, Lucario and Rosalina just yet.

They all feel similar in the sense that "they show up in almost every game/feel like new iconic mascots for promotion" and all that, but the difference between those 5 FE characters and Lucario/Rosalina is that the former have only had two releases in their own franchise in the span of their existence (looking at Fates as one game in this case because having two different versions of the same game doesn't really change anything since they released at the same time...plus they literally are one game if you get the Special Edition). We can't say for sure right now whether or not they will be used this way in the long term, they could easily become like Ike or Roy in coming years as more games come out, and they get replaced by whatever the next protagonist is.

Characters like Lucario and Rosalina are different because they've been here for around a decade now and their prominence and usage in games and promotional material has only gone up since they debuted and they haven't really gone away. If a character is still being used prominently for promotion a decade after then that's a sure sign they are here to stay.

In that case I misunderstood you. I thought you meant the characters you listed were like Lucario. Though now that I think about it, Lucina could apply as she got in PXZ2, with Chrom added there

 

[Curious Villager]

Ike and Toon Link were the kings of that.

Toon Link had Spirit Tracks and his then upcoming HD remake of the Wind Waker. And Ike, well at least he had that DLC in Awakening. I believe Lucario was also thrown in the mix who did also receive a Mega in Gen 6.

These characters did have some sort of activity between Brawl and Smash 4 being fair.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The thing is, Lucina would still be fine with me if reduced to an alt. Not that that's a realistic thing unless Sakurai no longer is making the next game. She didn't gain any new techniques at all that makes her feel unique enough. Dark Pit has actual different moves, and so does Dr. Mario. They make far less sense to be alts.

But yes, I do agree that Roy and Lucina are the most likely cuts. Also, I feel like Ike is the Lucario of Fire Emblem. Immensely popular, not the "main" character of the series as a whole, starred in a major media item(Ike in his two games, and Lucario in the movie), effectively a poster boy lately for a lot of stuff... but to be fair, it isn't a perfect comparison, and I'm not talking about their abilities. XD

It'll be interesting what new characters are announced for the next overall Smash game(the real Smash 5, as in not a Smash 4 port/improved port for the NX).

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Well, I always heard them arguing that solely on the basis that Wolf had a more unique moveset. At least, IIRC.

Pretty much that. Falco fans argued Falco was more likely due to his seniority and Smash popularity.

 

[Chrono.]

Dark Pit is the only one I can see getting cut.

Mostly because I imagine he's rock bottom when it comes to priority.

Oh and Cloud because... **** man.

 

[Coricus]

Toon Link had Spirit Tracks and his then upcoming HD remake of the Wind Waker. And Ike, well at least he had that DLC in Awakening. I believe Lucario was also thrown in the mix who did also receive a Mega in Gen 6.

These characters did have some sort of activity between Brawl and Smash 4 being fair.

Well people argued that Mr. Game and Watch and R.O.B. would be removed because of irrelevancy too.

Which in retrospect was kind of odd of them considering they weren't relevant when they were added in the first place, but I feel like I remember that being argued.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, I always heard them arguing that solely on the basis that Wolf had a more unique moveset. At least, IIRC.

Falco had been in more Smash games though, so I figured if they could only keep one they would probably keep Falco because he had seniority.

It makes sense for either to be cut or kept. They both have their merits. It's not really fanboyism as realizing both have good arguments to be kept and to be cut, that's all.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm rusty with my Smash speculation skills.

I feel old when you guys try to correct me, at least be nicer with responses.

Anyways, I'll be more clear. Roy and Lucina can easily be replaced by another recent FE character when the next Smash comes, specifically for the base game.

 

[Curious Villager]

Well people argued that Mr. Game and Watch and R.O.B. would be removed because of irrelevancy too.

Which in retrospect was kind of odd of them considering they weren't relevant when they were added in the first place, but I feel like I remember that being argued.

Considering those two where included as Retro choices, now that's just silly. Then again, I wouldn't be too surprised if there where some people who really thought they had a low chance, especially R.O.B.....

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Dark Pit is the only one I can see getting cut.

Mostly because I imagine he's rock bottom when it comes to priority.

Ah Dark Pit. I don't know whether or not he's going to be cut, but I do know if he ends up being cut, there will be little backlash just like how there was little backlash when Pichu, Young Link and Doctor Mario got cut from Brawl.

 

[Z25]

It's not a Nintendo Direct leak, but we have terrible paper leaks for E3 again lol.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Anyways, I'll be more clear. Roy and Lucina can easily be replaced by another recent FE character when the next Smash comes, specifically for the base game.

It was moreso a discussion of IF someone had to gdt cut, which FE character would sooner get the axe?

I also realized I never gave my thoughts on Iwanko or Narkoala. Iwanko is okay, but I love Narkoala already

 

[Chrono.]

It's not a Nintendo Direct leak, but we have terrible paper leaks for E3 again lol.

5 moves?

What's next, triple types?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm rusty with my Smash speculation skills.

I feel old when you guys try to correct me, at least be nicer with responses.

Anyways, I'll be more clear. Roy and Lucina can easily be replaced by another recent FE character when the next Smash comes, specifically for the base game.

They won't be replaced. We have only had one replacement and that was Toon Link.

Even then, it was mainly an update to the character as Young Link and Toon Link are essentially the same character in that they are younger links. There will never be A new version of Roy or a new version of Lucina. They will just be Roy and Lucina.

If they are gone, they will just be gone. There will be no replacements.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Guys. I think I'm stuck in a one of a kind situation. I'm stuck between what name I want for when I transition

 

[Champ Gold]

After Relax Alax Super Smash Facts video, I can't call Wolf original now.


When he has moves from other characters and variations of Fox moves plus a similar final smash to Fox/Falco, he's just a much as a clone as most characters.

Hell calling Lucas a clone is insulting to most people. Most of these characters are clones, it's just the matter of how unique they are from their original characters they are based from



Well except for Luigi

 

[Schnee117]

It's not a Nintendo Direct leak, but we have terrible paper leaks for E3 again lol.

That's when you know it's that time again when the "sheet of paper with Nintendo stuff on it that sounds BS" starts happening.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I have a question for you guys who like to speculate. I might sound stupid.

Do you ever feel happy trying to "win" a Smash speculation argument?

Sometimes, I feel Smash arguments is the only "food" you guys have to survive life.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

After Relax Alax Super Smash Facts video, I can't call Wolf original now.


When he has moves from other characters and variations of Fox moves plus a similar final smash to Fox/Falco, he's just a much as a clone as most characters.

Hell calling Lucas a clone is insulting to most people. Most of these characters are clones, it's just the matter of how unique they are from their original characters they are based from



Well except for Luigi

How exactly are most of his moves just variations of Food X' moves?

 

[Ura]

Great, roster cut talk now. This can only go so well..

After Relax Alax Super Smash Facts video, I can't call Wolf original now.


When he has moves from other characters and variations of Fox moves plus a similar final smash to Fox/Falco, he's just a much as a clone as most characters.

Hell calling Lucas a clone is insulting to most people. Most of these characters are clones, it's just the matter of how unique they are from their original characters they are based from



Well except for Luigi

Clones yes but different clones are not the same in terms of similarities to their originators. When someone is going to try to compare Dr. Mario and Wolf because "they're both clones" then i'm going to have to call that BS out.

 

[Chandeelure]

Ironically, the Lucina in Fates isn't even the real Lucina from Awakening to begin with, but SPECIFICALLY the Smash, "trophy brought to life" version.

The fact the characters in Smash are represented as trophies doesn't mean they are other completely different characters/versions, IMO.

That's like saying the Mario from Mario Kart is not the same as Super Mario's Mario, because he is having fun with Bowser instead of fighting with him, I don't know.

They are videogame characters, creators/directors can do whatever they want with them, in Smash Lucina is a trophy, in other games she isn't, it's not a completely different universe or something like that, just different decisions that make sense considering the videogame.

That's practically confirmed with all the Smash references in different "canon" (God, I hate that word) games, like the Smash ability in Kirby, the KI conversations and all that.

That's my opinion XD

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I have a question for you guys who like to speculate. I might sound stupid.

Do you ever feel happy trying to "win" a Smash speculation argument?

Sometimes, I feel Smash arguments is the only "food" you guys have to survive life.

If you mean end up right, then that only depends on what we were speculating. For example, I speculated Chrom wouldn't be playable in Smash and I felt really happy, not because I was right, but because I don't like Chrom. Anyone who tries to be right needs a kick to the shins as that goes against speculation
Nah, the only food I have is trolling the foolish and abusing the power of dark humour